So let’s say your a level 11 fighter .... who uses two light weapons.... at level 11 you get 2 extra attacks .... but still only one bonus action.... so you would get a total of 4 attacks (3 actual attacks and 1 bonus action attack)?
how would this work (3 from the right and 1 from the left) or (2 from each) ?
would bring effected by haste give you another attack ?
Does this make 6 attacks in 1 turn possible by level 20 ( without an action surge)
But action surge would only give you 4 more attacks right ? So a total of ten ?
Action surge will only give you 3 more attacks for a total of 7 since you do not gain another bonus action. 8 with Haste. Not sure how you are getting 10 at level 11. At level 20 you do get 10.
total of 4 attacks (3 actual attacks and 1 bonus action attack)? - Yes
(3 from the right and 1 from the left) or (2 from each) ? - 3 from main hand, one from offhand
haste give you another attack ? - Yes
6 attacks in 1 turn possible by level 20 ( without an action surge) - Yes, 4 attacks + 1 hasted attack, +1 Bonus action attack (offhand).
Then you get to action surge :)
There is not really off hand in 5e so any of the attacks can be made with either of the 2 weapons.
You are correct that it isn't labeled "offhand", but it is ambiguous on use in multiple attacks. My experience has been that DM's rule that if you have a sword and dagger equipped one of them is "offhand" and can only attack during the bonus action. Additionally the "offhand" attack doesn't benefit from an ability bonus unless the Two- Weapon Fighting Style is employed. So while not an "offhand", the DM and Player have to be clear on what is acceptable.
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You are correct that it isn't labeled "offhand", but it is ambiguous on use in multiple attacks. My experience has been that DM's rule that if you have a sword and dagger equipped one of them is "offhand" and can only attack during the bonus action. Additionally the "offhand" attack doesn't benefit from an ability bonus unless the Two- Weapon Fighting Style is employed. So while not an "offhand", the DM and Player have to be clear on what is acceptable.
I just went with what JC said on tweeter. He said that it doesn't matter which weapon you use. Only Bonus action attack does not benefit from ability modifier to damage without the two weapon fighting style. Although I am not sure if he considered wildly dissimilar weapons like a battleaxe +3 in one hand (With Dual Wielder feat) and a +1 dagger in the other.
The character build I’m planning will use two whips and have the defensive dualist, dual wielded, sentinel and alert feats (I rolled stats. Really really well for once)
If your DM allows UA I suggest using the Brute subclass. It's bonuses to damage are per attack, and numberwise the single extra attack you'll have will keep up with a greatsword weilding any other subclass of the fighter and even the brute.
I was unaware of it .... I just looked it up and wooooh.... it’s crazy powerful..... a level 20 dual fighting brute would hit with over 100 points of damage a turn .... without needing to action surge lol .... that class will never make it in to the real game it’s awesome but a lil OP
total of 4 attacks (3 actual attacks and 1 bonus action attack)? - Yes
(3 from the right and 1 from the left) or (2 from each) ? - 3 from main hand, one from offhand
haste give you another attack ? - Yes
6 attacks in 1 turn possible by level 20 ( without an action surge) - Yes, 4 attacks + 1 hasted attack, +1 Bonus action attack (offhand).
Then you get to action surge :)
There is not really off hand in 5e so any of the attacks can be made with either of the 2 weapons.
You are correct that it isn't labeled "offhand", but it is ambiguous on use in multiple attacks. My experience has been that DM's rule that if you have a sword and dagger equipped one of them is "offhand" and can only attack during the bonus action. Additionally the "offhand" attack doesn't benefit from an ability bonus unless the Two- Weapon Fighting Style is employed. So while not an "offhand", the DM and Player have to be clear on what is acceptable.
I think the official rules are: you are holding a dagger and a sword; if you want to make your bonus attack with the dagger then at least one of the attacks in your Attack action must use the sword in your other hand. Whether you get your damage modifiers on the bonus attack, plus the allowable size of both weapons, is dependant on fighting styles and feats. Otherwise no other restrictions apply - even the order of the attacks and bonus attack is agnostic by most interpretations. Clearly DMs and players can reach their own agreement on how to implement those rules to their satisfaction, but I feel the above is simple enough.
The character build I’m planning will use two whips and have the defensive dualist, dual wielded, sentinel and alert feats (I rolled stats. Really really well for once)
So you're basically building Omega Red? I like it :)
So let’s say your a level 11 fighter .... who uses two light weapons.... at level 11 you get 2 extra attacks .... but still only one bonus action.... so you would get a total of 4 attacks (3 actual attacks and 1 bonus action attack)?
how would this work (3 from the right and 1 from the left) or (2 from each) ?
would bring effected by haste give you another attack ?
Does this make 6 attacks in 1 turn possible by level 20 ( without an action surge)
As an 11th-level fighter, when you take the Attack action you can make 3 attacks. If you're using Light weapons, then you can also use your Bonus Action to make an attack that does not include your ability mod in the damage(unless you've taken the Two-Weapon Fighting style). Per tweets from JC & possible other Wizards folks, "main" hand vs "off" hand isn't really a thing, you can mix & match, but the "bonus action" attack is the one that doesn't add your Str/Dex to the damage by default. So those 4 total attacks can be made with any combination of the two weapons you're holding. If you are under a Haste spell, you can use your extra Action from Haste to make 1 more attack, either either weapon, and you do add the Str/Dex mod to the damage.
