If you wish to hold some actual philosophical discussions--here are a few topics to get you started:
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One of the classic philosophy questions is that of the Trolly Problem. You are in a trolly with no breaks and no driver. In front of you is a fork in the track. You are currently on the path to hit and kill 5 people. You could pull a lever and change the track, but in so doing, the trolly would hit and kill a single person. If you take no action, five will die, but not due to any overt action by yourself. If you take action, one will die, but they will die by your choice and action.
What do you do? Why?
Once you have that answer: What if those five people were criminals and the one person was a charitable man who might save others? What if the one was young and the five were old and near the end of their natural lives? In what other situations might you switch your initial answer?
Be sure to explain why you make any such choice. Be sure to change the hypothetical--the numbers of people on each side, the nature of the people, how much effort must be done to change the outcome. Be sure to ask others for clarification if you do not understand why they made a choice, and explain why your opinion differed from theirs. Do not merely post your comments--read others' comments, critique them, and try to better understand how they came to their conclusions--and see if their explanations cause you to rethink your own answers.
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This hypothetical is designed to examine a few issues. The first--is something worse because it was an action, or can inaction be just as bad as taking overt action? Second, is all life equal in value? If so, why? If not, how does one ascribe value to life? Third, is that value absolute and objective, or does each of us ascribe value to each other? And if we are ascribing value and making choices based on that value, who conferred the right to make such a decision upon the value of others' lives?
The Trolly Problem might be cliché, but has a decent bit of depth to it. That is why it is one of the first questions posed to Philosophy 101 students--it can provide a fair bit of discourse and is rather helpful at getting students and individuals who clearly lack a philosophy background to open up to philosophical discussion. That which works for new students of philosophy might be a good place for you folks on the forums, new to the field, to get your start as well.
And, with that, I wish you all luck on your thread. May you enjoy your first forays into this enigmatic field of study.
I would switch it to the one person and then 1: If i have time, get both of us out of the way 2: If i don't have time, shove the other guy out of the way and take the trolly myself
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"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen" - 1 Timothy 1:17
If you wish to hold some actual philosophical discussions--here are a few topics to get you started:
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One of the classic philosophy questions is that of the Trolly Problem. You are in a trolly with no breaks and no driver. In front of you is a fork in the track. You are currently on the path to hit and kill 5 people. You could pull a lever and change the track, but in so doing, the trolly would hit and kill a single person. If you take no action, five will die, but not due to any overt action by yourself. If you take action, one will die, but they will die by your choice and action.
What do you do? Why?
Once you have that answer: What if those five people were criminals and the one person was a charitable man who might save others? What if the one was young and the five were old and near the end of their natural lives? In what other situations might you switch your initial answer?
Be sure to explain why you make any such choice. Be sure to change the hypothetical--the numbers of people on each side, the nature of the people, how much effort must be done to change the outcome. Be sure to ask others for clarification if you do not understand why they made a choice, and explain why your opinion differed from theirs. Do not merely post your comments--read others' comments, critique them, and try to better understand how they came to their conclusions--and see if their explanations cause you to rethink your own answers.
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This hypothetical is designed to examine a few issues. The first--is something worse because it was an action, or can inaction be just as bad as taking overt action? Second, is all life equal in value? If so, why? If not, how does one ascribe value to life? Third, is that value absolute and objective, or does each of us ascribe value to each other? And if we are ascribing value and making choices based on that value, who conferred the right to make such a decision upon the value of others' lives?
The Trolly Problem might be cliché, but has a decent bit of depth to it. That is why it is one of the first questions posed to Philosophy 101 students--it can provide a fair bit of discourse and is rather helpful at getting students and individuals who clearly lack a philosophy background to open up to philosophical discussion. That which works for new students of philosophy might be a good place for you folks on the forums, new to the field, to get your start as well.
And, with that, I wish you all luck on your thread. May you enjoy your first forays into this enigmatic field of study.
I would switch it to the one person and then 1: If i have time, get both of us out of the way 2: If i don't have time, shove the other guy out of the way and take the trolly myself
How are you gonna shove them? You're on the trolley.
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Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny. Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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The instincts that are within humans are meant to drive them to what I consider to be the ultimate good (life), as evolution has given gifts to those who support life and (usually) roots out the organisms that have no purpose. That being said, those instincts are made for a much more primal world, so the new options we have at our disposal in the modern age mean that many of our instincts drive people to in some way destroy life, which is what I consider to be the ultimate evil.
