So it’s just been announced that the previously announced Magic the Gathering adaptation of Lorwyn-Shadowmoor isn’t a full size book but actually the last of the 32 page digital only books that come with the Forgotten Realms Ultimate Bundle (and will be sold individually for $15 at a later date)
Im not a MTG player and don’t really care about the other adaptations they did for 5e but got to say I’m a little disappointed. L-S actually sounded really interesting with its Feywild setting that seasonally changes from a paradise to shadowy hell realm and was looking forward to a decent campaign guide for it. I’m also not sure what a MTG setting has to do with Forgotten Realms and was expecting the third mini book to be a Waterdeep guide since that city seems to be somewhat missing from the announced contents of the setting books.
Making it a Domain of Delight when used relative to the FR seems... Fine. Separates it from Magic when used in that way. Not sure why it's being done that way at all, though.
Really disappointed that they're just doing this for Lorwyn-Shadowmoor, though, I thought we were getting real lore. Instead we get basically a Plane Shift document. (Even 5 of the 6 of those were longer than what we're getting here, if only barely, ranging from 24 pages [Dominaria] all the way to 47 [Ixalan] when they ran.)
I’m also not sure what a MTG setting has to do with Forgotten Realms
Looks like they're sticking a portal there in the Moonshaes, though there could be other ways in - it seems any fey crossing could potentially get you there.
Where I could see Lorwyn/Shadowmoor being useful in a D&D context is as an example of Feywild/Shadowfell overlap, and what that kind of convergence does to extant flora and fauna.
Lorwyn is the set I started MTG with, I have dying for more of these D&D books set on planes, and gosh while it did not click, yeah this one should be fun. All the different tribes, the job typal from the original should blend so well into D&D classes. Nice.
The only issue is lore-wise having no Humans will limit character creation, but eh, who doesn't love a little bit of a box to work within am I right?
This really feels like they had some lorwyn stuff they were working on and decided not to go ahead with the full setting treatment. Because it doesn’t make a lot of sense to have something being marketed as an FR supplement and then put it, not only not in the FR, but on another plane entirely. Like they had some parts of the project, decided not to do a full project, but had enough to put together a small-scale version and decide they could sell that. So they maybe tacked on the portal to give it some kind of connective tissue to the FR after they decided to scrap a larger project.
That said this supplement, along with the astarion urban vampire one, is actually a bit more interesting to me as a non-FR player. Seems like it’s probably the kind of thing I could more easily use for ideas for my homebrew world.
This really feels like they had some lorwyn stuff they were working on and decided not to go ahead with the full setting treatment. Because it doesn’t make a lot of sense to have something being marketed as an FR supplement and then put it, not only not in the FR, but on another plane entirely. Like they had some parts of the project, decided not to do a full project, but had enough to put together a small-scale version and decide they could sell that. So they maybe tacked on the portal to give it some kind of connective tissue to the FR after they decided to scrap a larger project.
That said this supplement, along with the astarion urban vampire one, is actually a bit more interesting to me as a non-FR player. Seems like it’s probably the kind of thing I could more easily use for ideas for my homebrew world.
Or people blew a random rumor out of proportion & tried to predict everything, & are hopping mad that their prediction was wrong.
Which is what always happens with leaks, rumors & other attempts to gotcha.
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Or people blew a random rumor out of proportion & tried to predict everything, & are hopping mad that their prediction was wrong.
Which is what always happens with leaks, rumors & other attempts to gotcha.
This is the second time you have posted on this thread just to insinuate those who thought this would be a full product were wrong to make such an assumption.
However, let us look at the actual facts. When originally announced back in September, Wizards referred to the Lorwyn product as a “supplement.” Historically, and dating back multiple editions, the word “supplement” was applied to physical products. Products that are digital only are regularly referred to with the digital rider included - Spelljammer Academy, for example, uses the term of art “supplement in digital format” to distinguish itself from the traditional use of “supplement.”
Furthermore, every other true D&D/Magic crossover has been a physical book. Though there have been digital only crossover releases, those were treated differently and have not had the same level of official status.
