I would be pleasantly surprised with new UA of subclasses that arent tied together by some common theme and make it seem like they are working towards another "of everything" book. Although, considering that they have announced something big for 2024, I doubt we will see another entry like that until after that point.
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A thematic expansion based on divine/infernal creatures would also be interesting.
That would be my JAM.
Exploring the realms of the gods, and the creatures & humanoids which dwell there, would be amazing…I’d love for some of my martial characters to train among the einherjar.
Similarly, learning how to navigate a region like the Abyss would be killer…just, the sheer breadth of that endlessly foul realm, where each layer is another kind of nightmare.
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I love new UA, but can we stop getting new Cleric subs. Literally no other class, including Wizards, has as many subs as Cleric does, and they're one of the strongest base classes there is, possibly secondly only to Wizards. They don't need it. Shore up the other classes some, jeez. Especially Arties.
I love new UA, but can we stop getting new Cleric subs. Literally no other class, including Wizards, has as many subs as Cleric does, and they're one of the strongest base classes there is, possibly secondly only to Wizards. They don't need it. Shore up the other classes some, jeez. Especially Arties.
I love this UA but you're right, Clerics have enough subs at the moment compared to other classes.
I love new UA, but can we stop getting new Cleric subs. Literally no other class, including Wizards, has as many subs as Cleric does, and they're one of the strongest base classes there is, possibly secondly only to Wizards. They don't need it. Shore up the other classes some, jeez. Especially Arties.
I love this UA but you're right, Clerics have enough subs at the moment compared to other classes.
Plus, after reading it..."Fate Domain" does nothing to fire me up at all. It could almost be a PHB sub, in that it's sorta the "Clericest Cleric" in a similar way to Life Domain, as well as Thief Rogue or Open Hand Monk...it's the base class' flavor but more. It's considerably weaker than Peace/Twilight and sorta represents a step back for Clerics generally, and leans into divination, which is already a huge part of what Clerics just are, even without subclasses. I'd almost rather see this turned into a Druid or Paladin subclass or something. Clerics don't need more subs, and they need this specific sub even less.
How is there only a single new subclass!?! Especially since the play tested Mystic class and its respective subclasses were scrapped, the variable subclasses from Strixhaven were scrapped, and now Spelljammer won't be including any new subclasses whatsoever. Subclasses are the most substantive aspect of new content, and we've been starved for them for the past few years, subsisting on mere morsels from Theros and Tasha. It definitely feels like Wizards of the Coast has senioritis with respect to Fifth Edition and they're just phoning it in until the Sixth Edition comes out.
How is there only a single new subclass!?! Especially since the play tested Mystic class and its respective subclasses were scrapped, the variable subclasses from Strixhaven were scrapped, and now Spelljammer won't be including any new subclasses whatsoever. Subclasses are the most substantive aspect of new content, and we've been starved for them for the past few years, subsisting on mere morsels from Theros and Tasha. It definitely feels like Wizards of the Coast has senioritis with respect to Fifth Edition and they're just phoning it in until the Sixth Edition comes out.
There's three subclasses (Barbarian, Druid, and Wizard) in the Giant UA, and a Sorc (lunar somethingorother) in the Dragonlance one. I don't exactly think we're starved for them. Plus, you seem to have completely forgotten the two from Van Richten and the two from Fizban. There's been a pretty steady drip.
I love new UA, but can we stop getting new Cleric subs. Literally no other class, including Wizards, has as many subs as Cleric does, and they're one of the strongest base classes there is, possibly secondly only to Wizards. They don't need it. Shore up the other classes some, jeez. Especially Arties.
To be fair, given the general planar theme, if there is any class that is particularly relevant, Clerics would be one of them. And since Cleric subclasses are based on divine domains which themselves are based on mere concepts, there can be a virtually limitless number of them and it would fit.
I was gone for a week, and a new UA dropped. Nice.
Just took a quick look through.
Yeah, seems like Planescape is confirmed. There's a "not Modron" player race, new Cleric subclass based around fate, the "Planar Gate Warden" and "Planar Philosopher" backrounds, and what look like feat chains for the Planescape Factions. I'm not a fan of the Great Wheel Cosmology (especially 5e's version), but I'm definitely buying whatever book(s) this content is planned for.
The Giant stuff is probably for a different book, hopefully one of the new settings we haven't heard anything about.
Or it could just be another Tasha's-style player options book.
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I was gone for a week, and a new UA dropped. Nice.
Just took a quick look through.