Prolly not. I'm pretty sure I'm a philosophical physicalist, which means I don't think there's anything in this world that you can't point to (except for forces and space and such). The human mind works on chemistry, and chemistry has no free will, so why would we? I'll admit that I'm not completely certain all of what goes into that little black box we call the consciousness, but still I find the constantly repeated notion that one's person and one's brain are distinct entities that work in conjunction to be humorous. Everything you "decide" was actually decided by a few billion neurons. Not to say that you don't decide things, because those few billion neurons are you, so anything they decide, you decide. But there is no amorphous "you" external to your brain.
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Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny. Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Hoo boy. This is a complicated one and I ain't always great at explaining things so forgive me if my wording is as clear as mud. I believe that God is in complete and total control of the world. Everything happens because he ordained it to happen. He is the author and we are the characters in the story. But does a story book character know what the author is writing? No. They have no idea what will happen next and so they are still responsible for their actions. This analogy isn't perfect but I hope it works. In short, yes free will exists, but so does predestination. The two aren't as opposed as people often think.
Hoo boy. This is a complicated one and I ain't always great at explaining things so forgive me if my wording is as clear as mud. I believe that God is in complete and total control of the world. Everything happens because he ordained it to happen. He is the author and we are the characters in the story. But does a story book character know what the author is writing? No. They have no idea what will happen next and so they are still responsible for their actions. This analogy isn't perfect but I hope it works. In short, yes free will exists, but so does predestination. The two aren't as opposed as people often think.
I think you've just got a different definition of free will than most people. Nobody sane claims that people aren't responsible for their actions just because they don't think people have free will. The concept of a lack of free will mostly goes as thus: two brains composed the exact same way, when given the exact same stimului, will always give the exact same response
Are you trying to say that there are tons of different options that the superphysical you could take, but they'd all eventually converge onto the exact moment in one way or another?
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Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny. Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Humans are inherently evil. This is a result of the fall.
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Bible say that humanity was made in the image of God? I think it can be argued that humanity is innately good, and then all that evil stuff was just an extra layer what got added on later.
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Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny. Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Humans are inherently evil. This is a result of the fall.
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Bible say that humanity was made in the image of God? I think it can be argued that humanity is innately good, and then all that evil stuff was just an extra layer what got added on later.
Humans are made in the image of God and they were good in the beginning. Then, through the fall, they became evil. Humans are now inherently evil. I get what you are saying, and that is why I used "inherently" instead of "innately" which I think is a better way to phrase the question. It gets the point across that humans are bad, while your definition makes it sound like humans are good, which isn't right. We start out wrong and will continue to be evil until redeemed by God's grace.
Hoo boy. This is a complicated one and I ain't always great at explaining things so forgive me if my wording is as clear as mud. I believe that God is in complete and total control of the world. Everything happens because he ordained it to happen. He is the author and we are the characters in the story. But does a story book character know what the author is writing? No. They have no idea what will happen next and so they are still responsible for their actions. This analogy isn't perfect but I hope it works. In short, yes free will exists, but so does predestination. The two aren't as opposed as people often think.
I think you've just got a different definition of free will than most people. Nobody sane claims that people aren't responsible for their actions just because they don't think people have free will. The concept of a lack of free will mostly goes as thus: two brains composed the exact same way, when given the exact same stimului, will always give the exact same response
Are you trying to say that there are tons of different options that the superphysical you could take, but they'd all eventually converge onto the exact moment in one way or another?
I think you are right. Forgive me for my weird definitions. I have heard people you have dubbed insane argue that way before and so I guess I was thinking of this differently than y'all.
I think that everything that will happen and has happened is under the complete control of God. Does this answer your question or am I still too far in theology and not in philosophy?
Humans are inherently evil. This is a result of the fall.
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Bible say that humanity was made in the image of God? I think it can be argued that humanity is innately good, and then all that evil stuff was just an extra layer what got added on later.
Humans are made in the image of God and they were good in the beginning. Then, through the fall, they became evil. Humans are now inherently evil. I get what you are saying, and that is why I used "inherently" instead of "innately" which I think is a better way to phrase the question. It gets the point across that humans are bad, while your definition makes it sound like humans are good, which isn't right. We start out wrong and will continue to be evil until redeemed by God's grace.
What if were not religious?
Would you mind offering a little more of an explanation? I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say.
Humans are inherently evil. This is a result of the fall.
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Bible say that humanity was made in the image of God? I think it can be argued that humanity is innately good, and then all that evil stuff was just an extra layer what got added on later.
Humans are made in the image of God and they were good in the beginning. Then, through the fall, they became evil. Humans are now inherently evil. I get what you are saying, and that is why I used "inherently" instead of "innately" which I think is a better way to phrase the question. It gets the point across that humans are bad, while your definition makes it sound like humans are good, which isn't right. We start out wrong and will continue to be evil until redeemed by God's grace.
