I'm not really sure what you are getting at with your question, then adding the Amazon numbers. Are you implying it's not doing well?
I visit my local Barnes and Nobel frequently, and if you know Barnes and Nobel brick-and-mortar stores, they give their best sellers a big display. Mine has a fairly large D&D display, with a big tabletop section. That tells me their sales are doing well. Plus we have a local game shop, that does D&D on Thursday nights, with veteran DM's, but is welcoming to new players, and they always put up a huge D&D display, full of minifigs, books, DM screens, and whatever else you could possible want to buy for yourself. And those nights are always packed, so I'm sure they do some good sales.
Lets also consider the price of those books. The PHB is $27.63USD with Prime and $49.95USD without. Most of the top selling books are half that price, or lower. So with that being said, I would consider the PHB as selling quite well!
Also, after doing a little research, WotC is owned by Hasbro, and accounts for nearly half of Hasbro's US and Canadian sales, which includes D&D. I'd say they are doing well.
I think it's doing well, since they continue to release new books and content, plus are releasing DND Beyond. I don't think it does as well as their Magic the Gathering numbers, but still, it does well. It's obviously doing better than Arena of the Planeswalkers, which looks to already be a dead game (although you can snag copies for 5 to 10 bucks each and get some cheap minis). I'm pretty happy with the slower book release as well, since it's fairly easy for me to buy the whole collection (I started buying 5E in October). I started with 3.5 but quickly got overwhelmed by a playgroup that minmaxed everything plus had a ton of books I didn't even know exist. My current, smaller playgroup doing 5E seems to be more the direction I enjoy.
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While I like the lower pace I do wish they would do smaller adventures (but more) and more content books. By content I mean books like frostburn, cityscape and the like. Not just straight player options.
Adventure paths are great, but I don't have much use for them since I'll never run one. At best they surve as idea books.
I heard that D&D and tabletop is regaining a lot of popularity since about the last two years...
Wonder what was happening about two years ago that might be the reason... Surely it had nothing to do with 4th edition...
I think D&D 3.0 has always had popularity. The increase is becsuse 4th wasn't popular.
An unpopular edition drops interest - and 4th edition ending was more than two years ago, it was like four almost now, because two years ago 5th edition was out (and it being good is why interest has raised) and for about two years before that play-testing of 5th edition was going on (also raising interest) and 4th edition was already over and done with.
Plus, some classic versions of the game got put into print again during that post-4th-edition period of time (and hey, more interest raised there too).
I truly wanted to buy the Red Box set a few years ago and consider getting back into D&D but my return did not happen until 5th Edition. I literally watched a friend and his group play one night and the following evening I was playing. I now wonder how I could have been away for so long. Our DM has decades of table top gaming experience and I started with playing SW Armada with him. I will most likely own all the books by the end of the summer...if that is more relevant to the topic.
I'm not really sure what you are getting at with your question, then adding the Amazon numbers. Are you implying it's not doing well?
I don't think that is what he is trying to imply at all. He's saying, 2.5 years after its release the 5e Player's Handbook is ranked 37 overall --- out of *all* books selling on Amazon. That's amazing. And DMG is in the top 100, too; with the MM following close behind. This should be considered extremely compelling evidence of 5e's success, and I think Mistwell was asking the question rhetorically and then presenting these numbers as such evidence.
I'm not really sure what you are getting at with your question, then adding the Amazon numbers. Are you implying it's not doing well?
I don't think that is what he is trying to imply at all. He's saying, 2.5 years after its release the 5e Player's Handbook is ranked 37 overall --- out of *all* books selling on Amazon. That's amazing. And DMG is in the top 100, too; with the MM following close behind. This should be considered extremely compelling evidence of 5e's success, and I think Mistwell was asking the question rhetorically and then presenting these numbers as such evidence.
I absolutely agree. I know many people who have gotten interested recently, and it make me happy to see it growing. I can't wait to teach my daughter.
I'm not really sure what you are getting at with your question, then adding the Amazon numbers. Are you implying it's not doing well?
I don't think that is what he is trying to imply at all. He's saying, 2.5 years after its release the 5e Player's Handbook is ranked 37 overall --- out of *all* books selling on Amazon. That's amazing. And DMG is in the top 100, too; with the MM following close behind. This should be considered extremely compelling evidence of 5e's success, and I think Mistwell was asking the question rhetorically and then presenting these numbers as such evidence.
I absolutely agree. I know many people who have gotten interested recently, and it make me happy to see it growing. I can't wait to teach my daughter.
