Question : How, and based on what leads/rulings, does a bag of holding's dimensional space interact with time sensitive effects?
Originally, I thought of this question by fiddling around with the new cantrip featured in GGtR; Encode Thoughts.
However, this would also apply to objects that are subjected to time sensitive effects. I'm thinking of spells and features with durations that simpy rely on time passing, such as the Conjuration wizards minor conjuration, the Creation spell, Encode Thoughts, an object subjected to the Light cantrip... these sort of things.
I want to be specific here : these time sensitive effects exclude concentration effects because I assume the concentration durations refer to how long the PC can maintain concentration; I would assume that time is then calculated based on the time flow that the PC is experiencing; and if that's not right, well it still remains that such effects would be off topic here and could use a discussion of their own.
Now I know that it would be pretty simple to just brew up a common or uncommon container that keeps the thought strands created by the Encode Thoughts cantrips and resets their duration when they are taken out of it, and I know it can be all decided at the DM's whim, but i'm actually curious if there is a way this is supposed to work, deduced or intended from actual rulings.
Any leads and interpretations would be really appreciated!
What's the question here? Are you asking if the dimensional space inside a Bag of Holding operates on a different timescale, or freezes its contents in time? If so, I think the answer is no. Time passes just the same for things inside the bag as outside. That means spells with durations last the same amount of time even if some part of that spell goes into a bag of holding. Things might get more interesting if you cast a spell like Encode Thoughts, handed the ribbon to a Fey who then went wandering into the Feywild where time is known to flow differently...
yes when I say space, I mean dimensional space inside it.
May I ask, how do we deduce that time flows the same for objects outside as objects inside it?
The only lead I could pick up on is that the bag of holding can be used to make a portal to the astral plane, and when it's ripped the objects go in the astral plane... so the dimensional space would be linked to it in some way, and time doesn't really pass on the astral plane (it does but hella slowly...).
We deduce it first because it doesn't say that time behaves any differently than normal, and it would if that were the case. Secondly, the bag's description talks of how long a breathing creature can survive inside, so clearly the contents aren't frozen (and alongside that would be a perfect place to mention any strange temporal effects any contents are subject to).
Creatures breath in the astral plane as well no? Being a pocket dimension I understand that air is limited, but such a thing can happen to creatures in the astral plane as well, even with time being almost on a standstill; creatures can still be injured and die there after all.
However you do make a good point that it would be pointed out if it behaved differently. I came to learn that usually, when things would be pointed out in dnd, there most likely is a similar case where it actually is pointed out. I'll start looking into items more to see if I can find one that implies pocket planes and different time flows to make sure that the lack of precision is enough to ensure that time doesn't flow differently.
First of all, creatures don't age in the astral plane, but time still passes.
Second of all, dimension bending items like the bag of holding do not open into the astral plane anyway, they most likely connect to a demiplane. It is only when they break that they create portals to the astral plane, which makes sense because it is the plane between planes.
Of course. As I said, time passes but very slowly compared to the prime material plane. At least that’s what I could gather from the dmg and research on the astral plane in previous editions.
The question here is looking into the characteristics of that demiplane. The astral plane connects the prime material plane and the outer planes; NOT the prime and planes like shadowfell or the feywild. The demiplane reaching into the astral plane when it is broken makes it seem like the demiplane os pretty “far” from the prime material, so just how does time pass there is what I wonder. If it’s a pocket dimension related to the astral plane, it may or may not have a time flow similar to that of the astral plane.
According to the latest published adventure (Mad Mage), here is what 5e expects of the Astral plane and aging:
Githyanki tracking a splinter colony of mind flayers to Undermountain seized this level and turned what was once a crystalline maze into a fortress. From here, they launch attacks against the mind flayers on level 17. The githyanki also transformed Stardock into a crèche: a fortress dedicated to raising and training young warriors. Because creatures do not age on the Astral Plane, the githyanki must bring their offspring to the Material Plane to mature. Unfamiliar with the asteroid’s actual name, the githyanki refer to Stardock as Crèche K’liir.
That being said, there are not rules, notes, or memos that would point to items (which are not creatures) failing to suffer the effects of time while in a Bag of Holding.
