Monk's [...] don't really have the choice to lean more into martial arts vs. mysticism,
Sort of highjacking that statement to say: I've long wanted to see a 1/3 caster subclass for the Monk that explores the magical side of Monk mysticism. I've added that in a recent repl to my thread about Martial Actions (some subclasses I left out of the initial post because they're "other missing subclasses" and not really about Martial Actions).
speaking of hijacking and mysticism, i'm sitting here flipping through the old 'ad&d complete guide to ninjas handbook,' and came across the following spells you might find interesting or not, depending on how closely you connect ninjas and monks...
Face Blur (illusion, 1st-level) ... alters target's features slightly to make them unremarkable and causing inattentive gazes to slide off.
False Tracks (illusion, 1st) ... target self, leave tracks appropriate to a common animal (pick: herd beast, deer, fox, etc.)
Find Direction (divination, 1st) ... find true north by doing 'kuji-kiri finger exercises'
Lesser Distraction (illusion, 1st) ... cause target to either notice a faint noise or notice a glimpse of movement. if they fail save, caster picks direction target will think it came from.
Deepen Shadows (illusion, 2nd) ... gradually darkens the caster's room to the point just before looking suspicious
Featherfoot (alteration, 2nd) ... bonus to stealth while moving at walking pace. can reverse it, target of leadfoot spell moves heavily, loudly
Age to Destruction (alteration/necromancy, 3rd) ... cause nonliving material to age 100yrs internally but with little change outside, used for sabotage
Detect the Living (divination, 3rd) ... much like detect undead, but for live guys behind paper doors and false walls, apparently
Greater Distraction (illusion, 3rd) ... give target an itch, a feeling of grubby hands, or 'need to answer nature's call.'
Improved Featherfoot (alteration, 4th) ... water walk (but beware that your feet got wet and will leave tracks!)
Improved Mirror Image (illusion/phantasm, 4th) ... basically mirror image spell, but the images can move up to 30ft away still facing target or enemy and all appear to be doing different actions to what you're attempting. if they get close enough to attack target, they appear to miss each time until struck or spell ends
Shadow-Form (illusion/phantasm, 5th) ... become naked. wait, there's more: a duplicate transparent shadow-you is now wearing all your stuff. it looks, acts, and fights like you but can't cast spells. also you can see through its eyes and your eyes at the same time. it can act without control, but you may chose to control it at any time (if you're not moving or acting). if it is struck in combat or dispelled, then all those great clothes you had fall to the ground with some sticks and leaves stuffed in the middle.
Sense Treason (divination, 6th) ... know if your clan deliberately betrayed you (but not who, how, or why). does not react to exiles, outcasts, or persons you assume are dead.
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Id totally be down for them to get some dragon ball power. they have been weak for so long let them be a bit stronger ,dw fighter and wizard will still be king. but you know it would be sick if they got viable ki blasts did good dpr and could do stuff like blind on a reaction or something like that
Id totally be down for them to get some dragon ball power. they have been weak for so long let them be a bit stronger ,dw fighter and wizard will still be king. but you know it would be sick if they got viable ki blasts did good dpr and could do stuff like blind on a reaction or something like that
it would be interesting to see a workable mechanism whereby the character begins glowing and shouting in the middle of a localized gust of wind, every round gaining a bigger MA die. at max for their level they emerge into a calm moment with Haste and a free single-use of Misty Step to join battle.
...if the fight isn't already long over.
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Id totally be down for them to get some dragon ball power. they have been weak for so long let them be a bit stronger ,dw fighter and wizard will still be king. but you know it would be sick if they got viable ki blasts did good dpr and could do stuff like blind on a reaction or something like that
it would be interesting to see a workable mechanism whereby the character begins glowing and shouting in the middle of a localized gust of wind, every round gaining a bigger MA die. at max for their level they emerge into a calm moment with Haste and a free single-use of Misty Step to join battle.
...if the fight isn't already long over.
Don’t forget that 5 minutes in DBZ can take 5 episodes, so over 100 mins. So all that yelling for a minute in the anime could actually only be 3 seconds or less. I wouldn’t want actual DBZ monks in the game. Something close to it in the in the game is Sun Soul Monk. They dropped the ball on the range of the radiant bolts, it should have been 60ft. The power of the 11th level feature needs to scale and let you spend more ki as you level. Maybe allowing you to spend up proficiency bonus Ki on it would make it better. Sun Shield should also add 1d4 radiant damage to all your attacks. Once that’s done it’s a good proxy for a Dragon Ball.
