Now that the OGL debacle seems to be winding down, our next goal should be preparing for the launch of 6e/oneDnD.
If may be great. I hope it is, but either way they are very probably NOT going to keep both editions of the game. When 5e books start to be deprecated, will they be removed from the site? Will we still get to keep our 5e core books? Will they even allow both sets of core books to exist together? Will there be two different character builders?
Remember that we don't own our books here. We've paid for a temporary license to access them. Temporary, because they can rescind it at any time, and we have no statement from DDB about how this will be handled.
Are you willing to buy all new digital books if you lose access to the 5e books you've already bought?
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
I didn't answer the poll because I don't buy books online, I buy physical copies.
That said, I would imagine that they will stay there. If they removed them or even left them but made them unusable with character builders etc, then people would be up in arms and we've just seen how effective that can be. So no, I don't think the books people have bought are going anywhere.
I feel like this poll needs a more non committal answer. It depends on groups and if I need to.
For me our DM in those days bought a 4th edition book at release but we didnt like it and didn't buy any futher books. None of the other players bothered to buy 4e books. We moved onto other systems to play. We all guy at least the basic rulebook for those other systems.
Most people aren't going to buy an expensive RPG book to stare at the possibility of what playing it could be like. If their group wants to move to 6e then books will be sold. Tabletop RPGs are social games.
So.. I might if it follows the preference of the majority of people I play with. I'm not that impressed eith the players content at the moment.
We've seen how they've handled it in the past. Old books get "legacied", so taken off sale and only accessible to those who've already bought it. It would be a long time before they decide to remove access, if at all - and I imagine it would come with a trade-up to compensate you if they did. It's not likely to happen, it's only three books that are getting replaced. Most content will be supported until the next edition anyway.
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I don’t usually start playing new editions until a couple of years in. It takes time to wrap up campaigns and it gives WotC time to get problems sorted out (anyone remember the 3.0 debacle). So the removal of 5E materials would be an issue for me. As I’m ok with 5E I don’t see any rush to change.
If it's backwards compatible as promised so far, yes, I will buy the new books as they replace the old. If it is not however, I will not buy anything from 6e, physical or otherwise.
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Honestly, I believe that the upcoming changes will be 5.5 and not 6E. All the playtest material is closer to that and not a system change. If it is called 6E, it will be so similar to the changes from 1st to 2nd. Yes, I will continue to buy the books and materials that I want to.
Remember that we don't own our books here. We've paid for a temporary license to access them. Temporary, because they can rescind it at any time, and we have no statement from DDB about how this will be handled.
Are you willing to buy all new digital books if you lose access to the 5e books you've already bought?
I was aware that my books may disappear when I first bought them. So it would be annoying, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. Yes, I would continue buying books from this website, even if my old ones are erased.
With all this being said, it would be preferable if I retain access to my content from 5e, even if it is marked as "Legacy". All the old books are already implemented into the character sheet and wouldn't take much cost to maintain, so it would be nice if D&D Beyond didn't mark books from this as Legacy, but instead kept them available and buyable.
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Remember that we don't own our books here. We've paid for a temporary license to access them. Temporary, because they can rescind it at any time, and we have no statement from DDB about how this will be handled.
Are you willing to buy all new digital books if you lose access to the 5e books you've already bought?
I’ve never brought a book via DDB.. I get most of mine through DTRPG, so you don’t get to download a PDF of books you buy here? Personally I think if you buy the physical book they should give you the PDF at a discount or free but I know that ain’t gonna happen.
Poll: will you give your precious monies to the evil soul-suckers at Wizards of the Coast for 6e books even if they make a public statement that the Satanic Panic didn't go far enough, and that what happened to Tom Hanks in Mazes and Monsters is the ultimate fate of all D&D players? Yes/No
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Carric Aquissar, elven wannabe artist in his deconstructionist period (Archfey warlock) Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric) Mardan Ferres, elven private investigator obsessed with that one unsolved murder (Assassin rogue) Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
Remember that we don't own our books here. We've paid for a temporary license to access them. Temporary, because they can rescind it at any time, and we have no statement from DDB about how this will be handled.
