I have a lvl 4 divination wizard, I want to take the "Fey Touched" feat, tho I read some contradictory information regarding this. 2 questions:
1. After I use either of the spells (misty step or 1st lvl spell choice) for the first time (without a spell slot). Do I need to have them prepared before (in my long rest) if I want to cast them again, now using appropriate spell slots? Or do these count as "always prepared "? Meaning prepared - but not counting to my maximum of prepared spells?
2. If I choose INT as my upgraded stat, and as my second spell I chose "Dissonant Whisper", will INT save throw now be the required check instead of a WIS save throw? The feat says: "The spells’ spellcasting ability is the ability increased by this feat."
Functionally speaking, they'll act like they're always prepared, but the spell that isn't Misty Step is not converted to being a wizard spell - if you used the feat to pick up a non-wizard spell, it's still a non-wizard spell.
No. You use your spellcasting ability to determine your save DCs, not which save a spell calls for. In this case, the save DC for Dissonant Whispers (which, as I just mentioned, would be a Bard spell you can cast, not a wizard spell you can cast) would be calculated the same way as for your wizard spells: with your INT.
Functionally speaking, they'll act like they're always prepared, but the spell that isn't Misty Step is not converted to being a wizard spell - if you used the feat to pick up a non-wizard spell, it's still a non-wizard spell.
No. You use your spellcasting ability to determine your save DCs, not which save a spell calls for. In this case, the save DC for Dissonant Whispers (which, as I just mentioned, would be a Bard spell you can cast, not a wizard spell you can cast) would be calculated the same way as for your wizard spells: with your INT.
1. I see, but if I can use the "non-wizard" spell using my spell slots anyway, what is the significance of it not being a wizard spell? Is there some downside?
No downside at first glance, but some magic items or particular abilities could be impacted. Maybe you wouldn’t be able to create a Misty Step or Dissonant Whisper scroll?
Regardless of that, this feat is amazing for Wizards and give amazing options!
No downside at first glance, but some magic items or particular abilities could be impacted. Maybe you wouldn’t be able to create a Misty Step or Dissonant Whisper scroll?
Regardless of that, this feat is amazing for Wizards and give amazing options!
Characters can make spell scrolls of any spell they know.
For DMG crafting rules a character only needs to expend a spell slot of the appropriate level for the spell. Other than the crafting time and cost there's no other requirements. In XGTE the requirements beyond time and cost are proficiency with Arcana and having the spell prepped or known. The feat specifically says you learn the spell. So it is considered a spell you know. You can therefore create spell scrolls of the chosen spells, regardless of which crafting rules the DM uses.
The downside of the chosen non-wizard spells being non-wizard spells would but some of your class features would not work with them. For example, if you were a School of Evocation Wizard then your 10th and 14th level subclass features, Empowered Evocation & Overchannel, could not be used since these feature specifically mention "wizard spell". Similarly the main class features for 18th and 20th levels, Spell Mastery & Signature Spells, also could not work for the chosen spells for similar reasons.
There are some downsides to consider. However, even with this it is a great feat.
1. After I use either of the spells (misty step or 1st lvl spell choice) for the first time (without a spell slot). Do I need to have them prepared before (in my long rest) if I want to cast them again, now using appropriate spell slots? Or do these count as "always prepared "? Meaning prepared - but not counting to my maximum of prepared spells?
The spells you choose are not always prepared and don't count towards any known/prepared limits. They are considered a spell you know so Misty Step, which is a wizard spell, and the spell you chose if a Wizard spell, could be added to your spellbook if you spend the time and cost to add it. Whether you do that or not - you can always the spell using any spell slots you have, without needing the spell prepared, and can cast it once at base level for free every day.
2. If I choose INT as my upgraded stat, and as my second spell I chose "Dissonant Whisper", will INT save throw now be the required check instead of a WIS save throw? The feat says: "The spells’ spellcasting ability is the ability increased by this feat."