Id totally be down for them to get some dragon ball power. they have been weak for so long let them be a bit stronger ,dw fighter and wizard will still be king. but you know it would be sick if they got viable ki blasts did good dpr and could do stuff like blind on a reaction or something like that
it would be interesting to see a workable mechanism whereby the character begins glowing and shouting in the middle of a localized gust of wind, every round gaining a bigger MA die. at max for their level they emerge into a calm moment with Haste and a free single-use of Misty Step to join battle.
...if the fight isn't already long over.
Don’t forget that 5 minutes in DBZ can take 5 episodes, so over 100 mins. So all that yelling for a minute in the anime could actually only be 3 seconds or less. I wouldn’t want actual DBZ monks in the game. Something close to it in the in the game is Sun Soul Monk. They dropped the ball on the range of the radiant bolts, it should have been 60ft. The power of the 11th level feature needs to scale and let you spend more ki as you level. Maybe allowing you to spend up proficiency bonus Ki on it would make it better. Sun Shield should also add 1d4 radiant damage to all your attacks. Once that’s done it’s a good proxy for a Dragon Ball.
you don't have to play them, and I didn't say it shouldn't be balanced . just reeks of weird fun police attitude. db for example took ideas from journey to the west and superman . nothing wrong with getting inspiration to add more flavor . also sun soul sucked . i would agree if it actually had a little power but man that thing was a dud.
I'm curious why I'm not seeing Nets appear in more theory crafting. It is possible to make an effective Net throwing Monk. Granted, it is a bit off theme. For reflavoring, can anyone suggest another item that is more Monkish but works the same as a Net?
A Monks attacks can all be bludgeoning, which the Net is immune to. So there is not a risk of accidentally damaging your own Net. The Net's DC=8+PB+DEX uses DEX, so the Monk can be a bit less MAD. The Restrained condition is more significant than the Prone condition. The downsides are teammates unintentionally destroying your Nets and losing the damage from that Attack.
For building take Magic Initiate for the Mending Spell and take half a dozen Nets as equipment. As an Attack Action, throw a Net (or 2 with Extra Attack). Then use Bonus Action Unarmed Strike or Flurry of Blows with Advantage. Then retreat, taking an Opportunity Attack at Disadvantage. The target has to waste either an Action or an Attack to get out of the Net.
Id totally be down for them to get some dragon ball power. they have been weak for so long let them be a bit stronger ,dw fighter and wizard will still be king. but you know it would be sick if they got viable ki blasts did good dpr and could do stuff like blind on a reaction or something like that
it would be interesting to see a workable mechanism whereby the character begins glowing and shouting in the middle of a localized gust of wind, every round gaining a bigger MA die. at max for their level they emerge into a calm moment with Haste and a free single-use of Misty Step to join battle.
...if the fight isn't already long over.
Don’t forget that 5 minutes in DBZ can take 5 episodes, so over 100 mins. So all that yelling for a minute in the anime could actually only be 3 seconds or less. I wouldn’t want actual DBZ monks in the game. Something close to it in the in the game is Sun Soul Monk. They dropped the ball on the range of the radiant bolts, it should have been 60ft. The power of the 11th level feature needs to scale and let you spend more ki as you level. Maybe allowing you to spend up proficiency bonus Ki on it would make it better. Sun Shield should also add 1d4 radiant damage to all your attacks. Once that’s done it’s a good proxy for a Dragon Ball.
you don't have to play them, and I didn't say it shouldn't be balanced . just reeks of weird fun police attitude. db for example took ideas from journey to the west and superman . nothing wrong with getting inspiration to add more flavor . also sun soul sucked . i would agree if it actually had a little power but man that thing was a dud.
It’s not fun police, it’s theme and tone police, the moment Goku shows up we aren’t playing a Medieval Fantasy Game anymore. Also sun soul does suck but is inspired by DBZ, but scaled to fit the tone and them of the game.
Id totally be down for them to get some dragon ball power. they have been weak for so long let them be a bit stronger ,dw fighter and wizard will still be king. but you know it would be sick if they got viable ki blasts did good dpr and could do stuff like blind on a reaction or something like that
it would be interesting to see a workable mechanism whereby the character begins glowing and shouting in the middle of a localized gust of wind, every round gaining a bigger MA die. at max for their level they emerge into a calm moment with Haste and a free single-use of Misty Step to join battle.
