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Will you enable us to redeem physical proof of sourcebooks to have digital copies so we don't have to purchase it twice?

 will you take two seconds and realize that this questions has been asked literally over 100 times? if you actually read this thread you will know the answer to this question, and that is we do not know but there are very strong arguments that the answer is no.

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Will you enable us to redeem physical proof of sourcebooks to have digital copies so we don't have to purchase it twice?

 will you take two seconds and realize that this questions has been asked literally over 100 times? if you actually read this thread you will know the answer to this question, and that is we do not know but there are very strong arguments that the answer is no.

Responses like this make communicating on the internet exhausting. If you don't want to talk to people then don't respond. This is a forum not a wiki. I think people should ask this question over and over until it happens. Drive up their support costs until they cave.

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 DDB takes additional time and resources to not only create but to manage and host online to be able to get the functionality that it provides. the fee they charge to buy this extra content. which is already about 40% cheaper (more during sales and if you have the legendary bundle purchase) then the physical books is incredibly reasonable for what you receive.

It financially makes no sense for any company to give this product away for free with the purchase of a physical copy of the book. They would lose money in the long run. 

Also companies that do give digital copys, do not do it for free, they build it into the cost of their product. Take movies for example. buying a copy of the movie with a digital download compared to that same movie without one is generally $5 more. Some gaming companies bundle digital and physical for a higher price. others include it automatically with no option of buying just the physical.  They account for that adisnal product in the cost of the book itself.

The cost of hosting and maintaining the online tools is more than made up for by the subscription cost which is required these days given how prolific online play is. Most people that buy the content are going to sub so their group can use it. And imho these tools are not nearly as good as they could be, but I'm drifting away from my point.

When you buy a physical book you get: Content + Physical Material. When you buy a pdf you get: Content + Convenience. When you buy access on dndbeyond you get: Content + Tool integration. People don't want to pay for the same content over and over and over. I want to pay for all these things I will pay for: Content + Convenience + Physical Material + Tool integration. I will pay the cost of all these things and it's not double or triple. 

Now that wotc owns dndbeyond the previous reasons no longer exist. It was all about licensing and who gets the cut. Now there's no excuse. Give us a bundle. This isn't some little indie publisher just scraping by this company is the most profitable and well recognized ttrpg company. They can figure out a way to make it work.

Other TTRPG publishers with a much smaller pool of resources do give away the pdf for free actually. Not all of them but many. 

So ... When will we be able to make a single fair purchase to get a physical book, pdf and dndbeyond access?

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Quote from Unrefined_Kaos >>

Will you enable us to redeem physical proof of sourcebooks to have digital copies so we don't have to purchase it twice?

 will you take two seconds and realize that this questions has been asked literally over 100 times? if you actually read this thread you will know the answer to this question, and that is we do not know but there are very strong arguments that the answer is no.

 

Responses like this make communicating on the internet exhausting. If you don't want to talk to people then don't respond. This is a forum not a wiki. I think people should ask this question over and over until it happens. Drive up their support costs until they cave.

 

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 DDB takes additional time and resources to not only create but to manage and host online to be able to get the functionality that it provides. the fee they charge to buy this extra content. which is already about 40% cheaper (more during sales and if you have the legendary bundle purchase) then the physical books is incredibly reasonable for what you receive.

It financially makes no sense for any company to give this product away for free with the purchase of a physical copy of the book. They would lose money in the long run. 

Also companies that do give digital copys, do not do it for free, they build it into the cost of their product. Take movies for example. buying a copy of the movie with a digital download compared to that same movie without one is generally $5 more. Some gaming companies bundle digital and physical for a higher price. others include it automatically with no option of buying just the physical.  They account for that adisnal product in the cost of the book itself.

 

The cost of hosting and maintaining the online tools is more than made up for by the subscription cost which is required these days given how prolific online play is. Most people that buy the content are going to sub so their group can use it. And imho these tools are not nearly as good as they could be, but I'm drifting away from my point.

When you buy a physical book you get: Content + Physical Material. When you buy a pdf you get: Content + Convenience. When you buy access on dndbeyond you get: Content + Tool integration. People don't want to pay for the same content over and over and over. I want to pay for all these things I will pay for: Content + Convenience + Physical Material + Tool integration. I will pay the cost of all these things and it's not double or triple. 