So yes, if you're a Level 20 Fighter under a Haste spell, you get 4 "regular" attacks from the Attack action, one "regular" attack from your extra Haste action, and one "bonus" attack as your Bonus Action. If you decide to Action Surge, you would get an additional 4 "regular" attacks for a total of 10 attacks in one turn. And hopefully if you make to Level 20, you'll have used one of your many ASI/Feat slots to take the Dual-Wielder feat so you aren't limited to Light weapons :)
Just to clarify the rules, the Player's Handbook states:
When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you're holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you're holding in the other hand.
This means that you can't, for example, wield a short sword and dagger, and attack twice with the short sword. If you have the extra attack ability, you could use that to make an attack with the sword, then an attack with your dagger (or fist, or whatever) and then could use the bonus action to make another attack with the sword.
Just to clarify the rules, the Player's Handbook states:
When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you're holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you're holding in the other hand.
This means that you can't, for example, wield a short sword and dagger, and attack twice with the short sword. If you have the extra attack ability, you could use that to make an attack with the sword, then an attack with your dagger (or fist, or whatever) and then could use the bonus action to make another attack with the sword.
So let’s say your a level 11 fighter .... who uses two light weapons.... at level 11 you get 2 extra attacks .... but still only one bonus action.... so you would get a total of 4 attacks (3 actual attacks and 1 bonus action attack)?
how would this work (3 from the right and 1 from the left) or (2 from each) ?
would bring effected by haste give you another attack ?
Does this make 6 attacks in 1 turn possible by level 20 ( without an action surge)
total of 4 attacks (3 actual attacks and 1 bonus action attack)? - Yes
(3 from the right and 1 from the left) or (2 from each) ? - 3 from main hand, one from offhand
haste give you another attack ? - Yes
6 attacks in 1 turn possible by level 20 ( without an action surge) - Yes, 4 attacks + 1 hasted attack, +1 Bonus action attack (offhand).
Then you get to action surge :)
Perpetually annoyed that Eldritch Knights can't use Eldritch Blast, Eldritch Smite, and Eldritch Sight.
But action surge would only give you 4 more attacks right ? So a total of ten ?
What archetype do you think best supports two weapon fighter ?
Action surge will only give you 3 more attacks for a total of 7 since you do not gain another bonus action. 8 with Haste. Not sure how you are getting 10 at level 11. At level 20 you do get 10.
I was assuming level 20 4 attacks 1 bonus attack 1 haste attack 4 attacks .... making 10 the theoretical max attacks to a level 20 fighter
Perpetually annoyed that Eldritch Knights can't use Eldritch Blast, Eldritch Smite, and Eldritch Sight.
The character build I’m planning will use two whips and have the defensive dualist, dual wielded, sentinel and alert feats (I rolled stats. Really really well for once)
If your DM allows UA I suggest using the Brute subclass. It's bonuses to damage are per attack, and numberwise the single extra attack you'll have will keep up with a greatsword weilding any other subclass of the fighter and even the brute.
I was unaware of it .... I just looked it up and wooooh.... it’s crazy powerful..... a level 20 dual fighting brute would hit with over 100 points of damage a turn .... without needing to action surge lol .... that class will never make it in to the real game it’s awesome but a lil OP
So you're basically building Omega Red? I like it :)
As an 11th-level fighter, when you take the Attack action you can make 3 attacks. If you're using Light weapons, then you can also use your Bonus Action to make an attack that does not include your ability mod in the damage(unless you've taken the Two-Weapon Fighting style). Per tweets from JC & possible other Wizards folks, "main" hand vs "off" hand isn't really a thing, you can mix & match, but the "bonus action" attack is the one that doesn't add your Str/Dex to the damage by default. So those 4 total attacks can be made with any combination of the two weapons you're holding. If you are under a Haste spell, you can use your extra Action from Haste to make 1 more attack, either either weapon, and you do add the Str/Dex mod to the damage.
So yes, if you're a Level 20 Fighter under a Haste spell, you get 4 "regular" attacks from the Attack action, one "regular" attack from your extra Haste action, and one "bonus" attack as your Bonus Action. If you decide to Action Surge, you would get an additional 4 "regular" attacks for a total of 10 attacks in one turn. And hopefully if you make to Level 20, you'll have used one of your many ASI/Feat slots to take the Dual-Wielder feat so you aren't limited to Light weapons :)
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D&D Beyond FoundersJust to clarify the rules, the Player's Handbook states:
This means that you can't, for example, wield a short sword and dagger, and attack twice with the short sword. If you have the extra attack ability, you could use that to make an attack with the sword, then an attack with your dagger (or fist, or whatever) and then could use the bonus action to make another attack with the sword.
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True. Though according to JC, Extra Attack can get around the two weapon fighting rule in some aspects: https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/976996483500097536