The spellcasting ability for a spell is what you use to determine the spell attack bonus and saving throw DC. A spell attack bonus is determine by your proficiency bonus plus the spellcasting ability modifier. A Save DC is calculating as 8 + your proficiency bonus + your spellcasting ability modifier.
So let's say you chose Intelligence and had an Intelligence score of 16 (+3 mod) and proficiency bonus of +2. This means if you chose an attack spell the attack bonus would be +5. If you chose a 'save' type then your spell save DC would be 13. So if you chose Dissonant Whispers which requires a Wisdom saving throw, they would need to roll 1d20, add their Wisdom modifier and their proficiency bonus if proficient with Wisdom saving throws and compare this result to your save DC of 13 : on a 13 or higher, they save, on a 12 or lower they fail.
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You may want to read the Spellcasting feature for the Wizard and the Spellcasting section in the PHB (or Basic Rules) to learn about spellcasting.
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2. If I choose INT as my upgraded stat, and as my second spell I chose "Dissonant Whisper", will INT save throw now be the required check instead of a WIS save throw? The feat says: "The spells’ spellcasting ability is the ability increased by this feat."
The spellcasting ability for a spell is what you use to determine the spell attack bonus and saving throw DC. A spell attack bonus is determine by your proficiency bonus plus the spellcasting ability modifier. A Save DC is calculating as 8 + your proficiency bonus + your spellcasting ability modifier.
So let's say you chose Intelligence and had an Intelligence score of 16 (+3 mod) and proficiency bonus of +2. This means if you chose an attack spell the attack bonus would be +5. If you chose a 'save' type then your spell save DC would be 13. So if you chose Dissonant Whispers which requires a Wisdom saving throw, they would need to roll 1d20, add their Wisdom modifier and their proficiency bonus if proficient with Wisdom saving throws and compare this result to your save DC of 13 : on a 13 or higher, they save, on a 12 or lower they fail.
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You may want to read the Spellcasting feature for the Wizard and the Spellcasting section in the PHB (or Basic Rules) to learn about spellcasting.
All right so basically for my choice - Dissonant Whispers: If I boost INT with the feat - then INT will be used as the spellcasting ability instead of it defaultly being a CHA-risma based spell for Bards. Therefore my INT modifier (+4) and my proficiency bonus (+2) will determin the spells DC @ 14. But it still will be a WIS saving throw that is needed. Got it.
Regarding spells downsides as I have a divination Wizard, I think other than Spell mastery @ lvl 18 there should not be any down sides to it not being a Wizard spell (maybe some items will not have an effect on it?).
Was thinking for days which Feat to choose, this was a hard choice. Alert and warcaster seem so great. But since I already have the Lucky feat + portant, the main attraction of warcaster (con saves advantage) can be kinda supplemented by those. And Alert I figure is very useful but I`ll pick it up later. Since my INT is already @ 18 my plan is to pump it to 20 by level 8 by getting "fey touched" and either shadow touched/telekinetic/telepathic @ level 8 and then pick Alert on lvl 12. Hope I`ll get there eventually :)
Functionally speaking, they'll act like they're always prepared, but the spell that isn't Misty Step is not converted to being a wizard spell - if you used the feat to pick up a non-wizard spell, it's still a non-wizard spell.
No. You use your spellcasting ability to determine your save DCs, not which save a spell calls for. In this case, the save DC for Dissonant Whispers (which, as I just mentioned, would be a Bard spell you can cast, not a wizard spell you can cast) would be calculated the same way as for your wizard spells: with your INT.
1. I see, but if I can use the "non-wizard" spell using my spell slots anyway, what is the significance of it not being a wizard spell? Is there some downside?
Thank you for the quick reply quindraco ;)
Sorry, didn't see this yesterday.
As an example of a downside in your example, Misty Step will go into your spellbook but Dissonant Whispers will not (which could matter for teaching a fellow wizard spells), and more importantly, the 3rd level wizard ability from Tasha's, Cantrip Formulas, won't work on Dissonant Whispers - i.e. you can't swap it out later like you can your wizard cantrips.