Yeah, seems like Planescape is confirmed. There's a "not Modron" player race, new Cleric subclass based around fate, the "Planar Gate Warden" and "Planar Philosopher" backrounds, and what look like feat chains for the Planescape Factions. I'm not a fan of the Great Wheel Cosmology (especially 5e's version), but I'm definitely buying whatever book(s) this content is planned for.
The Giant stuff is probably for a different book, hopefully one of the new settings we haven't heard anything about.
Or it could just be another Tasha's-style player options book.
I don't want Planescape. Because they'll give each plane a single page and stuff in a whole bestiary and make it like the travesty that Spelljammer is going to be when people realise that WotC couldn't fit any setting information in their overpriced splat-book set.
I don't want Planescape. Because they'll give each plane a single page and stuff in a whole bestiary and make it like the travesty that Spelljammer is going to be when people realise that WotC couldn't fit any setting information in their overpriced splat-book set.
Planescape and Spelljammer are very, very different settings and the approach to updating them both to 5th Edition will be very different.
First off, I really don't care if the Spelljammer book has information on Realmspace or the other "spaces" in the setting. 2e Spelljammer never gave much information on playing in those realms, so 5e Spelljammer ignoring them would be on par with previous edition's versions of the setting. Spelljammer is and always has been the "transitory setting", where you travel from one world to another, and exploring the adventures you can find there. It's never tried to explain the worlds of the multiverse, that's for other setting books to do. Expecting 5e Spelljammer to do that is expecting too much of it. All a Spelljammer book needs to do is explain the rules for gonzo space adventures and give some examples, not simultaneously also be the campaign setting book for 20+ different planets that have never been covered in the history of D&D before.
Secondly, Planescape usually focused on Sigil and its factions more than it did on the Outer Planes. Sure, a 5e Planescape does need to give some advice on how to do adventures in the various planes of the Great Wheel, which it will do, but it will probably be something more akin to Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft than Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus. (Also, it's way easier and more fun to run an adventure with the factions of Sigil or in the slums of Sigil than it is on the paradise of Mount Celestia or in boring greyness of Hades.)
Third, the Spelljammer bookset really isn't overpriced. It includes a DM screen (which is normally at least $10 on its own), and inflation over the past 8ish years has driven the price required to print a book up a lot. Increases in prices are expected. Blame inflation, not WotC.
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I don't want Planescape. Because they'll give each plane a single page and stuff in a whole bestiary and make it like the travesty that Spelljammer is going to be when people realise that WotC couldn't fit any setting information in their overpriced splat-book set.
Planescape and Spelljammer are very, very different settings and the approach to updating them both to 5th Edition will be very different.
First off, I really don't care if the Spelljammer book has information on Realmspace or the other "spaces" in the setting. 2e Spelljammer never gave much information on playing in those realms, so 5e Spelljammer ignoring them would be on par with previous edition's versions of the setting. Spelljammer is and always has been the "transitory setting", where you travel from one world to another, and exploring the adventures you can find there. It's never tried to explain the worlds of the multiverse, that's for other setting books to do. Expecting 5e Spelljammer to do that is expecting too much of it. All a Spelljammer book needs to do is explain the rules for gonzo space adventures and give some examples, not simultaneously also be the campaign setting book for 20+ different planets that have never been covered in the history of D&D before.
Secondly, Planescape usually focused on Sigil and its factions more than it did on the Outer Planes. Sure, a 5e Planescape does need to give some advice on how to do adventures in the various planes of the Great Wheel, which it will do, but it will probably be something more akin to Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft than Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus. (Also, it's way easier and more fun to run an adventure with the factions of Sigil or in the slums of Sigil than it is on the paradise of Mount Celestia or in boring greyness of Hades.)
Third, the Spelljammer bookset really isn't overpriced. It includes a DM screen (which is normally at least $10 on its own), and inflation over the past 8ish years has driven the price required to print a book up a lot. Increases in prices are expected. Blame inflation, not WotC.
I won't argue too heavily, I'll just say that:
1) Inflation is not relevant as far as I see it, considering similarly sized books are printed for much cheaper even today, 2) I'd be thrilled if it was assembled like VRGtR, I just think Planescape will be assembled like Spelljammer instead, and have terrible formatting as well, 3) You're getting less page content than even TCoE from Spelljammer, and the DM Screen and "three books" are actually just lumped in to make the package look worthwhile, while ramping up the price - it is a known marketing ploy. Its both "Inflation" and "Shrinkflation" at the same time - in other words, its almost a grift.
