And it sounds like they're trying out Nat1's giving Inspo instead of Nat20's, yes!
Learning from failure?
Also sounds like Bard is being covered early, which makes sense. Level 20 abilities coming to level 18 to make way for Epic boons at 20... needs more clarification on how that works with regards to multi-class characters and Epic boons.
Also group features. So they mentioned Expert (obviously), Priest and Mage, wonder what the 4th group will be. Sounds kind of like a return to roles, hopefully they aren't restricted like that but will have to see.
Also group features. So they mentioned Expert (obviously), Priest and Mage, wonder what the 4th group will be. Sounds kind of like a return to roles, hopefully they aren't restricted like that but will have to see.
Did they say Priest and Mage? I only caught Expert and Warrior.
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With the ranger Rogue and bard being in a group together ( also mentions atrificer will be in this group though it will not be in this playtest package ) in a way goes back to older editions.
in AdnD 2nd Warriors included fighters paladins and rangers. Wizards included mages and school specialists priests covered clerics and druids. Thieves covered rogues and bards.
Also group features. So they mentioned Expert (obviously), Priest and Mage, wonder what the 4th group will be. Sounds kind of like a return to roles, hopefully they aren't restricted like that but will have to see.
Did they say Priest and Mage? I only caught Expert and Warrior.
It's mentioned at 14:00 in the video, I missed warrior group at that point. Talking about things the expert classes will get, Jermey said, "They will get things from the warrior group, the mage group & the priest group".
Hm!! So, the pdf comes with Arcane, Divine and Primal spells up to level 9. No mention of a bard spell list. HM!!!!! It seems I have more fuel for my so called "baseless fearmongering" now! Muhahahahhahahahahhahaa!!!!!
So, at a guess, we're going to see Fighter, Barbarian and Monk as "Warrior" class, Warlock, Wizard, Sorcerer as "Mage" class, Paladin, Cleric and Druid as Priest class to go along with our four Expert classes....
Hm!! So, the pdf comes with Arcane, Divine and Primal spells up to level 9. No mention of a bard spell list. HM!!!!! It seems I have more fuel for my so called "baseless fearmongering" now! Muhahahahhahahahahhahaa!!!!!
But we are getting Bard since it's one of the three expert classes, so that might still be answered. Might be an end to baseless fearmongering XD
Hm!! So, the pdf comes with Arcane, Divine and Primal spells up to level 9. No mention of a bard spell list. HM!!!!! It seems I have more fuel for my so called "baseless fearmongering" now! Muhahahahhahahahahhahaa!!!!!
I guess we'll know tomorrow, but I'm assuming, based on what we saw in the old document and on what Crawford said in the interview, that the class spell lists are gone. Which is not to say that Bards won't have access to healing spells, but that they will have a feature that lets them grab spells from the divine and primal lists on a somewhat limited basis. Or, maybe, they get Arcane as the base spell list, and then they have an expanded set of spells available to Bards at each level. Something like that.
I guess we'll know tomorrow, but I'm assuming, based on what we saw in the old document and on what Crawford said in the interview, that the class spell lists are gone. Which is not to say that Bards won't have access to healing spells, but that they will have a feature that lets them grab spells from the divine and primal lists on a somewhat limited basis. Or, maybe, they get Arcane as the base spell list, and then they have an expanded set of spells available to Bards at each level. Something like that.
That's not the way I took the video at all. He specifically mentions that each class will still have their own spells above the Arcane/Divine/Primal lists.
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Canto alla vita alla sua bellezza ad ogni sua ferita ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
Also group features. So they mentioned Expert (obviously), Priest and Mage, wonder what the 4th group will be. Sounds kind of like a return to roles, hopefully they aren't restricted like that but will have to see.
Did they say Priest and Mage? I only caught Expert and Warrior.
It's mentioned at 14:00 in the video, I missed warrior group at that point. Talking about things the expert classes will get, Jermey said, "They will get things from the warrior group, the mage group & the priest group".
My guess is:
Priest: Cleric, Druid, Paladin
Mage: Wizard, Sorcerer, Warlock
Warrior: Fighter, Barbarian Monk
those are just guesses tho.
seems reasonable Paladin might be a edge case you should put them in Priest or warriors.