Are you willing to buy all new digital books if you lose access to the 5e books you've already bought?
I’ve never brought a book via DDB.. I get most of mine through DTRPG, so you don’t get to download a PDF of books you buy here? Personally I think if you buy the physical book they should give you the PDF at a discount or free but I know that ain’t gonna happen.
Until recently, WotC and DDB were completely different companies. It would be like buying a game for Sony Playstation and then expecting Steam to give you a discount on their PC copy of the same game. Now that Wotc owns DDB I still don't see it happening as WotC seems opposed to PDFs.
Now to the Topic:
My thoughts are that once 1D&D (or whatever they call it) comes out, the 5E PHB, DMG, and MM (that are being replaced by the 1D&D core rulebooks) will become legacy and no longer purchasable. But you can still access them here. I don't think the other books, like Tasha's or MotM, will right away, maybe not for years. It would be a hard sell for putting out material like Keys from the Golden Vault or Bigby Presents Glory of the Giants in 2023 if they would all of a sudden, they vanish when 1D&D launches.
Poll: will you give your precious monies to the evil soul-suckers at Wizards of the Coast for 6e books even if they make a public statement that the Satanic Panic didn't go far enough, and that what happened to Tom Hanks in Mazes and Monsters is the ultimate fate of all D&D players? Yes/No
If TSR had not licensed D&D to video game developers and other kinds of merchandise at that time, would not be here today.
Certainly could not have survived on just the table-top game alone.
WotC is up against an impossible paradox. They want to make 6e more new player friendly by simplifying certain elements, in hopes it brings more people into the game. But all the people over the past 3-10 years who have mastered the 5e system very likely wants a game with more meat on it. Once you've mastered chess, playing checkers simply has less appeal.
There's no chance that One D&D doesn't just leave something like 40% - 60% of existing players behind, who will likely stay with 5e or simply migrate to a more advance system.
WotC is up against an impossible paradox. They want to make 6e more new player friendly by simplifying certain elements, in hopes it brings more people into the game. But all the people over the past 3-10 years who have mastered the 5e system very likely wants a game with more meat on it. Once you've mastered chess, playing checkers simply has less appeal.
There's no chance that One D&D doesn't just leave something like 40% - 60% of existing players behind, who will likely stay with 5e or simply migrate to a more advance system.
40% is a bit of a stretch, I'd say no more than 20% actually want a meatier system. Most of those who want deeper and more complex mechanics go to Pathfinder or some other system. From what I've seen One D&D is simpler only in the bookkeeping stuff, the core is very much the same as 5e. That said, we've only seen 4 classes so far, and this is basically early beta, things can change wildly until 2024, provided they don't make a U turn on backwards compatibility, which I really hope they won't.
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WotC is up against an impossible paradox. They want to make 6e more new player friendly by simplifying certain elements, in hopes it brings more people into the game. But all the people over the past 3-10 years who have mastered the 5e system very likely wants a game with more meat on it. Once you've mastered chess, playing checkers simply has less appeal.
There's no chance that One D&D doesn't just leave something like 40% - 60% of existing players behind, who will likely stay with 5e or simply migrate to a more advance system.
40% is a bit of a stretch, I'd say no more than 20% actually want a meatier system. Most of those who want deeper and more complex mechanics go to Pathfinder or some other system. From what I've seen One D&D is simpler only in the bookkeeping stuff, the core is very much the same as 5e. That said, we've only seen 4 classes so far, and this is basically early beta, things can change wildly until 2024, provided they don't make a U turn on backwards compatibility, which I really hope they won't.