What if were not religious?
Would you mind offering a little more of an explanation? I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say.
I think they mean “What if we [the speaker] are not religious?”
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If you wish to hold some actual philosophical discussions--here are a few topics to get you started:
----
One of the classic philosophy questions is that of the Trolly Problem. You are in a trolly with no breaks and no driver. In front of you is a fork in the track. You are currently on the path to hit and kill 5 people. You could pull a lever and change the track, but in so doing, the trolly would hit and kill a single person. If you take no action, five will die, but not due to any overt action by yourself. If you take action, one will die, but they will die by your choice and action.
What do you do? Why?
Once you have that answer: What if those five people were criminals and the one person was a charitable man who might save others? What if the one was young and the five were old and near the end of their natural lives? In what other situations might you switch your initial answer?
Be sure to explain why you make any such choice. Be sure to change the hypothetical--the numbers of people on each side, the nature of the people, how much effort must be done to change the outcome. Be sure to ask others for clarification if you do not understand why they made a choice, and explain why your opinion differed from theirs. Do not merely post your comments--read others' comments, critique them, and try to better understand how they came to their conclusions--and see if their explanations cause you to rethink your own answers.
----
This hypothetical is designed to examine a few issues. The first--is something worse because it was an action, or can inaction be just as bad as taking overt action? Second, is all life equal in value? If so, why? If not, how does one ascribe value to life? Third, is that value absolute and objective, or does each of us ascribe value to each other? And if we are ascribing value and making choices based on that value, who conferred the right to make such a decision upon the value of others' lives?
The Trolly Problem might be cliché, but has a decent bit of depth to it. That is why it is one of the first questions posed to Philosophy 101 students--it can provide a fair bit of discourse and is rather helpful at getting students and individuals who clearly lack a philosophy background to open up to philosophical discussion. That which works for new students of philosophy might be a good place for you folks on the forums, new to the field, to get your start as well.
And, with that, I wish you all luck on your thread. May you enjoy your first forays into this enigmatic field of study.
I would switch it to the one person and then 1: If i have time, get both of us out of the way 2: If i don't have time, shove the other guy out of the way and take the trolly myself
How are you gonna shove them? You're on the trolley.
Oh. Missed that part. How fast is it going
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"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen" - 1 Timothy 1:17
If you wish to hold some actual philosophical discussions--here are a few topics to get you started:
----
One of the classic philosophy questions is that of the Trolly Problem. You are in a trolly with no breaks and no driver. In front of you is a fork in the track. You are currently on the path to hit and kill 5 people. You could pull a lever and change the track, but in so doing, the trolly would hit and kill a single person. If you take no action, five will die, but not due to any overt action by yourself. If you take action, one will die, but they will die by your choice and action.
What do you do? Why?
Once you have that answer: What if those five people were criminals and the one person was a charitable man who might save others? What if the one was young and the five were old and near the end of their natural lives? In what other situations might you switch your initial answer?
Be sure to explain why you make any such choice. Be sure to change the hypothetical--the numbers of people on each side, the nature of the people, how much effort must be done to change the outcome. Be sure to ask others for clarification if you do not understand why they made a choice, and explain why your opinion differed from theirs. Do not merely post your comments--read others' comments, critique them, and try to better understand how they came to their conclusions--and see if their explanations cause you to rethink your own answers.
----
This hypothetical is designed to examine a few issues. The first--is something worse because it was an action, or can inaction be just as bad as taking overt action? Second, is all life equal in value? If so, why? If not, how does one ascribe value to life? Third, is that value absolute and objective, or does each of us ascribe value to each other? And if we are ascribing value and making choices based on that value, who conferred the right to make such a decision upon the value of others' lives?
The Trolly Problem might be cliché, but has a decent bit of depth to it. That is why it is one of the first questions posed to Philosophy 101 students--it can provide a fair bit of discourse and is rather helpful at getting students and individuals who clearly lack a philosophy background to open up to philosophical discussion. That which works for new students of philosophy might be a good place for you folks on the forums, new to the field, to get your start as well.
And, with that, I wish you all luck on your thread. May you enjoy your first forays into this enigmatic field of study.
I would switch it to the one person and then 1: If i have time, get both of us out of the way 2: If i don't have time, shove the other guy out of the way and take the trolly myself
Thats very noble.
I would do it because I know I am saved and will go to see my savior in heaven when I die. I have no idea about the other person so I'll give them a chance to repent and accept Jesus as there savior.
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"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen" - 1 Timothy 1:17
I would most certainly like to discuss theology with anyone who wants to. I will attempt to answer any questions you might have about Christianity. (not saying you will get a satisfactory answer I do not know everything.