Yeah, we've gotten a number of new people into D&D in the last couple of years; and some of them in turn have gotten a number of new people involved. It is awesome indeed to see it growing; and to see that the hobby is increasing its inclusiveness. When people talk about teaching their kids, I always think of this post from 2013, where a guy plays D&D with his five year old daughter: http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/587342.html A couple of friends we got playing D&D have turned around and played Monte Cook's "No Thank You, Evil" with their five year old, with success.
I'm not really sure what you are getting at with your question, then adding the Amazon numbers. Are you implying it's not doing well?
I don't think that is what he is trying to imply at all. He's saying, 2.5 years after its release the 5e Player's Handbook is ranked 37 overall --- out of *all* books selling on Amazon. That's amazing. And DMG is in the top 100, too; with the MM following close behind. This should be considered extremely compelling evidence of 5e's success, and I think Mistwell was asking the question rhetorically and then presenting these numbers as such evidence.
I absolutely agree. I know many people who have gotten interested recently, and it make me happy to see it growing. I can't wait to teach my daughter.
Yeah, we've gotten a number of new people into D&D in the last couple of years; and some of them in turn have gotten a number of new people involved. It is awesome indeed to see it growing; and to see that the hobby is increasing its inclusiveness. When people talk about teaching their kids, I always think of this post from 2013, where a guy plays D&D with his five year old daughter: http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/587342.html A couple of friends we got playing D&D have turned around and played Monte Cook's "No Thank You, Evil" with their five year old, with success.
I've read that blog! It's what I used to convince my niece she needed to teach her two children. Because of this blog, and my probing, she bought the 5e starter kit, and is coming to visit, with her kids and a family friend, in June so my hubby and I can teach them all how to play. We're all very excited about this.
A think a huge contributor the rise of the popularity of DnD is because of the popularity of geek culture these days. You have marvel movies that beat box office records when not long ago you could only get them from trading cards and comic books. There's almost always a DnD stream on twitch, and there's popular youtube channels that have been advertising DnD for years to a steady viewer-base.
I don't think that is what he is trying to imply at all. He's saying, 2.5 years after its release the 5e Player's Handbook is ranked 37 overall --- out of *all* books selling on Amazon. That's amazing. And DMG is in the top 100, too; with the MM following close behind. This should be considered extremely compelling evidence of 5e's success, and I think Mistwell was asking the question rhetorically and then presenting these numbers as such evidence.
That was my impression as well...
Being at #37 almost three years after release is just ridiculously good, and we should also remember it spent a good two months at #1, which was even more impressive.
Are the sales so high still as everyone that bought the PH two-plus years ago have had to replace their original book because all the pages fell out due to the critical failure on the Craft (bookbinding) skill check?
Seriously, glad that D&D is doing well again and happy to see so many people returning to the hobby who hadn't played since 1E/2E days. I just wish my family's PHs weren't 35% wood glue to re-set the pages in the binding.
Are the sales so high still as everyone that bought the PH two-plus years ago have had to replace their original book because all the pages fell out due to the critical failure on the Craft (bookbinding) skill check?
Seriously, glad that D&D is doing well again and happy to see so many people returning to the hobby who hadn't played since 1E/2E days. I just wish my family's PHs weren't 35% wood glue to re-set the pages in the binding.
Are the sales so high still as everyone that bought the PH two-plus years ago have had to replace their original book because all the pages fell out due to the critical failure on the Craft (bookbinding) skill check?
Seriously, glad that D&D is doing well again and happy to see so many people returning to the hobby who hadn't played since 1E/2E days. I just wish my family's PHs weren't 35% wood glue to re-set the pages in the binding.
I appreciate the snark alert, but it should be noted that (by all accounts I've heard) WoTC has made good on that flub by sending good copies to all those who wrote to them about the issue.
I'm not really sure what you are getting at with your question, then adding the Amazon numbers. Are you implying it's not doing well?
The opposite. It's doing extraordinarily well. No version of any RPG, ever, has had their core book rank this high in the overall book sales (that's of all books in the U.S., of any kind) this long after publication.
Both Mearls and Crawford have also confirmed 5e outsold all prior editions of D&D for which they still have records, by this point in the edition release cycle. That is to say, by this point (2.5 years in) in 2e, 3e, 3.5e, and 4e, each of those editions had sold fewer total books than 5e has sold at this point in 5e. They don't have sufficient records for 1e or Basic/Expert to know if it's outsold those however.
Are the sales so high still as everyone that bought the PH two-plus years ago have had to replace their original book because all the pages fell out due to the critical failure on the Craft (bookbinding) skill check?