Even 20 percent is way, way too high
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Active characters:
Carric Aquissar, elven wannabe artist in his deconstructionist period (Archfey warlock) Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric) Mardan Ferres, elven private investigator obsessed with that one unsolved murder (Assassin rogue) Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
WotC is up against an impossible paradox. They want to make 6e more new player friendly by simplifying certain elements, in hopes it brings more people into the game. But all the people over the past 3-10 years who have mastered the 5e system very likely wants a game with more meat on it. Once you've mastered chess, playing checkers simply has less appeal.
There's no chance that One D&D doesn't just leave something like 40% - 60% of existing players behind, who will likely stay with 5e or simply migrate to a more advance system.
40% is a bit of a stretch, I'd say no more than 20% actually want a meatier system. Most of those who want deeper and more complex mechanics go to Pathfinder or some other system. From what I've seen One D&D is simpler only in the bookkeeping stuff, the core is very much the same as 5e. That said, we've only seen 4 classes so far, and this is basically early beta, things can change wildly until 2024, provided they don't make a U turn on backwards compatibility, which I really hope they won't.
I mean, if the core is the same, people simply won't switch. I mean, would you rather play One D&D which is only going to have 4 subclasses for your class. Or 5e which at this point has something 10 or more subclasses for your class on average. The value offer to switch simply isn't there, especially if the core is essentially the same. Having less options is something that most players aren't going to really care for. Maybe this can evolve over the life of One D&D, but the day one proposition seems pretty poor at the moment.
Now that the OGL debacle seems to be winding down, our next goal should be preparing for the launch of 6e/oneDnD.
If may be great. I hope it is, but either way they are very probably NOT going to keep both editions of the game. When 5e books start to be deprecated, will they be removed from the site? Will we still get to keep our 5e core books? Will they even allow both sets of core books to exist together? Will there be two different character builders?
Remember that we don't own our books here. We've paid for a temporary license to access them. Temporary, because they can rescind it at any time, and we have no statement from DDB about how this will be handled.
Are you willing to buy all new digital books if you lose access to the 5e books you've already bought?
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
I didn't answer the poll because I don't buy books online, I buy physical copies.
That said, I would imagine that they will stay there. If they removed them or even left them but made them unusable with character builders etc, then people would be up in arms and we've just seen how effective that can be. So no, I don't think the books people have bought are going anywhere.
At least not yet. Have a lot of 5e stuff to get through still. Maybe later if I feel it's necessary at our table.
I feel like this poll needs a more non committal answer. It depends on groups and if I need to.
For me our DM in those days bought a 4th edition book at release but we didnt like it and didn't buy any futher books. None of the other players bothered to buy 4e books. We moved onto other systems to play. We all guy at least the basic rulebook for those other systems.
Most people aren't going to buy an expensive RPG book to stare at the possibility of what playing it could be like. If their group wants to move to 6e then books will be sold. Tabletop RPGs are social games.
So.. I might if it follows the preference of the majority of people I play with. I'm not that impressed eith the players content at the moment.
We've seen how they've handled it in the past. Old books get "legacied", so taken off sale and only accessible to those who've already bought it. It would be a long time before they decide to remove access, if at all - and I imagine it would come with a trade-up to compensate you if they did. It's not likely to happen, it's only three books that are getting replaced. Most content will be supported until the next edition anyway.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
I highly doubt D&D Beyond will remove 5E books nor that i won't buy 6E books
I don’t usually start playing new editions until a couple of years in. It takes time to wrap up campaigns and it gives WotC time to get problems sorted out (anyone remember the 3.0 debacle). So the removal of 5E materials would be an issue for me. As I’m ok with 5E I don’t see any rush to change.
OneDnd is meant to be backwards compatible with 5e, so I'd be very surprised if they removed the 5e content it was compatible with.
If it's backwards compatible as promised so far, yes, I will buy the new books as they replace the old. If it is not however, I will not buy anything from 6e, physical or otherwise.
DM for life by choice, biggest fan of D&D specifically.