Finally, this was hardly a “random rumor” - the existence of the crossover was an official announcement from Wizards, using the same language used to tease full books.
Ultimately, it was entirely reasonable to conclude based on both Wizards’ language and past acts this would be a full product. It is reasonable to be disappointed that it is not. It is a little unfair to try and place the blame on the disappointed players - as you have now done twice - when the confusion was entirely caused by Wizards’ failure to use the clarifying language they use with other digital-only products.
Or people blew a random rumor out of proportion & tried to predict everything, & are hopping mad that their prediction was wrong.
Which is what always happens with leaks, rumors & other attempts to gotcha.
This is the second time you have posted on this thread just to insinuate those who thought this would be a full product were wrong to make such an assumption.
However, let us look at the actual facts. When originally announced back in September, Wizards referred to the Lorwyn product as a “supplement.” Historically, and dating back multiple editions, the word “supplement” was applied to physical products. Products that are digital only are regularly referred to with the digital rider included - Spelljammer Academy, for example, uses the term of art “supplement in digital format” to distinguish itself from the traditional use of “supplement.”
Furthermore, every other true D&D/Magic crossover has been a physical book. Though there have been digital only crossover releases, those were treated differently and have not had the same level of official status.
Finally, this was hardly a “random rumor” - the existence of the crossover was an official announcement from Wizards, using the same language used to tease full books.
Ultimately, it was entirely reasonable to conclude based on both Wizards’ language and past acts this would be a full product. It is reasonable to be disappointed that it is not. It is a little unfair to try and place the blame on the disappointed players - as you have now done twice - when the confusion was entirely caused by Wizards’ failure to use the clarifying language they use with other digital-only products.
Remember, this isn't the same Wizards from before 2020-2021.
A lot changed when Hasbro began micromanaging WotC & turning all the IPs therein into lifestyle brands, especially when the infamous "Under-monetized" comment emerged:Things became exponentially more corporate & sterile in every way after lockdown money began to slow down. & I've been paying attention to what changed since then, including linguistics.
So when they used "supplement", it felt like they were going to do something minor, because the language had changed to be more of what Hasbro's PR department would use than the formerly demonstrably more independently administered WotC.
So yes, I think people who haven't paid attention to what's changed blew this out of proportion, relying on precedents that frankly, do not exist to anywhere the same degree post-2021.
So, you saw the announcement they were doing a D&D/mtg crossover setting. And instead of thinking it would be like the two other times they did it and make a full hardcover setting book, you think the more reasonable assumption would have been that they’ll find a way to shoehorn a stripped down version into an existing setting? And that they would do it as a fully digital “dlc?”
And that’s fine, they did it, btw. Plans change for a 101 reasons; they’re allowed to change. Heck, they should change as market conditions and staff changes.
But really, the whole “I told you so” kind of misses the point about how strange it is to put a setting inside a different setting. And really, it’s not even a setting. It’s a part of a feywild setting. So it’s shoehorning a subset of one setting into a whole different one. It’s a weird choice. If they’d done it as a fully standalone product, your argument would have some more weight, but to me this reads like a change of plans.
So it’s shoehorning a subset of one setting into a whole different one.
Are they? I gathered it will be part of the feywild, the only connection to Faerun being that it can be accessed from the Moonshaes via fey crossings. Which since both are (loosely) based on celtic mythology kind of fits? Its just an answer to the question, if we take that crossing, where do we end up at? And not an unfitting answer either.
This really feels like they had some lorwyn stuff they were working on and decided not to go ahead with the full setting treatment. Because it doesn’t make a lot of sense to have something being marketed as an FR supplement and then put it, not only not in the FR, but on another plane entirely.
There are plenty of FR locations that are defined by their ties to other planes. The City of Shade for example doesn't make a lot of sense without invoking the Shadowfell/Plane of Shadow, and Calimshan's whole deal is being an elemental hotspot (no pun intended.) Evermeet is pretty closely linked to Arvandor as well (likely as a nod to Tolkien's Aman/Undying Lands), and as a more recent example we have Elturel getting dunked in Avernus/Baator. Any supplement talking about these places is going to involve some extraplanar lore as well.