...if the fight isn't already long over.
Don’t forget that 5 minutes in DBZ can take 5 episodes, so over 100 mins. So all that yelling for a minute in the anime could actually only be 3 seconds or less. I wouldn’t want actual DBZ monks in the game. Something close to it in the in the game is Sun Soul Monk. They dropped the ball on the range of the radiant bolts, it should have been 60ft. The power of the 11th level feature needs to scale and let you spend more ki as you level. Maybe allowing you to spend up proficiency bonus Ki on it would make it better. Sun Shield should also add 1d4 radiant damage to all your attacks. Once that’s done it’s a good proxy for a Dragon Ball.
you don't have to play them, and I didn't say it shouldn't be balanced . just reeks of weird fun police attitude. db for example took ideas from journey to the west and superman . nothing wrong with getting inspiration to add more flavor . also sun soul sucked . i would agree if it actually had a little power but man that thing was a dud.
It’s not fun police, it’s theme and tone police, the moment Goku shows up we aren’t playing a Medieval Fantasy Game anymore. Also sun soul does suck but is inspired by DBZ, but scaled to fit the tone and them of the game.
Ok I get it . you just don't understand how fantasy works . I'm not saying literal dragon ball, I'm saying they could use it as better source of inspiration to draw from in a land of make beleive. I will always side with the system that gives more options . you should stick to old 5e if that is the case since new subclass might step on your tone censoring. I detest that mind set, it lacks imagination and wants to control others . I'm sorry I like people to have varying fantasy options .
And most of us like varying fantasy options that don't include literally blowing up the world.
They understand fantasy just fine, and they're right that tone absolutely matters. Dragon Ball Z being a terrible place to draw inspiration from, if you're looking to maintain a cohesive world. It's also wrong to assume an anime from the 1980s is the inspiration for Way of the Sun Soul. Don't believe me? Take a look at the prestige class from 20 years ago. And at the Radiant Fist Paragon Path from 4E. What do they even have in common?
You can still have varying fantasy options while working within constraints. Believe it or not, constraints can actually lead to more creativity. People can be overwhelmed by the idea of limitless possibility, so putting a damper on that can be rather productive.
Id totally be down for them to get some dragon ball power. they have been weak for so long let them be a bit stronger ,dw fighter and wizard will still be king. but you know it would be sick if they got viable ki blasts did good dpr and could do stuff like blind on a reaction or something like that
it would be interesting to see a workable mechanism whereby the character begins glowing and shouting in the middle of a localized gust of wind, every round gaining a bigger MA die. at max for their level they emerge into a calm moment with Haste and a free single-use of Misty Step to join battle.
...if the fight isn't already long over.
Don’t forget that 5 minutes in DBZ can take 5 episodes, so over 100 mins. So all that yelling for a minute in the anime could actually only be 3 seconds or less. I wouldn’t want actual DBZ monks in the game. Something close to it in the in the game is Sun Soul Monk. They dropped the ball on the range of the radiant bolts, it should have been 60ft. The power of the 11th level feature needs to scale and let you spend more ki as you level. Maybe allowing you to spend up proficiency bonus Ki on it would make it better. Sun Shield should also add 1d4 radiant damage to all your attacks. Once that’s done it’s a good proxy for a Dragon Ball.
you don't have to play them, and I didn't say it shouldn't be balanced . just reeks of weird fun police attitude. db for example took ideas from journey to the west and superman . nothing wrong with getting inspiration to add more flavor . also sun soul sucked . i would agree if it actually had a little power but man that thing was a dud.
It’s not fun police, it’s theme and tone police, the moment Goku shows up we aren’t playing a Medieval Fantasy Game anymore. Also sun soul does suck but is inspired by DBZ, but scaled to fit the tone and them of the game.
Ok I get it . you just don't understand how fantasy works . I'm not saying literal dragon ball, I'm saying they could use it as better source of inspiration to draw from in a land of make beleive. I will always side with the system that gives more options . you should stick to old 5e if that is the case since new subclass might step on your tone censoring. I detest that mind set, it lacks imagination and wants to control others . I'm sorry I like people to have varying fantasy options .
And most of us like varying fantasy options that don't include literally blowing up the world.