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"The mongoose blew out its candle and was asleep in bed before the room went dark." —Llanowar fable
The DMG has that same text about aging without adventure spoilers.
As far as RAW is concerned, if a description does not say it does something, it doesn't do that. Bag of holding doesn't say time is different, so it isn't.
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Question : How, and based on what leads/rulings, does a bag of holding's dimensional space interact with time sensitive effects?
Originally, I thought of this question by fiddling around with the new cantrip featured in GGtR; Encode Thoughts.
However, this would also apply to objects that are subjected to time sensitive effects. I'm thinking of spells and features with durations that simpy rely on time passing, such as the Conjuration wizards minor conjuration, the Creation spell, Encode Thoughts, an object subjected to the Light cantrip... these sort of things.
I want to be specific here : these time sensitive effects exclude concentration effects because I assume the concentration durations refer to how long the PC can maintain concentration; I would assume that time is then calculated based on the time flow that the PC is experiencing; and if that's not right, well it still remains that such effects would be off topic here and could use a discussion of their own.
Now I know that it would be pretty simple to just brew up a common or uncommon container that keeps the thought strands created by the Encode Thoughts cantrips and resets their duration when they are taken out of it, and I know it can be all decided at the DM's whim, but i'm actually curious if there is a way this is supposed to work, deduced or intended from actual rulings.
Any leads and interpretations would be really appreciated!
What's the question here? Are you asking if the dimensional space inside a Bag of Holding operates on a different timescale, or freezes its contents in time? If so, I think the answer is no. Time passes just the same for things inside the bag as outside. That means spells with durations last the same amount of time even if some part of that spell goes into a bag of holding. Things might get more interesting if you cast a spell like Encode Thoughts, handed the ribbon to a Fey who then went wandering into the Feywild where time is known to flow differently...
yes when I say space, I mean dimensional space inside it.
May I ask, how do we deduce that time flows the same for objects outside as objects inside it?
The only lead I could pick up on is that the bag of holding can be used to make a portal to the astral plane, and when it's ripped the objects go in the astral plane... so the dimensional space would be linked to it in some way, and time doesn't really pass on the astral plane (it does but hella slowly...).
We deduce it first because it doesn't say that time behaves any differently than normal, and it would if that were the case. Secondly, the bag's description talks of how long a breathing creature can survive inside, so clearly the contents aren't frozen (and alongside that would be a perfect place to mention any strange temporal effects any contents are subject to).
Creatures breath in the astral plane as well no? Being a pocket dimension I understand that air is limited, but such a thing can happen to creatures in the astral plane as well, even with time being almost on a standstill; creatures can still be injured and die there after all.
However you do make a good point that it would be pointed out if it behaved differently. I came to learn that usually, when things would be pointed out in dnd, there most likely is a similar case where it actually is pointed out. I'll start looking into items more to see if I can find one that implies pocket planes and different time flows to make sure that the lack of precision is enough to ensure that time doesn't flow differently.
First of all, creatures don't age in the astral plane, but time still passes.
Second of all, dimension bending items like the bag of holding do not open into the astral plane anyway, they most likely connect to a demiplane. It is only when they break that they create portals to the astral plane, which makes sense because it is the plane between planes.
Of course. As I said, time passes but very slowly compared to the prime material plane. At least that’s what I could gather from the dmg and research on the astral plane in previous editions.
The question here is looking into the characteristics of that demiplane. The astral plane connects the prime material plane and the outer planes; NOT the prime and planes like shadowfell or the feywild. The demiplane reaching into the astral plane when it is broken makes it seem like the demiplane os pretty “far” from the prime material, so just how does time pass there is what I wonder. If it’s a pocket dimension related to the astral plane, it may or may not have a time flow similar to that of the astral plane.
I’m looking for RAW ot RAI regarding that topic!
According to the latest published adventure (Mad Mage), here is what 5e expects of the Astral plane and aging:
That being said, there are not rules, notes, or memos that would point to items (which are not creatures) failing to suffer the effects of time while in a Bag of Holding.
The DMG has that same text about aging without adventure spoilers.
As far as RAW is concerned, if a description does not say it does something, it doesn't do that. Bag of holding doesn't say time is different, so it isn't.