So, you saw the announcement they were doing a D&D/mtg crossover setting. And instead of thinking it would be like the two other times they did it and make a full hardcover setting book, you think the more reasonable assumption would have been that they’ll find a way to shoehorn a stripped down version into an existing setting? And that they would do it as a fully digital “dlc?”
And that’s fine, they did it, btw. Plans change for a 101 reasons; they’re allowed to change. Heck, they should change as market conditions and staff changes.
But really, the whole “I told you so” kind of misses the point about how strange it is to put a setting inside a different setting. And really, it’s not even a setting. It’s a part of a feywild setting. So it’s shoehorning a subset of one setting into a whole different one. It’s a weird choice. If they’d done it as a fully standalone product, your argument would have some more weight, but to me this reads like a change of plans.
They've NEVER put a setting inside of a different setting, & connected it to FR post-2021...Unless you count the numerous times they've done so post-2021.
Lore integrity is for the fans of the authors of the books that still adhere to the crystal spheres separating things as undeniable fact, despite the actual games long moving past such. Driz'zt can live a good life with Kender crossing realities to games he's barely present in if at all. Krynn can live knowing Takhisis is just a FR deity under a different name, same as with Rakdos in Ravnica.
AFAIC, they used the hyper-corporate definition of supplement, not the pre-2021 Wizards version, in this context. There was NEVER a verbatim guarantee or promise that we were getting a full book, only guesswork, speculation & running around.
& that's why I think the outrage is out of hand.
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So, you saw the announcement they were doing a D&D/mtg crossover setting. And instead of thinking it would be like the two other times they did it and make a full hardcover setting book, you think the more reasonable assumption would have been that they’ll find a way to shoehorn a stripped down version into an existing setting? And that they would do it as a fully digital “dlc?”
And that’s fine, they did it, btw. Plans change for a 101 reasons; they’re allowed to change. Heck, they should change as market conditions and staff changes.
But really, the whole “I told you so” kind of misses the point about how strange it is to put a setting inside a different setting. And really, it’s not even a setting. It’s a part of a feywild setting. So it’s shoehorning a subset of one setting into a whole different one. It’s a weird choice. If they’d done it as a fully standalone product, your argument would have some more weight, but to me this reads like a change of plans.
They've NEVER put a setting inside of a different setting, & connected it to FR post-2021...Unless you count the numerous times they've done so post-2021.
So it’s shoehorning a subset of one setting into a whole different one.
Are they? I gathered it will be part of the feywild, the only connection to Faerun being that it can be accessed from the Moonshaes via fey crossings. Which since both are (loosely) based on celtic mythology kind of fits? Its just an answer to the question, if we take that crossing, where do we end up at? And not an unfitting answer either.
This really feels like they had some lorwyn stuff they were working on and decided not to go ahead with the full setting treatment. Because it doesn’t make a lot of sense to have something being marketed as an FR supplement and then put it, not only not in the FR, but on another plane entirely.
There are plenty of FR locations that are defined by their ties to other planes. The City of Shade for example doesn't make a lot of sense without invoking the Shadowfell/Plane of Shadow, and Calimshan's whole deal is being an elemental hotspot (no pun intended.) Evermeet is pretty closely linked to Arvandor as well (likely as a nod to Tolkien's Aman/Undying Lands), and as a more recent example we have Elturel getting dunked in Avernus/Baator. Any supplement talking about these places is going to involve some extraplanar lore as well.
Lorewise, the big hole this opens up is that it means this can't be the same Lorwyn-Shadowmoor that Magic: the Gathering fans are already familiar with. It can be a decent mirror of it, but that world is a separate plane in the multiverse, not a pocket of the Feywild connected to the Forgotten Realms.
(And that's how this is a FR supplement, by the way: Anything that connects to the FR within its cosmology counts as a FR supplement.)
