Can I, for example, create a cloak from Creation and then turn it into a brick wall? Can I turn it into an illusory wall?
Malleable illusion basically means you can recast the spell for free at the same level but don't reset duration and without needing the components.
So, yes, you can change the Creation into a different Creation. However, the duration will start getting complicated when you change the material used. If you had fabric for an hour then changed to precious gems, it would basically instantly disappear, since you've already had it up for over 10 minutes. Or you can work out the more equivalent rates to the exact number of seconds you should have remaining.. But frankly that's more math than is worth it.
Malleable Illusions is useful at avoiding having to spend another spell slot for your illusions but for some spells it's not needed or not as beneficial (like Creation).
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Having looked into this a little deeper, I disagree that it isn't as beneficial. Stone items created by Creation last 12 hours. That's huge. You really can cast Creation at the start of your adventuring day to create a cloak or a stick or a wooden ring or whatever and then turn it into something else without casting a spell when you need to.
For example, you use Minor Illusion to create an illusionary wall to hide behind. Now, behind that, you whip off your cloak and turn it into a stone wall.
Within a round or two, the enemy realizes that the wall they see is an illusion (the Minor Illusion) so they shoot through it. However, the wall that they don't see (the wall which is hidden behind the Minor Illusion) isi a real stone wall. So, they have no way of knowing that their arrows (which are passing through an illusionary wall) are bouncing harmlessly off a real stone wall.
You really can cast Creation at the start of your adventuring day to create a cloak or a stick or a wooden ring or whatever and then turn it into something else without casting a spell when you need to.
This is a really great use of the Creation spell for an Illusionist. Thanks for giving out that example. I am always happy to learn more applications of illusions in DnD 5e. :)
But, what I am not getting is why do Minor Illusion and Creation just create 5 feet-tall illusions (a 5-foot cube)? That means those are going to be a really short walls (created by each spell, respectively) that are not applicable for most situations. Although, for Creation you can upcast it and thus reach the necessary height of the illusion, but this means it is not as useful to learn the Creation spell immediately when one reaches the appropriate level for it. Am I missing something when reading these spells' descriptions?
Can I, for example, create a cloak from Creation and then turn it into a brick wall? Can I turn it into an illusory wall?
Malleable illusion basically means you can recast the spell for free at the same level but don't reset duration and without needing the components.
So, yes, you can change the Creation into a different Creation. However, the duration will start getting complicated when you change the material used. If you had fabric for an hour then changed to precious gems, it would basically instantly disappear, since you've already had it up for over 10 minutes. Or you can work out the more equivalent rates to the exact number of seconds you should have remaining.. But frankly that's more math than is worth it.
Malleable Illusions is useful at avoiding having to spend another spell slot for your illusions but for some spells it's not needed or not as beneficial (like Creation).
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Having looked into this a little deeper, I disagree that it isn't as beneficial. Stone items created by Creation last 12 hours. That's huge. You really can cast Creation at the start of your adventuring day to create a cloak or a stick or a wooden ring or whatever and then turn it into something else without casting a spell when you need to.
For example, you use Minor Illusion to create an illusionary wall to hide behind. Now, behind that, you whip off your cloak and turn it into a stone wall.
Within a round or two, the enemy realizes that the wall they see is an illusion (the Minor Illusion) so they shoot through it. However, the wall that they don't see (the wall which is hidden behind the Minor Illusion) isi a real stone wall. So, they have no way of knowing that their arrows (which are passing through an illusionary wall) are bouncing harmlessly off a real stone wall.
This is a really great use of the Creation spell for an Illusionist. Thanks for giving out that example. I am always happy to learn more applications of illusions in DnD 5e. :)
But, what I am not getting is why do Minor Illusion and Creation just create 5 feet-tall illusions (a 5-foot cube)? That means those are going to be a really short walls (created by each spell, respectively) that are not applicable for most situations. Although, for Creation you can upcast it and thus reach the necessary height of the illusion, but this means it is not as useful to learn the Creation spell immediately when one reaches the appropriate level for it. Am I missing something when reading these spells' descriptions?