They understand fantasy just fine, and they're right that tone absolutely matters. Dragon Ball Z being a terrible place to draw inspiration from, if you're looking to maintain a cohesive world. It's also wrong to assume an anime from the 1980s is the inspiration for Way of the Sun Soul. Don't believe me? Take a look at the prestige class from 20 years ago. And at the Radiant Fist Paragon Path from 4E. What do they even have in common?
You can still have varying fantasy options while working within constraints. Believe it or not, constraints can actually lead to more creativity. People can be overwhelmed by the idea of limitless possibility, so putting a damper on that can be rather productive.
did I say blow up the world? no I did not . way to write your own narrative.
weirdly constrictive and against freedom of choice .
"Dragon Ball Z being a terrible place to draw inspiration from" I can disregard your opinion from here .
your lack of imagination and rigidity in thinking is surprising. I also didn't say it was the only one, there are many cool influences . its ok to admit you just cant imagine the way different influences could be attributed to conserve your view of what dnd is, rather then pretend to know better.
"You can still have varying fantasy options while working within constraints. Believe it or not, constraints can actually lead to more creativity. People can be overwhelmed by the idea of limitless possibility, so putting a damper on that can be rather productive.' you really should take your own advice.
Id totally be down for them to get some dragon ball power. they have been weak for so long let them be a bit stronger ,dw fighter and wizard will still be king. but you know it would be sick if they got viable ki blasts did good dpr and could do stuff like blind on a reaction or something like that
it would be interesting to see a workable mechanism whereby the character begins glowing and shouting in the middle of a localized gust of wind, every round gaining a bigger MA die. at max for their level they emerge into a calm moment with Haste and a free single-use of Misty Step to join battle.
...if the fight isn't already long over.
Don’t forget that 5 minutes in DBZ can take 5 episodes, so over 100 mins. So all that yelling for a minute in the anime could actually only be 3 seconds or less. I wouldn’t want actual DBZ monks in the game. Something close to it in the in the game is Sun Soul Monk. They dropped the ball on the range of the radiant bolts, it should have been 60ft. The power of the 11th level feature needs to scale and let you spend more ki as you level. Maybe allowing you to spend up proficiency bonus Ki on it would make it better. Sun Shield should also add 1d4 radiant damage to all your attacks. Once that’s done it’s a good proxy for a Dragon Ball.
you don't have to play them, and I didn't say it shouldn't be balanced . just reeks of weird fun police attitude. db for example took ideas from journey to the west and superman . nothing wrong with getting inspiration to add more flavor . also sun soul sucked . i would agree if it actually had a little power but man that thing was a dud.
It’s not fun police, it’s theme and tone police, the moment Goku shows up we aren’t playing a Medieval Fantasy Game anymore. Also sun soul does suck but is inspired by DBZ, but scaled to fit the tone and them of the game.
Ok I get it . you just don't understand how fantasy works . I'm not saying literal dragon ball, I'm saying they could use it as better source of inspiration to draw from in a land of make beleive. I will always side with the system that gives more options . you should stick to old 5e if that is the case since new subclass might step on your tone censoring. I detest that mind set, it lacks imagination and wants to control others . I'm sorry I like people to have varying fantasy options .
A game is a system of rules and limits, there has to be some control. Without it we are just standing around telling each other stories that don’t even match up in tone or theme. If you want to have Goku next to your medieval knight that’s cool for your story, but it will literally break the game. Also I like people having varying fantasy options as well. FATE handles superheroes pretty well and there are other systems that can handle DBZ characters. Honestly DnD system can handle it if you change the setting and a play with the numbers a bit.
A game is a system of rules and limits, there has to be some control. Without it we are just standing around telling each other stories that don’t even match up in tone or theme. If you want to have Goku next to your medieval knight that’s cool for your story, but it will literally break the game.
The moment you have a wizard next to your medieval knight you've broken the game. If you're going to have wizards killing people with giant rocks from heaven you're no longer in the scope of a 'medieval knight', you're in the scope of Heracles redirecting major rivers to clean the Augean Stables.
Id totally be down for them to get some dragon ball power. they have been weak for so long let them be a bit stronger ,dw fighter and wizard will still be king. but you know it would be sick if they got viable ki blasts did good dpr and could do stuff like blind on a reaction or something like that
it would be interesting to see a workable mechanism whereby the character begins glowing and shouting in the middle of a localized gust of wind, every round gaining a bigger MA die. at max for their level they emerge into a calm moment with Haste and a free single-use of Misty Step to join battle.