So, you saw the announcement they were doing a D&D/mtg crossover setting. And instead of thinking it would be like the two other times they did it and make a full hardcover setting book, you think the more reasonable assumption would have been that they’ll find a way to shoehorn a stripped down version into an existing setting? And that they would do it as a fully digital “dlc?”
And that’s fine, they did it, btw. Plans change for a 101 reasons; they’re allowed to change. Heck, they should change as market conditions and staff changes.
But really, the whole “I told you so” kind of misses the point about how strange it is to put a setting inside a different setting. And really, it’s not even a setting. It’s a part of a feywild setting. So it’s shoehorning a subset of one setting into a whole different one. It’s a weird choice. If they’d done it as a fully standalone product, your argument would have some more weight, but to me this reads like a change of plans.
They've NEVER put a setting inside of a different setting, & connected it to FR post-2021...Unless you count the numerous times they've done so post-2021.
They've NEVER put a setting inside of a different setting, & connected it to FR post-2021...Unless you count the numerous times they've done so post-2021.
& those are just the examples off of the top of my head.
I'm not familiar at all with the Staircase, so I won't really comment on that. But:
-Spelljammer was always connected to multiple settings, not the same at all as stealing a setting and dropping it somewhere else -Book of Many Things isn't really a setting at all, the book is more just guidance and player/DM options that can be used anywhere -Heroes' Feast is explicitly a FR adventure, doesn't apply here -Vecna, while originating from Oerth, was never bound to it and instead wandered the multiverse, making his placement in any setting fit well enough
Your post honestly feels like rage bait. Either that or a lazy grab at a few "recent" supplements with the hope that something sticks.
And none of it even close to compares to taking an existing setting from their other franchise and changing its position in the multiverse completely.
Lorewise, the big hole this opens up is that it means this can't be the same Lorwyn-Shadowmoor that Magic: the Gathering fans are already familiar with. It can be a decent mirror of it, but that world is a separate plane in the multiverse, not a pocket of the Feywild connected to the Forgotten Realms.
(And that's how this is a FR supplement, by the way: Anything that connects to the FR within its cosmology counts as a FR supplement.)
We've had entire planes inside other planes before though. Ravenloft's Domains of Dread consist of an archipelago of demiplanes which are all located inside a single pocket of the Shadowfell for example (A "far-flung corner" per VRGtR.) Just because most settings are on the Material Plane doesn't mean they all are.
So it’s shoehorning a subset of one setting into a whole different one.
Are they? I gathered it will be part of the feywild, the only connection to Faerun being that it can be accessed from the Moonshaes via fey crossings. Which since both are (loosely) based on celtic mythology kind of fits? Its just an answer to the question, if we take that crossing, where do we end up at? And not an unfitting answer either.
This really feels like they had some lorwyn stuff they were working on and decided not to go ahead with the full setting treatment. Because it doesn’t make a lot of sense to have something being marketed as an FR supplement and then put it, not only not in the FR, but on another plane entirely.
There are plenty of FR locations that are defined by their ties to other planes. The City of Shade for example doesn't make a lot of sense without invoking the Shadowfell/Plane of Shadow, and Calimshan's whole deal is being an elemental hotspot (no pun intended.) Evermeet is pretty closely linked to Arvandor as well (likely as a nod to Tolkien's Aman/Undying Lands), and as a more recent example we have Elturel getting dunked in Avernus/Baator. Any supplement talking about these places is going to involve some extraplanar lore as well.
Lorewise, the big hole this opens up is that it means this can't be the same Lorwyn-Shadowmoor that Magic: the Gathering fans are already familiar with. It can be a decent mirror of it, but that world is a separate plane in the multiverse, not a pocket of the Feywild connected to the Forgotten Realms.
(And that's how this is a FR supplement, by the way: Anything that connects to the FR within its cosmology counts as a FR supplement.)