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"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen" - 1 Timothy 1:17
Quote from Stertle09>> I would switch it to the one person and then 1: If i have time, get both of us out of the way 2: If i don't have time, shove the other guy out of the way and take the trolly myself
How are you gonna shove them? You're on the trolley.
Oh. Missed that part. How fast is it going
How would you pull a lever to change tracks if you are in the trolly
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"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen" - 1 Timothy 1:17
I would most certainly like to discuss theology with anyone who wants to. I will attempt to answer any questions you might have about Christianity. (not saying you will get a satisfactory answer I do not know everything.
I would love to but not tonight. I have to go to bed soon. I am also a Christian but I think I’m more liberal than you.
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I would switch it to the one person and then 1: If i have time, get both of us out of the way 2: If i don't have time, shove the other guy out of the way and take the trolly myself
"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen" - 1 Timothy 1:17
How are you gonna shove them? You're on the trolley.
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Are humans innately good or evil?
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Do people really have free will?
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The instincts that are within humans are meant to drive them to what I consider to be the ultimate good (life), as evolution has given gifts to those who support life and (usually) roots out the organisms that have no purpose. That being said, those instincts are made for a much more primal world, so the new options we have at our disposal in the modern age mean that many of our instincts drive people to in some way destroy life, which is what I consider to be the ultimate evil.
Prolly not. I'm pretty sure I'm a philosophical physicalist, which means I don't think there's anything in this world that you can't point to (except for forces and space and such). The human mind works on chemistry, and chemistry has no free will, so why would we? I'll admit that I'm not completely certain all of what goes into that little black box we call the consciousness, but still I find the constantly repeated notion that one's person and one's brain are distinct entities that work in conjunction to be humorous. Everything you "decide" was actually decided by a few billion neurons. Not to say that you don't decide things, because those few billion neurons are you, so anything they decide, you decide. But there is no amorphous "you" external to your brain.
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Humans are inherently evil. This is a result of the fall.
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
Hoo boy. This is a complicated one and I ain't always great at explaining things so forgive me if my wording is as clear as mud. I believe that God is in complete and total control of the world. Everything happens because he ordained it to happen. He is the author and we are the characters in the story. But does a story book character know what the author is writing? No. They have no idea what will happen next and so they are still responsible for their actions. This analogy isn't perfect but I hope it works. In short, yes free will exists, but so does predestination. The two aren't as opposed as people often think.
I think you've just got a different definition of free will than most people. Nobody sane claims that people aren't responsible for their actions just because they don't think people have free will. The concept of a lack of free will mostly goes as thus: two brains composed the exact same way, when given the exact same stimului, will always give the exact same response
Are you trying to say that there are tons of different options that the superphysical you could take, but they'd all eventually converge onto the exact moment in one way or another?
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Bible say that humanity was made in the image of God? I think it can be argued that humanity is innately good, and then all that evil stuff was just an extra layer what got added on later.
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
How I'm posting based on text formatting: Mod Hat Off - Mod Hat Also Off (I'm not a mod)
Humans are made in the image of God and they were good in the beginning. Then, through the fall, they became evil. Humans are now inherently evil. I get what you are saying, and that is why I used "inherently" instead of "innately" which I think is a better way to phrase the question. It gets the point across that humans are bad, while your definition makes it sound like humans are good, which isn't right. We start out wrong and will continue to be evil until redeemed by God's grace.
I think you are right. Forgive me for my weird definitions. I have heard people you have dubbed insane argue that way before and so I guess I was thinking of this differently than y'all.
I think that everything that will happen and has happened is under the complete control of God. Does this answer your question or am I still too far in theology and not in philosophy?
Would you mind offering a little more of an explanation? I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say.
I think they mean “What if we [the speaker] are not religious?”
I really like D&D, especially Ravenloft, Exandria and the Upside Down from Stranger Things. My pronouns are she/they (genderfae).
Oh. Missed that part. How fast is it going
"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen" - 1 Timothy 1:17
I would do it because I know I am saved and will go to see my savior in heaven when I die. I have no idea about the other person so I'll give them a chance to repent and accept Jesus as there savior.
"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen" - 1 Timothy 1:17
I would most certainly like to discuss theology with anyone who wants to. I will attempt to answer any questions you might have about Christianity. (not saying you will get a satisfactory answer I do not know everything.
"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen" - 1 Timothy 1:17
How would you pull a lever to change tracks if you are in the trolly
"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen" - 1 Timothy 1:17
I would love to but not tonight. I have to go to bed soon. I am also a Christian but I think I’m more liberal than you.
I really like D&D, especially Ravenloft, Exandria and the Upside Down from Stranger Things. My pronouns are she/they (genderfae).