Functionally speaking, they'll act like they're always prepared, but the spell that isn't Misty Step is not converted to being a wizard spell - if you used the feat to pick up a non-wizard spell, it's still a non-wizard spell.
No. You use your spellcasting ability to determine your save DCs, not which save a spell calls for. In this case, the save DC for Dissonant Whispers (which, as I just mentioned, would be a Bard spell you can cast, not a wizard spell you can cast) would be calculated the same way as for your wizard spells: with your INT.
1. I see, but if I can use the "non-wizard" spell using my spell slots anyway, what is the significance of it not being a wizard spell? Is there some downside?
Thank you for the quick reply quindraco ;)
Sorry, didn't see this yesterday.
As an example of a downside in your example, Misty Step will go into your spellbook but Dissonant Whispers will not (which could matter for teaching a fellow wizard spells), and more importantly, the 3rd level wizard ability from Tasha's, Cantrip Formulas, won't work on Dissonant Whispers - i.e. you can't swap it out later like you can your wizard cantrips.
Dissonant Whispers can't be used with optional feature Cantrip Formulas. It's not a cantrip.
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No downside at first glance, but some magic items or particular abilities could be impacted. Maybe you wouldn’t be able to create a Misty Step or Dissonant Whisper scroll?
Regardless of that, this feat is amazing for Wizards and give amazing options!
Sounds great I`m really excited to get the feat, I think it will fit my campaign just right by adding some versatility :)
Functionally speaking, they'll act like they're always prepared, but the spell that isn't Misty Step is not converted to being a wizard spell - if you used the feat to pick up a non-wizard spell, it's still a non-wizard spell.
No. You use your spellcasting ability to determine your save DCs, not which save a spell calls for. In this case, the save DC for Dissonant Whispers (which, as I just mentioned, would be a Bard spell you can cast, not a wizard spell you can cast) would be calculated the same way as for your wizard spells: with your INT.
1. I see, but if I can use the "non-wizard" spell using my spell slots anyway, what is the significance of it not being a wizard spell? Is there some downside?
Thank you for the quick reply quindraco ;)
Sorry, didn't see this yesterday.
As an example of a downside in your example, Misty Step will go into your spellbook but Dissonant Whispers will not (which could matter for teaching a fellow wizard spells), and more importantly, the 3rd level wizard ability from Tasha's, Cantrip Formulas, won't work on Dissonant Whispers - i.e. you can't swap it out later like you can your wizard cantrips.
Dissonant Whispers can't be used with optional feature Cantrip Formulas. It's not a cantrip.
Oh, my bad. Ok, then I'll stick with my original example: it won't be in the spellbook, so it can't be taught to other wizards.
Thanks everyone for your points, I appreciate it!
I think Dissonant Whisper is such an awesome spell especially for our party of 7 (lots of aoo :)) that I won`t mind not being able to change it with the cantrip forumlas change... :)
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Hi fellow adventureres.
I have a lvl 4 divination wizard, I want to take the "Fey Touched" feat, tho I read some contradictory information regarding this. 2 questions:
1. After I use either of the spells (misty step or 1st lvl spell choice) for the first time (without a spell slot). Do I need to have them prepared before (in my long rest) if I want to cast them again, now using appropriate spell slots? Or do these count as "always prepared "? Meaning prepared - but not counting to my maximum of prepared spells?
2. If I choose INT as my upgraded stat, and as my second spell I chose "Dissonant Whisper", will INT save throw now be the required check instead of a WIS save throw? The feat says: "The spells’ spellcasting ability is the ability increased by this feat."
Thank you in advance for any hints.
1. I see, but if I can use the "non-wizard" spell using my spell slots anyway, what is the significance of it not being a wizard spell? Is there some downside?
Thank you for the quick reply quindraco ;)
No downside at first glance, but some magic items or particular abilities could be impacted. Maybe you wouldn’t be able to create a Misty Step or Dissonant Whisper scroll?
Regardless of that, this feat is amazing for Wizards and give amazing options!
Characters can make spell scrolls of any spell they know.