If you put them in priests that would give them access to priest feats meaning probably boosting spellcasting. While if they are put in the warrior groups warrior feats would probably give them more of a combat focus.
Prediction : Paladins will have a ability like the following ( going with your suggestion that they are in the Priest group for this example) Martial versatility: you also qualify for warrior feats that have a level requirement of half your level or lower.
Also, Jeremy Crawford, my guy. That Epic Boon at 20th level thing sounds great and all, and moving the capstones to 18th level sounds cool and everything, but I would like to know if this new edition will actually provide more support for high-level play. Something to motivate people to not just stop at 10th to 15th level, or provide more guidance on how to get that far without real life getting in the way.
Now if only the document were available.
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
And it sounds like they're trying out Nat1's giving Inspo instead of Nat20's, yes!
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
Learning from failure?
Also sounds like Bard is being covered early, which makes sense. Level 20 abilities coming to level 18 to make way for Epic boons at 20... needs more clarification on how that works with regards to multi-class characters and Epic boons.
Also group features. So they mentioned Expert (obviously), Priest and Mage, wonder what the 4th group will be. Sounds kind of like a return to roles, hopefully they aren't restricted like that but will have to see.
Did they say Priest and Mage? I only caught Expert and Warrior.
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
It's mentioned at 14:00 in the video, I missed warrior group at that point. Talking about things the expert classes will get, Jermey said, "They will get things from the warrior group, the mage group & the priest group".
My guess is:
Priest: Cleric, Druid, Paladin
Mage: Wizard, Sorcerer, Warlock
Warrior: Fighter, Barbarian Monk
those are just guesses tho.
Hm!! So, the pdf comes with Arcane, Divine and Primal spells up to level 9. No mention of a bard spell list. HM!!!!! It seems I have more fuel for my so called "baseless fearmongering" now! Muhahahahhahahahahhahaa!!!!!
So, at a guess, we're going to see Fighter, Barbarian and Monk as "Warrior" class, Warlock, Wizard, Sorcerer as "Mage" class, Paladin, Cleric and Druid as Priest class to go along with our four Expert classes....
The document is coming tomorrow, Sep 29.
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
But we are getting Bard since it's one of the three expert classes, so that might still be answered. Might be an end to baseless fearmongering XD
I guess we'll know tomorrow, but I'm assuming, based on what we saw in the old document and on what Crawford said in the interview, that the class spell lists are gone. Which is not to say that Bards won't have access to healing spells, but that they will have a feature that lets them grab spells from the divine and primal lists on a somewhat limited basis. Or, maybe, they get Arcane as the base spell list, and then they have an expanded set of spells available to Bards at each level. Something like that.
Hope this means more ASIs for monks...
RIP artificer. Neglected in 5e, and now getting nuked for 6e release.
We're not going to have a single arcane half caster.
They mention that the Artificer does count as an Expert, sooooo.....maybe we'll see it get a re-release down the road?
And they did mention in the first UA that Artificer is an "arcane" caster, so it's not like they just forgot about it.
Artificer is not a PHB class.
Looking at 5e we'll be waiting till 2030 or so.
I know. I'm saying I don't think we'll never get it again in the new edition. We just won't get it immediately like we would like to.
That's not the way I took the video at all. He specifically mentions that each class will still have their own spells above the Arcane/Divine/Primal lists.
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
seems reasonable Paladin might be a edge case you should put them in Priest or warriors.
If you put them in priests that would give them access to priest feats meaning probably boosting spellcasting.
While if they are put in the warrior groups warrior feats would probably give them more of a combat focus.
Prediction : Paladins will have a ability like the following ( going with your suggestion that they are in the Priest group for this example)
Martial versatility: you also qualify for warrior feats that have a level requirement of half your level or lower.
Also, Jeremy Crawford, my guy. That Epic Boon at 20th level thing sounds great and all, and moving the capstones to 18th level sounds cool and everything, but I would like to know if this new edition will actually provide more support for high-level play. Something to motivate people to not just stop at 10th to 15th level, or provide more guidance on how to get that far without real life getting in the way.
What have you been fear mongering about ?
I seem to have missed it.
The video does mention Bards have access to the arcane list and possibly all 3 lists with magical secrets.