...if the fight isn't already long over.
Don’t forget that 5 minutes in DBZ can take 5 episodes, so over 100 mins. So all that yelling for a minute in the anime could actually only be 3 seconds or less. I wouldn’t want actual DBZ monks in the game. Something close to it in the in the game is Sun Soul Monk. They dropped the ball on the range of the radiant bolts, it should have been 60ft. The power of the 11th level feature needs to scale and let you spend more ki as you level. Maybe allowing you to spend up proficiency bonus Ki on it would make it better. Sun Shield should also add 1d4 radiant damage to all your attacks. Once that’s done it’s a good proxy for a Dragon Ball.
you don't have to play them, and I didn't say it shouldn't be balanced . just reeks of weird fun police attitude. db for example took ideas from journey to the west and superman . nothing wrong with getting inspiration to add more flavor . also sun soul sucked . i would agree if it actually had a little power but man that thing was a dud.
It’s not fun police, it’s theme and tone police, the moment Goku shows up we aren’t playing a Medieval Fantasy Game anymore. Also sun soul does suck but is inspired by DBZ, but scaled to fit the tone and them of the game.
Ok I get it . you just don't understand how fantasy works . I'm not saying literal dragon ball, I'm saying they could use it as better source of inspiration to draw from in a land of make beleive. I will always side with the system that gives more options . you should stick to old 5e if that is the case since new subclass might step on your tone censoring. I detest that mind set, it lacks imagination and wants to control others . I'm sorry I like people to have varying fantasy options .
And most of us like varying fantasy options that don't include literally blowing up the world.
They understand fantasy just fine, and they're right that tone absolutely matters. Dragon Ball Z being a terrible place to draw inspiration from, if you're looking to maintain a cohesive world. It's also wrong to assume an anime from the 1980s is the inspiration for Way of the Sun Soul. Don't believe me? Take a look at the prestige class from 20 years ago. And at the Radiant Fist Paragon Path from 4E. What do they even have in common?
You can still have varying fantasy options while working within constraints. Believe it or not, constraints can actually lead to more creativity. People can be overwhelmed by the idea of limitless possibility, so putting a damper on that can be rather productive.
did I say blow up the world? no I did not . way to write your own narrative.
weirdly constrictive and against freedom of choice .
"Dragon Ball Z being a terrible place to draw inspiration from" I can disregard your opinion from here .
your lack of imagination and rigidity in thinking is surprising. I also didn't say it was the only one, there are many cool influences . its ok to admit you just cant imagine the way different influences could be attributed to conserve your view of what dnd is, rather then pretend to know better.
"You can still have varying fantasy options while working within constraints. Believe it or not, constraints can actually lead to more creativity. People can be overwhelmed by the idea of limitless possibility, so putting a damper on that can be rather productive.' you really should take your own advice.
I'm not writing my own narrative. In the manga and anime adaptation, they literally blow up multiple planets. Earth, believe it or not, is one of them. Even at the low end, the first Kame-Hame-Ha completely levels Mount Frying Pan. That happens in episode 8 of Dragon Ball. And the moon has been repeatedly destroyed.
So, if you're going to invoke something, know what you're invoking.
I won't speak for you, but we don't want Dragon Ball Z because the scale it operates at is insane; in no small part because its destructive capabilities dwarf the most powerful of full spellcasters. If you want to draw from anime as an inspiration, there's so many much more out there that doesn't include world-breaking. With that in mind, some good places to start would be Afro Samurai, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, and Street Fighter.
I don't lack imagination, and you don't need to resort to baseless insults. I want a consistent world, which is something I would think most players want.
I applaud your brainstorming. You threw something at the wall. It just didn't stick.
A game is a system of rules and limits, there has to be some control. Without it we are just standing around telling each other stories that don’t even match up in tone or theme. If you want to have Goku next to your medieval knight that’s cool for your story, but it will literally break the game.
The moment you have a wizard next to your medieval knight you've broken the game. If you're going to have wizards killing people with giant rocks from heaven you're no longer in the scope of a 'medieval knight', you're in the scope of Heracles redirecting major rivers to clean the Augean Stables.
Spellcasters are already demigods, you either have to gut spellcasting or elevate everyone else.
Gut spellcasting. Nobody plays at demi-god levels anyways, so bring everyone down to a reasonable power level and maybe, just maybe, DMs will run games up to those levels.