For DMG crafting rules a character only needs to expend a spell slot of the appropriate level for the spell. Other than the crafting time and cost there's no other requirements. In XGTE the requirements beyond time and cost are proficiency with Arcana and having the spell prepped or known. The feat specifically says you learn the spell. So it is considered a spell you know. You can therefore create spell scrolls of the chosen spells, regardless of which crafting rules the DM uses.
The downside of the chosen non-wizard spells being non-wizard spells would but some of your class features would not work with them. For example, if you were a School of Evocation Wizard then your 10th and 14th level subclass features, Empowered Evocation & Overchannel, could not be used since these feature specifically mention "wizard spell". Similarly the main class features for 18th and 20th levels, Spell Mastery & Signature Spells, also could not work for the chosen spells for similar reasons.
There are some downsides to consider. However, even with this it is a great feat.
The spells you choose are not always prepared and don't count towards any known/prepared limits. They are considered a spell you know so Misty Step, which is a wizard spell, and the spell you chose if a Wizard spell, could be added to your spellbook if you spend the time and cost to add it. Whether you do that or not - you can always the spell using any spell slots you have, without needing the spell prepared, and can cast it once at base level for free every day.
The spellcasting ability for a spell is what you use to determine the spell attack bonus and saving throw DC. A spell attack bonus is determine by your proficiency bonus plus the spellcasting ability modifier. A Save DC is calculating as 8 + your proficiency bonus + your spellcasting ability modifier.
So let's say you chose Intelligence and had an Intelligence score of 16 (+3 mod) and proficiency bonus of +2. This means if you chose an attack spell the attack bonus would be +5. If you chose a 'save' type then your spell save DC would be 13. So if you chose Dissonant Whispers which requires a Wisdom saving throw, they would need to roll 1d20, add their Wisdom modifier and their proficiency bonus if proficient with Wisdom saving throws and compare this result to your save DC of 13 : on a 13 or higher, they save, on a 12 or lower they fail.
-
You may want to read the Spellcasting feature for the Wizard and the Spellcasting section in the PHB (or Basic Rules) to learn about spellcasting.
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All right so basically for my choice - Dissonant Whispers: If I boost INT with the feat - then INT will be used as the spellcasting ability instead of it defaultly being a CHA-risma based spell for Bards. Therefore my INT modifier (+4) and my proficiency bonus (+2) will determin the spells DC @ 14. But it still will be a WIS saving throw that is needed. Got it.
Regarding spells downsides as I have a divination Wizard, I think other than Spell mastery @ lvl 18 there should not be any down sides to it not being a Wizard spell (maybe some items will not have an effect on it?).
Was thinking for days which Feat to choose, this was a hard choice. Alert and warcaster seem so great. But since I already have the Lucky feat + portant, the main attraction of warcaster (con saves advantage) can be kinda supplemented by those. And Alert I figure is very useful but I`ll pick it up later. Since my INT is already @ 18 my plan is to pump it to 20 by level 8 by getting "fey touched" and either shadow touched/telekinetic/telepathic @ level 8 and then pick Alert on lvl 12. Hope I`ll get there eventually :)
Thank you very much for your inputs@ Cyb3rM1nd and Ir0ns0ul.
Sorry, didn't see this yesterday.
As an example of a downside in your example, Misty Step will go into your spellbook but Dissonant Whispers will not (which could matter for teaching a fellow wizard spells), and more importantly, the 3rd level wizard ability from Tasha's, Cantrip Formulas, won't work on Dissonant Whispers - i.e. you can't swap it out later like you can your wizard cantrips.
Dissonant Whispers can't be used with optional feature Cantrip Formulas. It's not a cantrip.
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Oh, my bad. Ok, then I'll stick with my original example: it won't be in the spellbook, so it can't be taught to other wizards.
Sounds great I`m really excited to get the feat, I think it will fit my campaign just right by adding some versatility :)
Thanks everyone for your points, I appreciate it!
I think Dissonant Whisper is such an awesome spell especially for our party of 7 (lots of aoo :)) that I won`t mind not being able to change it with the cantrip forumlas change... :)