Honestly, there’s little to no practical distinction. Both D&D and MtG have settings that subdivide into smaller discrete realms, so there’s no fundamental reason why Lowynn can’t turn out to be one neighborhood in a larger setting. And the Feywild is already established to be a place where different sections run on different rules, so there’s no glaring incongruity in Lowynn’s gimmick. You can argue that Fey crossings are an issue with MtG, but there’s been enough existing ways besides a Spark to get interplanar travel that one more alternative is just continuing a trend.
They've NEVER put a setting inside of a different setting, & connected it to FR post-2021...Unless you count the numerous times they've done so post-2021.
& those are just the examples off of the top of my head.
I'm not familiar at all with the Staircase, so I won't really comment on that. But:
-Spelljammer was always connected to multiple settings, not the same at all as stealing a setting and dropping it somewhere else -Book of Many Things isn't really a setting at all, the book is more just guidance and player/DM options that can be used anywhere -Heroes' Feast is explicitly a FR adventure, doesn't apply here -Vecna, while originating from Oerth, was never bound to it and instead wandered the multiverse, making his placement in any setting fit well enough
Your post honestly feels like rage bait. Either that or a lazy grab at a few "recent" supplements with the hope that something sticks.
And none of it even close to compares to taking an existing setting from their other franchise and changing its position in the multiverse completely.
Spelljammer doesn't have phlogiston or Crystal Spheres anymore, which single-handedly rearranges continuity & juxtaposition as well as universe permeability. Book of Many Things has Oerth content, yet is mostly about things that normally appear in FR. That means those universes touch w/o 7th-level spells and up. Heroes' Feast EXPLICITLY mentions Kender from Krynn crossing over to FR, which is not supposed to happen in Hickman & Weiss Krynn continuity w/o powerful magic available to the likes of Lord Soth. Vecna:Eve of Ruin breaks novel continuity by going to multiple realms that used to be strictly divided(Krynn & Oerth are the strongest examples) Quests From The Infinite Staircase has you jumping to at least 3 formerly separated universes & multiple planes from a location outside them, despite the novels' canon saying this can't happen.
Point is:They've been ignoring "the rules" for quite a while, continuity-wise. So universes crossing without powerful magic is not only common, but also regular.
This, to me, means that this "incursion" of M:TG breaking "The Rules" is a nothingburger, because "the rules" only exist in novel form, not in game form.
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So it’s just been announced that the previously announced Magic the Gathering adaptation of Lorwyn-Shadowmoor isn’t a full size book but actually the last of the 32 page digital only books that come with the Forgotten Realms Ultimate Bundle (and will be sold individually for $15 at a later date)
Im not a MTG player and don’t really care about the other adaptations they did for 5e but got to say I’m a little disappointed. L-S actually sounded really interesting with its Feywild setting that seasonally changes from a paradise to shadowy hell realm and was looking forward to a decent campaign guide for it. I’m also not sure what a MTG setting has to do with Forgotten Realms and was expecting the third mini book to be a Waterdeep guide since that city seems to be somewhat missing from the announced contents of the setting books.
What’s everyone’s thoughts?
Making it a Domain of Delight when used relative to the FR seems... Fine. Separates it from Magic when used in that way. Not sure why it's being done that way at all, though.
Really disappointed that they're just doing this for Lorwyn-Shadowmoor, though, I thought we were getting real lore. Instead we get basically a Plane Shift document. (Even 5 of the 6 of those were longer than what we're getting here, if only barely, ranging from 24 pages [Dominaria] all the way to 47 [Ixalan] when they ran.)
It's a lesson in why not to take rumors & run wild w/them.
People blew the rumor out of proportion based on rumor mill vaguery.
This is, in actuality, harmless.
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Looks like they're sticking a portal there in the Moonshaes, though there could be other ways in - it seems any fey crossing could potentially get you there.
Where I could see Lorwyn/Shadowmoor being useful in a D&D context is as an example of Feywild/Shadowfell overlap, and what that kind of convergence does to extant flora and fauna.
Awesome! Radical! Heck yeah!
Lorwyn is the set I started MTG with, I have dying for more of these D&D books set on planes, and gosh while it did not click, yeah this one should be fun. All the different tribes, the job typal from the original should blend so well into D&D classes. Nice.