1) Inflation is not relevant as far as I see it, considering similarly sized books are printed for much cheaper even today
Examples? Because if you mean novels, that's a whole different beast. The only really valid comparisons are other TTRPG books. An official D&D book needs art, official playtesting, months of game design, an entire writing/development team that needs to be paid for over a year of work, and much more that would make it more expensive than a novel.
If you mean a Pathfinder book or something like that, I could see how it would be a valid example, but just bringing up "books" in general is really vague and not a good source of comparison.
2) I'd be thrilled if it was assembled like VRGtR, I just think Planescape will be assembled like Spelljammer instead, and have terrible formatting as well,
How? Why? Based on what evidence? Because even though I do think Planescape being split into 3 different small books is likely, I don't see any reason why they couldn't just make one of the smaller books be the "gazetteers" for the different planes in the setting.
And "terrible formatting" is just unfounded speculation. And if the rest of the book was good, it being formatted poorly or split into 3 smaller books seems like a pretty small complaint.
3) You're getting less page content than even TCoE from Spelljammer, and the DM Screen and "three books" are actually just lumped in to make the package look worthwhile, while ramping up the price - it is a known marketing ploy. Its both "Inflation" and "Shrinkflation" at the same time - in other words, its almost a grift.
Uh, no. It's the same amount of pages as Tasha's Cauldron of Everything. Which has the base price of $50. So, same amount of pages, but also with a double-sided poster map, and a DM screen. The main 5e DM screen has the base price of $15.
So, yes, WotC finally decided after 8 years it was a good time to slightly raise the price of their main 5e D&D products because of inflation and the paper shortage caused by the pandemic. That does seem justifiable.
Now, I don't like having to pay more for the product. If I could continue paying the same amount I was before, I would happily go back to that. But prices everywhere are increasing, WotC haven't increased the price of their books in 8 years, and the bookset also includes a DM screen. WotC does need to keep making money in order to keep making the game, so price increases are inevitable and expected, and it not increasing for almost a decade when average prices have gone up 25% in the past 8 years is pretty abnormal.
It's not a grift (or "almost one") because you know what you're buying, you can get your money back if you're not happy with the delivered product (on Amazon, anyway), and price increases are normal.
I can understand wanting the books to be longer or the book set to just be one single book like Eberron or Ravenloft. I want that too. I would love it if every setting book was as long and high quality as Eberron or Wildemount. But you can vote with your wallet, and, to me, the increased cost and disappointing format is a price I'm willing to pay to get official 5e Spelljammer with its amazing art and options at my table.
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A lot of that is misreading my meanings, but that's my fault.
Per 1) You've got a point.
Per 2) Based on Ray Winninger's statement that they are ALL in formats we have never seen before. And since Dragonlance is an adventure, I think its not one of the three settings, but rather the one they'll revisit.
Per 3) It's a few pages less as each book probably has a credits page - that's 3x the credits pages of Tasha's. But also, if we just ignore the prices going up - the prices of the other D&D books or the Paizo or other RPG books aren't going up much, so its not a fully valid argument - but why should you HAVE to buy a DMs Screen if you don't need one? As per formatting, one word: Strixhaven.
That being said, I am being extremely pessimistic because that's how my brain works. I'm more than happy for you guys to be excited, I'm merely stating how I'm feeling about it all. They're not mutually exclusive.
I don't want Planescape. Because they'll give each plane a single page and stuff in a whole bestiary and make it like the travesty that Spelljammer is going to be when people realise that WotC couldn't fit any setting information in their overpriced splat-book set.
Planescape and Spelljammer are very, very different settings and the approach to updating them both to 5th Edition will be very different.
First off, I really don't care if the Spelljammer book has information on Realmspace or the other "spaces" in the setting. 2e Spelljammer never gave much information on playing in those realms, so 5e Spelljammer ignoring them would be on par with previous edition's versions of the setting. Spelljammer is and always has been the "transitory setting", where you travel from one world to another, and exploring the adventures you can find there. It's never tried to explain the worlds of the multiverse, that's for other setting books to do. Expecting 5e Spelljammer to do that is expecting too much of it. All a Spelljammer book needs to do is explain the rules for gonzo space adventures and give some examples, not simultaneously also be the campaign setting book for 20+ different planets that have never been covered in the history of D&D before.
Secondly, Planescape usually focused on Sigil and its factions more than it did on the Outer Planes. Sure, a 5e Planescape does need to give some advice on how to do adventures in the various planes of the Great Wheel, which it will do, but it will probably be something more akin to Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft than Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus. (Also, it's way easier and more fun to run an adventure with the factions of Sigil or in the slums of Sigil than it is on the paradise of Mount Celestia or in boring greyness of Hades.)