A game is a system of rules and limits, there has to be some control. Without it we are just standing around telling each other stories that don’t even match up in tone or theme. If you want to have Goku next to your medieval knight that’s cool for your story, but it will literally break the game.
The moment you have a wizard next to your medieval knight you've broken the game. If you're going to have wizards killing people with giant rocks from heaven you're no longer in the scope of a 'medieval knight', you're in the scope of Heracles redirecting major rivers to clean the Augean Stables.
So Merlin and King Author aren’t from the same fantasy setting? I just leaned something new.
Spellcasters are already demigods, you either have to gut spellcasting or elevate everyone else.
Gut spellcasting. Nobody plays at demi-god levels anyways, so bring everyone down to a reasonable power level and maybe, just maybe, DMs will run games up to those levels.
Even if you mechanically weaken them the fact is they are still summoning rocks or fire or whatever to hurt people. The idea of the mundane man next to that is silly.
A game is a system of rules and limits, there has to be some control. Without it we are just standing around telling each other stories that don’t even match up in tone or theme. If you want to have Goku next to your medieval knight that’s cool for your story, but it will literally break the game.
The moment you have a wizard next to your medieval knight you've broken the game. If you're going to have wizards killing people with giant rocks from heaven you're no longer in the scope of a 'medieval knight', you're in the scope of Heracles redirecting major rivers to clean the Augean Stables.
So everyone's a demigod?
A fighter can beat a 50 ton armored lizard to death with a stick. They are demi gods, people just seem to get upset when its obvious instead of hidden behind numbers.
A game is a system of rules and limits, there has to be some control. Without it we are just standing around telling each other stories that don’t even match up in tone or theme. If you want to have Goku next to your medieval knight that’s cool for your story, but it will literally break the game.
The moment you have a wizard next to your medieval knight you've broken the game. If you're going to have wizards killing people with giant rocks from heaven you're no longer in the scope of a 'medieval knight', you're in the scope of Heracles redirecting major rivers to clean the Augean Stables.
So everyone's a demigod?
A fighter can beat a 50 ton armored lizard to death with a stick. They are demi gods, people just seem to get upset when its obvious instead of hidden behind numbers.
when he was little goku fought dinosaurs with a staff or bare handed, so this all tracks and circles cleanly back to monk. nice.
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speaking of hijacking and mysticism, i'm sitting here flipping through the old 'ad&d complete guide to ninjas handbook,' and came across the following spells you might find interesting or not, depending on how closely you connect ninjas and monks...
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Id totally be down for them to get some dragon ball power. they have been weak for so long let them be a bit stronger ,dw fighter and wizard will still be king. but you know it would be sick if they got viable ki blasts did good dpr and could do stuff like blind on a reaction or something like that
it would be interesting to see a workable mechanism whereby the character begins glowing and shouting in the middle of a localized gust of wind, every round gaining a bigger MA die. at max for their level they emerge into a calm moment with Haste and a free single-use of Misty Step to join battle.
...if the fight isn't already long over.
unhappy at the way in which we lost individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
tell them you don't like features disappeared quietly in the night: provide feedback!
Don’t forget that 5 minutes in DBZ can take 5 episodes, so over 100 mins. So all that yelling for a minute in the anime could actually only be 3 seconds or less.
I wouldn’t want actual DBZ monks in the game. Something close to it in the in the game is Sun Soul Monk. They dropped the ball on the range of the radiant bolts, it should have been 60ft. The power of the 11th level feature needs to scale and let you spend more ki as you level. Maybe allowing you to spend up proficiency bonus Ki on it would make it better. Sun Shield should also add 1d4 radiant damage to all your attacks. Once that’s done it’s a good proxy for a Dragon Ball.
you don't have to play them, and I didn't say it shouldn't be balanced . just reeks of weird fun police attitude. db for example took ideas from journey to the west and superman . nothing wrong with getting inspiration to add more flavor . also sun soul sucked . i would agree if it actually had a little power but man that thing was a dud.
I'm curious why I'm not seeing Nets appear in more theory crafting. It is possible to make an effective Net throwing Monk. Granted, it is a bit off theme. For reflavoring, can anyone suggest another item that is more Monkish but works the same as a Net?
A Monks attacks can all be bludgeoning, which the Net is immune to. So there is not a risk of accidentally damaging your own Net. The Net's DC=8+PB+DEX uses DEX, so the Monk can be a bit less MAD. The Restrained condition is more significant than the Prone condition. The downsides are teammates unintentionally destroying your Nets and losing the damage from that Attack.