The only issue is lore-wise having no Humans will limit character creation, but eh, who doesn't love a little bit of a box to work within am I right?
This really feels like they had some lorwyn stuff they were working on and decided not to go ahead with the full setting treatment. Because it doesn’t make a lot of sense to have something being marketed as an FR supplement and then put it, not only not in the FR, but on another plane entirely. Like they had some parts of the project, decided not to do a full project, but had enough to put together a small-scale version and decide they could sell that. So they maybe tacked on the portal to give it some kind of connective tissue to the FR after they decided to scrap a larger project.
That said this supplement, along with the astarion urban vampire one, is actually a bit more interesting to me as a non-FR player. Seems like it’s probably the kind of thing I could more easily use for ideas for my homebrew world.
Or people blew a random rumor out of proportion & tried to predict everything, & are hopping mad that their prediction was wrong.
Which is what always happens with leaks, rumors & other attempts to gotcha.
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This is the second time you have posted on this thread just to insinuate those who thought this would be a full product were wrong to make such an assumption.
However, let us look at the actual facts. When originally announced back in September, Wizards referred to the Lorwyn product as a “supplement.” Historically, and dating back multiple editions, the word “supplement” was applied to physical products. Products that are digital only are regularly referred to with the digital rider included - Spelljammer Academy, for example, uses the term of art “supplement in digital format” to distinguish itself from the traditional use of “supplement.”
Furthermore, every other true D&D/Magic crossover has been a physical book. Though there have been digital only crossover releases, those were treated differently and have not had the same level of official status.
Finally, this was hardly a “random rumor” - the existence of the crossover was an official announcement from Wizards, using the same language used to tease full books.
Ultimately, it was entirely reasonable to conclude based on both Wizards’ language and past acts this would be a full product. It is reasonable to be disappointed that it is not. It is a little unfair to try and place the blame on the disappointed players - as you have now done twice - when the confusion was entirely caused by Wizards’ failure to use the clarifying language they use with other digital-only products.
Remember, this isn't the same Wizards from before 2020-2021.
A lot changed when Hasbro began micromanaging WotC & turning all the IPs therein into lifestyle brands, especially when the infamous "Under-monetized" comment emerged:Things became exponentially more corporate & sterile in every way after lockdown money began to slow down. & I've been paying attention to what changed since then, including linguistics.
So when they used "supplement", it felt like they were going to do something minor, because the language had changed to be more of what Hasbro's PR department would use than the formerly demonstrably more independently administered WotC.
So yes, I think people who haven't paid attention to what's changed blew this out of proportion, relying on precedents that frankly, do not exist to anywhere the same degree post-2021.
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Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
So, you saw the announcement they were doing a D&D/mtg crossover setting. And instead of thinking it would be like the two other times they did it and make a full hardcover setting book, you think the more reasonable assumption would have been that they’ll find a way to shoehorn a stripped down version into an existing setting? And that they would do it as a fully digital “dlc?”
And that’s fine, they did it, btw. Plans change for a 101 reasons; they’re allowed to change. Heck, they should change as market conditions and staff changes.
But really, the whole “I told you so” kind of misses the point about how strange it is to put a setting inside a different setting. And really, it’s not even a setting. It’s a part of a feywild setting. So it’s shoehorning a subset of one setting into a whole different one. It’s a weird choice. If they’d done it as a fully standalone product, your argument would have some more weight, but to me this reads like a change of plans.
Are they? I gathered it will be part of the feywild, the only connection to Faerun being that it can be accessed from the Moonshaes via fey crossings. Which since both are (loosely) based on celtic mythology kind of fits? Its just an answer to the question, if we take that crossing, where do we end up at? And not an unfitting answer either.
There are plenty of FR locations that are defined by their ties to other planes. The City of Shade for example doesn't make a lot of sense without invoking the Shadowfell/Plane of Shadow, and Calimshan's whole deal is being an elemental hotspot (no pun intended.) Evermeet is pretty closely linked to Arvandor as well (likely as a nod to Tolkien's Aman/Undying Lands), and as a more recent example we have Elturel getting dunked in Avernus/Baator. Any supplement talking about these places is going to involve some extraplanar lore as well.