Honestly, I believe that the upcoming changes will be 5.5 and not 6E. All the playtest material is closer to that and not a system change. If it is called 6E, it will be so similar to the changes from 1st to 2nd. Yes, I will continue to buy the books and materials that I want to.
I was aware that my books may disappear when I first bought them. So it would be annoying, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. Yes, I would continue buying books from this website, even if my old ones are erased.
With all this being said, it would be preferable if I retain access to my content from 5e, even if it is marked as "Legacy". All the old books are already implemented into the character sheet and wouldn't take much cost to maintain, so it would be nice if D&D Beyond didn't mark books from this as Legacy, but instead kept them available and buyable.
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HERE.I’ve never brought a book via DDB.. I get most of mine through DTRPG, so you don’t get to download a PDF of books you buy here? Personally I think if you buy the physical book they should give you the PDF at a discount or free but I know that ain’t gonna happen.
Poll: will you give your precious monies to the evil soul-suckers at Wizards of the Coast for 6e books even if they make a public statement that the Satanic Panic didn't go far enough, and that what happened to Tom Hanks in Mazes and Monsters is the ultimate fate of all D&D players? Yes/No
Active characters:
Carric Aquissar, elven wannabe artist in his deconstructionist period (Archfey warlock)
Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric)
Mardan Ferres, elven private investigator obsessed with that one unsolved murder (Assassin rogue)
Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
Until recently, WotC and DDB were completely different companies. It would be like buying a game for Sony Playstation and then expecting Steam to give you a discount on their PC copy of the same game. Now that Wotc owns DDB I still don't see it happening as WotC seems opposed to PDFs.
Now to the Topic:
My thoughts are that once 1D&D (or whatever they call it) comes out, the 5E PHB, DMG, and MM (that are being replaced by the 1D&D core rulebooks) will become legacy and no longer purchasable. But you can still access them here. I don't think the other books, like Tasha's or MotM, will right away, maybe not for years. It would be a hard sell for putting out material like Keys from the Golden Vault or Bigby Presents Glory of the Giants in 2023 if they would all of a sudden, they vanish when 1D&D launches.
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If TSR had not licensed D&D to video game developers and other kinds of merchandise at that time, would not be here today.
Certainly could not have survived on just the table-top game alone.
I have no interest in 6e.
WotC is up against an impossible paradox. They want to make 6e more new player friendly by simplifying certain elements, in hopes it brings more people into the game. But all the people over the past 3-10 years who have mastered the 5e system very likely wants a game with more meat on it. Once you've mastered chess, playing checkers simply has less appeal.
There's no chance that One D&D doesn't just leave something like 40% - 60% of existing players behind, who will likely stay with 5e or simply migrate to a more advance system.
40% is a bit of a stretch, I'd say no more than 20% actually want a meatier system. Most of those who want deeper and more complex mechanics go to Pathfinder or some other system. From what I've seen One D&D is simpler only in the bookkeeping stuff, the core is very much the same as 5e. That said, we've only seen 4 classes so far, and this is basically early beta, things can change wildly until 2024, provided they don't make a U turn on backwards compatibility, which I really hope they won't.
DM for life by choice, biggest fan of D&D specifically.
Even 20 percent is way, way too high
Active characters:
Carric Aquissar, elven wannabe artist in his deconstructionist period (Archfey warlock)
Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric)
Mardan Ferres, elven private investigator obsessed with that one unsolved murder (Assassin rogue)
Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
I mean, if the core is the same, people simply won't switch. I mean, would you rather play One D&D which is only going to have 4 subclasses for your class. Or 5e which at this point has something 10 or more subclasses for your class on average. The value offer to switch simply isn't there, especially if the core is essentially the same. Having less options is something that most players aren't going to really care for. Maybe this can evolve over the life of One D&D, but the day one proposition seems pretty poor at the moment.
When the D&D television series launches on Paramount+ and the D&D movie releases at the end of February, all wild speculation will cease.