Seriously, glad that D&D is doing well again and happy to see so many people returning to the hobby who hadn't played since 1E/2E days. I just wish my family's PHs weren't 35% wood glue to re-set the pages in the binding.
I appreciate the snark alert, but it should be noted that (by all accounts I've heard) WoTC has made good on that flub by sending good copies to all those who wrote to them about the issue.
For real? All I have to do is write them about it? Because I have been forcing myself to just keep it until all the pages fall out...but if they will replace it!!! Whoa!
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Here are the current Amazon rankings:
(Book: Over sales ranking)
PHB: 37
DMG: 93
MM: 121
TftYP: 127
VGtM: 316
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InsidersI'm not really sure what you are getting at with your question, then adding the Amazon numbers. Are you implying it's not doing well?
I visit my local Barnes and Nobel frequently, and if you know Barnes and Nobel brick-and-mortar stores, they give their best sellers a big display. Mine has a fairly large D&D display, with a big tabletop section. That tells me their sales are doing well. Plus we have a local game shop, that does D&D on Thursday nights, with veteran DM's, but is welcoming to new players, and they always put up a huge D&D display, full of minifigs, books, DM screens, and whatever else you could possible want to buy for yourself. And those nights are always packed, so I'm sure they do some good sales.
Lets also consider the price of those books. The PHB is $27.63USD with Prime and $49.95USD without. Most of the top selling books are half that price, or lower. So with that being said, I would consider the PHB as selling quite well!
Also, after doing a little research, WotC is owned by Hasbro, and accounts for nearly half of Hasbro's US and Canadian sales, which includes D&D. I'd say they are doing well.
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I heard that D&D and tabletop is regaining a lot of popularity since about the last two years...
I think it's doing well, since they continue to release new books and content, plus are releasing DND Beyond. I don't think it does as well as their Magic the Gathering numbers, but still, it does well. It's obviously doing better than Arena of the Planeswalkers, which looks to already be a dead game (although you can snag copies for 5 to 10 bucks each and get some cheap minis). I'm pretty happy with the slower book release as well, since it's fairly easy for me to buy the whole collection (I started buying 5E in October). I started with 3.5 but quickly got overwhelmed by a playgroup that minmaxed everything plus had a ton of books I didn't even know exist. My current, smaller playgroup doing 5E seems to be more the direction I enjoy.
I use summon instrument to summon my kettle drum, hold it overhead like Donkey Kong, and chuck it at the nearest kobold.
While I like the lower pace I do wish they would do smaller adventures (but more) and more content books. By content I mean books like frostburn, cityscape and the like. Not just straight player options.
Adventure paths are great, but I don't have much use for them since I'll never run one. At best they surve as idea books.
I truly wanted to buy the Red Box set a few years ago and consider getting back into D&D but my return did not happen until 5th Edition. I literally watched a friend and his group play one night and the following evening I was playing. I now wonder how I could have been away for so long. Our DM has decades of table top gaming experience and I started with playing SW Armada with him. I will most likely own all the books by the end of the summer...if that is more relevant to the topic.
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A think a huge contributor the rise of the popularity of DnD is because of the popularity of geek culture these days. You have marvel movies that beat box office records when not long ago you could only get them from trading cards and comic books. There's almost always a DnD stream on twitch, and there's popular youtube channels that have been advertising DnD for years to a steady viewer-base.
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Are the sales so high still as everyone that bought the PH two-plus years ago have had to replace their original book because all the pages fell out due to the critical failure on the Craft (bookbinding) skill check?
Seriously, glad that D&D is doing well again and happy to see so many people returning to the hobby who hadn't played since 1E/2E days. I just wish my family's PHs weren't 35% wood glue to re-set the pages in the binding.
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The opposite. It's doing extraordinarily well. No version of any RPG, ever, has had their core book rank this high in the overall book sales (that's of all books in the U.S., of any kind) this long after publication.
Both Mearls and Crawford have also confirmed 5e outsold all prior editions of D&D for which they still have records, by this point in the edition release cycle. That is to say, by this point (2.5 years in) in 2e, 3e, 3.5e, and 4e, each of those editions had sold fewer total books than 5e has sold at this point in 5e. They don't have sufficient records for 1e or Basic/Expert to know if it's outsold those however.
"...Debts must always be paid, sometimes in more than blood and gold. But this is Ordo Ursa," Ren places his hand on Erakas's chest, right where the Dragonborn's heart is. "Right here. And it always has been and always will be. Don't ever forget that. Because I won't."
Serandis Mendaen (Aereni Elven Rogue/maybe one day Wizard)- Project Point Playtest