They've NEVER put a setting inside of a different setting, & connected it to FR post-2021...Unless you count the numerous times they've done so post-2021.
Lore integrity is for the fans of the authors of the books that still adhere to the crystal spheres separating things as undeniable fact, despite the actual games long moving past such. Driz'zt can live a good life with Kender crossing realities to games he's barely present in if at all. Krynn can live knowing Takhisis is just a FR deity under a different name, same as with Rakdos in Ravnica.
AFAIC, they used the hyper-corporate definition of supplement, not the pre-2021 Wizards version, in this context. There was NEVER a verbatim guarantee or promise that we were getting a full book, only guesswork, speculation & running around.
& that's why I think the outrage is out of hand.
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Examples?
Lorewise, the big hole this opens up is that it means this can't be the same Lorwyn-Shadowmoor that Magic: the Gathering fans are already familiar with. It can be a decent mirror of it, but that world is a separate plane in the multiverse, not a pocket of the Feywild connected to the Forgotten Realms.
(And that's how this is a FR supplement, by the way: Anything that connects to the FR within its cosmology counts as a FR supplement.)
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/sais
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/tbomt
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/hfscm/heroes-feast-saving-the-childrens-menu
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/veor
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/qftis
& those are just the examples off of the top of my head.
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Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
I'm not familiar at all with the Staircase, so I won't really comment on that. But:
-Spelljammer was always connected to multiple settings, not the same at all as stealing a setting and dropping it somewhere else
-Book of Many Things isn't really a setting at all, the book is more just guidance and player/DM options that can be used anywhere
-Heroes' Feast is explicitly a FR adventure, doesn't apply here
-Vecna, while originating from Oerth, was never bound to it and instead wandered the multiverse, making his placement in any setting fit well enough
Your post honestly feels like rage bait. Either that or a lazy grab at a few "recent" supplements with the hope that something sticks.
And none of it even close to compares to taking an existing setting from their other franchise and changing its position in the multiverse completely.
We've had entire planes inside other planes before though. Ravenloft's Domains of Dread consist of an archipelago of demiplanes which are all located inside a single pocket of the Shadowfell for example (A "far-flung corner" per VRGtR.) Just because most settings are on the Material Plane doesn't mean they all are.
Honestly, there’s little to no practical distinction. Both D&D and MtG have settings that subdivide into smaller discrete realms, so there’s no fundamental reason why Lowynn can’t turn out to be one neighborhood in a larger setting. And the Feywild is already established to be a place where different sections run on different rules, so there’s no glaring incongruity in Lowynn’s gimmick. You can argue that Fey crossings are an issue with MtG, but there’s been enough existing ways besides a Spark to get interplanar travel that one more alternative is just continuing a trend.
Spelljammer doesn't have phlogiston or Crystal Spheres anymore, which single-handedly rearranges continuity & juxtaposition as well as universe permeability.
Book of Many Things has Oerth content, yet is mostly about things that normally appear in FR. That means those universes touch w/o 7th-level spells and up.
Heroes' Feast EXPLICITLY mentions Kender from Krynn crossing over to FR, which is not supposed to happen in Hickman & Weiss Krynn continuity w/o powerful magic available to the likes of Lord Soth.
Vecna:Eve of Ruin breaks novel continuity by going to multiple realms that used to be strictly divided(Krynn & Oerth are the strongest examples)
Quests From The Infinite Staircase has you jumping to at least 3 formerly separated universes & multiple planes from a location outside them, despite the novels' canon saying this can't happen.
Point is:They've been ignoring "the rules" for quite a while, continuity-wise. So universes crossing without powerful magic is not only common, but also regular.
This, to me, means that this "incursion" of M:TG breaking "The Rules" is a nothingburger, because "the rules" only exist in novel form, not in game form.
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.