For building take Magic Initiate for the Mending Spell and take half a dozen Nets as equipment. As an Attack Action, throw a Net (or 2 with Extra Attack). Then use Bonus Action Unarmed Strike or Flurry of Blows with Advantage. Then retreat, taking an Opportunity Attack at Disadvantage. The target has to waste either an Action or an Attack to get out of the Net.
It’s not fun police, it’s theme and tone police, the moment Goku shows up we aren’t playing a Medieval Fantasy Game anymore. Also sun soul does suck but is inspired by DBZ, but scaled to fit the tone and them of the game.
And most of us like varying fantasy options that don't include literally blowing up the world.
They understand fantasy just fine, and they're right that tone absolutely matters. Dragon Ball Z being a terrible place to draw inspiration from, if you're looking to maintain a cohesive world. It's also wrong to assume an anime from the 1980s is the inspiration for Way of the Sun Soul. Don't believe me? Take a look at the prestige class from 20 years ago. And at the Radiant Fist Paragon Path from 4E. What do they even have in common?
You can still have varying fantasy options while working within constraints. Believe it or not, constraints can actually lead to more creativity. People can be overwhelmed by the idea of limitless possibility, so putting a damper on that can be rather productive.
did I say blow up the world? no I did not . way to write your own narrative.
weirdly constrictive and against freedom of choice .
"Dragon Ball Z being a terrible place to draw inspiration from" I can disregard your opinion from here .
your lack of imagination and rigidity in thinking is surprising. I also didn't say it was the only one, there are many cool influences . its ok to admit you just cant imagine the way different influences could be attributed to conserve your view of what dnd is, rather then pretend to know better.
"You can still have varying fantasy options while working within constraints. Believe it or not, constraints can actually lead to more creativity. People can be overwhelmed by the idea of limitless possibility, so putting a damper on that can be rather productive.' you really should take your own advice.
A game is a system of rules and limits, there has to be some control. Without it we are just standing around telling each other stories that don’t even match up in tone or theme. If you want to have Goku next to your medieval knight that’s cool for your story, but it will literally break the game. Also I like people having varying fantasy options as well. FATE handles superheroes pretty well and there are other systems that can handle DBZ characters. Honestly DnD system can handle it if you change the setting and a play with the numbers a bit.
The moment you have a wizard next to your medieval knight you've broken the game. If you're going to have wizards killing people with giant rocks from heaven you're no longer in the scope of a 'medieval knight', you're in the scope of Heracles redirecting major rivers to clean the Augean Stables.
I'm not writing my own narrative. In the manga and anime adaptation, they literally blow up multiple planets. Earth, believe it or not, is one of them. Even at the low end, the first Kame-Hame-Ha completely levels Mount Frying Pan. That happens in episode 8 of Dragon Ball. And the moon has been repeatedly destroyed.
So, if you're going to invoke something, know what you're invoking.
I won't speak for you, but we don't want Dragon Ball Z because the scale it operates at is insane; in no small part because its destructive capabilities dwarf the most powerful of full spellcasters. If you want to draw from anime as an inspiration, there's so many much more out there that doesn't include world-breaking. With that in mind, some good places to start would be Afro Samurai, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, and Street Fighter.
I don't lack imagination, and you don't need to resort to baseless insults. I want a consistent world, which is something I would think most players want.
I applaud your brainstorming. You threw something at the wall. It just didn't stick.
So everyone's a demigod?
Spellcasters are already demigods, you either have to gut spellcasting or elevate everyone else.
A wizard can time stop and summon rocks from the sky use bale fire ,clone himself .but a ki blast breaks your immersion Lol.
Gut spellcasting. Nobody plays at demi-god levels anyways, so bring everyone down to a reasonable power level and maybe, just maybe, DMs will run games up to those levels.
So Merlin and King Author aren’t from the same fantasy setting? I just leaned something new.
Even if you mechanically weaken them the fact is they are still summoning rocks or fire or whatever to hurt people. The idea of the mundane man next to that is silly.
A fighter can beat a 50 ton armored lizard to death with a stick. They are demi gods, people just seem to get upset when its obvious instead of hidden behind numbers.
when he was little goku fought dinosaurs with a staff or bare handed, so this all tracks and circles cleanly back to monk. nice.
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