Third, the Spelljammer bookset really isn't overpriced. It includes a DM screen (which is normally at least $10 on its own), and inflation over the past 8ish years has driven the price required to print a book up a lot. Increases in prices are expected. Blame inflation, not WotC.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't 2e release a book for Greyhawk, Krynn and Toril in the first boxed set? Later on they released the Wildspace boxed set if memory serves. And as 5e is afraid to release setting books apart a starter book...
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I would be pleasantly surprised with new UA of subclasses that arent tied together by some common theme and make it seem like they are working towards another "of everything" book. Although, considering that they have announced something big for 2024, I doubt we will see another entry like that until after that point.
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That would be my JAM.
Exploring the realms of the gods, and the creatures & humanoids which dwell there, would be amazing…I’d love for some of my martial characters to train among the einherjar.
Similarly, learning how to navigate a region like the Abyss would be killer…just, the sheer breadth of that endlessly foul realm, where each layer is another kind of nightmare.
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I love new UA, but can we stop getting new Cleric subs. Literally no other class, including Wizards, has as many subs as Cleric does, and they're one of the strongest base classes there is, possibly secondly only to Wizards. They don't need it. Shore up the other classes some, jeez. Especially Arties.
I love this UA but you're right, Clerics have enough subs at the moment compared to other classes.
Plus, after reading it..."Fate Domain" does nothing to fire me up at all. It could almost be a PHB sub, in that it's sorta the "Clericest Cleric" in a similar way to Life Domain, as well as Thief Rogue or Open Hand Monk...it's the base class' flavor but more. It's considerably weaker than Peace/Twilight and sorta represents a step back for Clerics generally, and leans into divination, which is already a huge part of what Clerics just are, even without subclasses. I'd almost rather see this turned into a Druid or Paladin subclass or something. Clerics don't need more subs, and they need this specific sub even less.
Giants! Planescape! Deck of Many Things! Prophecies! Stage magicians! Modrons!
What does it all MEAN!? WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?
Who knows.
But I sure do like planar adventures; so on the whole, consider me excited for whatever is getting cooked up.
How is there only a single new subclass!?! Especially since the play tested Mystic class and its respective subclasses were scrapped, the variable subclasses from Strixhaven were scrapped, and now Spelljammer won't be including any new subclasses whatsoever. Subclasses are the most substantive aspect of new content, and we've been starved for them for the past few years, subsisting on mere morsels from Theros and Tasha. It definitely feels like Wizards of the Coast has senioritis with respect to Fifth Edition and they're just phoning it in until the Sixth Edition comes out.
There's three subclasses (Barbarian, Druid, and Wizard) in the Giant UA, and a Sorc (lunar somethingorother) in the Dragonlance one. I don't exactly think we're starved for them. Plus, you seem to have completely forgotten the two from Van Richten and the two from Fizban. There's been a pretty steady drip.
To be fair, given the general planar theme, if there is any class that is particularly relevant, Clerics would be one of them. And since Cleric subclasses are based on divine domains which themselves are based on mere concepts, there can be a virtually limitless number of them and it would fit.
Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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I was gone for a week, and a new UA dropped. Nice.
Just took a quick look through.
Yeah, seems like Planescape is confirmed. There's a "not Modron" player race, new Cleric subclass based around fate, the "Planar Gate Warden" and "Planar Philosopher" backrounds, and what look like feat chains for the Planescape Factions. I'm not a fan of the Great Wheel Cosmology (especially 5e's version), but I'm definitely buying whatever book(s) this content is planned for.
The Giant stuff is probably for a different book, hopefully one of the new settings we haven't heard anything about.
Or it could just be another Tasha's-style player options book.
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I don't want Planescape. Because they'll give each plane a single page and stuff in a whole bestiary and make it like the travesty that Spelljammer is going to be when people realise that WotC couldn't fit any setting information in their overpriced splat-book set.
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Planescape and Spelljammer are very, very different settings and the approach to updating them both to 5th Edition will be very different.
First off, I really don't care if the Spelljammer book has information on Realmspace or the other "spaces" in the setting. 2e Spelljammer never gave much information on playing in those realms, so 5e Spelljammer ignoring them would be on par with previous edition's versions of the setting. Spelljammer is and always has been the "transitory setting", where you travel from one world to another, and exploring the adventures you can find there. It's never tried to explain the worlds of the multiverse, that's for other setting books to do. Expecting 5e Spelljammer to do that is expecting too much of it. All a Spelljammer book needs to do is explain the rules for gonzo space adventures and give some examples, not simultaneously also be the campaign setting book for 20+ different planets that have never been covered in the history of D&D before.
Secondly, Planescape usually focused on Sigil and its factions more than it did on the Outer Planes. Sure, a 5e Planescape does need to give some advice on how to do adventures in the various planes of the Great Wheel, which it will do, but it will probably be something more akin to Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft than Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus. (Also, it's way easier and more fun to run an adventure with the factions of Sigil or in the slums of Sigil than it is on the paradise of Mount Celestia or in boring greyness of Hades.)
Third, the Spelljammer bookset really isn't overpriced. It includes a DM screen (which is normally at least $10 on its own), and inflation over the past 8ish years has driven the price required to print a book up a lot. Increases in prices are expected. Blame inflation, not WotC.
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I won't argue too heavily, I'll just say that:
1) Inflation is not relevant as far as I see it, considering similarly sized books are printed for much cheaper even today,
2) I'd be thrilled if it was assembled like VRGtR, I just think Planescape will be assembled like Spelljammer instead, and have terrible formatting as well,
3) You're getting less page content than even TCoE from Spelljammer, and the DM Screen and "three books" are actually just lumped in to make the package look worthwhile, while ramping up the price - it is a known marketing ploy. Its both "Inflation" and "Shrinkflation" at the same time - in other words, its almost a grift.
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Examples? Because if you mean novels, that's a whole different beast. The only really valid comparisons are other TTRPG books. An official D&D book needs art, official playtesting, months of game design, an entire writing/development team that needs to be paid for over a year of work, and much more that would make it more expensive than a novel.
If you mean a Pathfinder book or something like that, I could see how it would be a valid example, but just bringing up "books" in general is really vague and not a good source of comparison.
How? Why? Based on what evidence? Because even though I do think Planescape being split into 3 different small books is likely, I don't see any reason why they couldn't just make one of the smaller books be the "gazetteers" for the different planes in the setting.
And "terrible formatting" is just unfounded speculation. And if the rest of the book was good, it being formatted poorly or split into 3 smaller books seems like a pretty small complaint.
Uh, no. It's the same amount of pages as Tasha's Cauldron of Everything. Which has the base price of $50. So, same amount of pages, but also with a double-sided poster map, and a DM screen. The main 5e DM screen has the base price of $15.
So, yes, WotC finally decided after 8 years it was a good time to slightly raise the price of their main 5e D&D products because of inflation and the paper shortage caused by the pandemic. That does seem justifiable.
Now, I don't like having to pay more for the product. If I could continue paying the same amount I was before, I would happily go back to that. But prices everywhere are increasing, WotC haven't increased the price of their books in 8 years, and the bookset also includes a DM screen. WotC does need to keep making money in order to keep making the game, so price increases are inevitable and expected, and it not increasing for almost a decade when average prices have gone up 25% in the past 8 years is pretty abnormal.
It's not a grift (or "almost one") because you know what you're buying, you can get your money back if you're not happy with the delivered product (on Amazon, anyway), and price increases are normal.
I can understand wanting the books to be longer or the book set to just be one single book like Eberron or Ravenloft. I want that too. I would love it if every setting book was as long and high quality as Eberron or Wildemount. But you can vote with your wallet, and, to me, the increased cost and disappointing format is a price I'm willing to pay to get official 5e Spelljammer with its amazing art and options at my table.
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A lot of that is misreading my meanings, but that's my fault.
Per 1) You've got a point.
Per 2) Based on Ray Winninger's statement that they are ALL in formats we have never seen before. And since Dragonlance is an adventure, I think its not one of the three settings, but rather the one they'll revisit.
Per 3) It's a few pages less as each book probably has a credits page - that's 3x the credits pages of Tasha's. But also, if we just ignore the prices going up - the prices of the other D&D books or the Paizo or other RPG books aren't going up much, so its not a fully valid argument - but why should you HAVE to buy a DMs Screen if you don't need one? As per formatting, one word: Strixhaven.
That being said, I am being extremely pessimistic because that's how my brain works. I'm more than happy for you guys to be excited, I'm merely stating how I'm feeling about it all. They're not mutually exclusive.
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They've been teasing Sigil for so long that it would be nice for me to finally see it fleshed out in an official 5e product.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't 2e release a book for Greyhawk, Krynn and Toril in the first boxed set? Later on they released the Wildspace boxed set if memory serves. And as 5e is afraid to release setting books apart a starter book...