Now that wotc owns dndbeyond the previous reasons no longer exist. It was all about licensing and who gets the cut. Now there's no excuse. Give us a bundle. This isn't some little indie publisher just scraping by this company is the most profitable and well recognized ttrpg company. They can figure out a way to make it work.

Other TTRPG publishers with a much smaller pool of resources do give away the pdf for free actually. Not all of them but many. 

So ... When will we be able to make a single fair purchase to get a physical book, pdf and dndbeyond access?

 no they do not give it for free, as I said they build it into their pricing structer. you just think they are giving it for free because you only see the final price. And as I said the cost of creating DDB toolset costs money. so they will need to recoup that cost as well as make a profit. They will also need to recoup their investment cost of buying the service.

they will most likely never bundle it all together. it makes no busienss sense for them to do that. DDB content is already 40% cheaper then the physical copies to begin with. 

They FAILED. All my content is GONE!!

Typical for this mess of a company.

Why would I take the time to find it when people like you will so kindly answer it for me? :)

goodness gracious WOTC, get it the frick together

I protest with my wallet.
 

That's fair.

I am glad i left when i did i posted several times that this was going to happen when this  site was bought out and everytime mods removed my post saying i was being hyperbolic or gaslighting glad to see I was right. I have taken it a step further and anything under the Hasbro umbrella is now boycotted by my Immediate and many of my extended family members

Gary Gygax is in danger of interfering with the earths rotation hes spinning so fast in his grave

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Will you enable us to redeem physical proof of sourcebooks to have digital copies so we don't have to purchase it twice?

 will you take two seconds and realize that this questions has been asked literally over 100 times? if you actually read this thread you will know the answer to this question, and that is we do not know but there are very strong arguments that the answer is no.

 will YOU take 2 seconds to realize no one but you thinks you're a tough guy but you. Every1 sees just some signposting kid on the internet that feels safe talking tough behind the autonomy of his keyboard

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Will Wizards own my homebrew content created on D&D Beyond?

Wizards has no intent of taking ownership over user content you put on D&D Beyond, and the Terms of Service will not grant us such rights. The permissions we will need for user content will relate to allowing us to operate the D&D Beyond service, including displaying that content on our site.

 

This is a misleading answer. According to their ToS:

5.2.License to Wizards. By posting or submitting any User Content to or through the Websites, Games, or Services, you hereby irrevocably grant to Wizards a worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, non-exclusive, and fully sublicensable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such User Content (in whole or in part) in any media and to incorporate the User Content into other works in any format or medium now known or later developed. The foregoing grants shall include the right to: (i) exploit any proprietary rights in such User Content, including but not limited to, rights under copyright, trademark or patent laws under any relevant jurisdiction; (ii) your name, likeness, and any other information included in your User Content, without any obligation to you. You waive any and all claims that any use by us or our licensees of your User Content violates any of your rights, including moral rights, privacy rights, rights to publicity, proprietary, attribution, or other rights, and rights to any material or ideas contained in your User Content.

 

So technically they are not lying; they are not assuming copyright ownertship. However, they are getting a free license to use your homebrew any way they like without crediting you or paying royalties. They can publish your homebrew class in a book, and if they change even a single word, it becomes a derivative work that they (not you) own the copyright to. The license explicitly gives them the right to do this. I'm going to be extremely careful when deciding what to put on D&D Beyond from here on out.

 This is a misleading comment. The quoted part of the FAQ explicitly explains why they legally need the rights you license them.

 

The FAQ does claim to have a reasoning for this, but this is extremely permissive language for what the FAQ claims they need. As someone who regularly creates IP for a living, I would never consent to terms like that unless I doing work for hire.

Wow. This aged well.

Pathfinder both versions are free....not a book, but a website...this is all you need..... https://www.aonprd.com/

I posted my Pathfinder purchase to show Hasbro and WotC, you lost money, and that is minimum, as I own all publications soft/hardcover (imagine the compound lost over time I won't be investing into expanding the D&D world, as I'm afraid my creative rights, and 3rd party creative freedoms, which produce a lot great content, has been stifled and hobbled, will be stolen).

Wizards buys dnd beyond and not 7 months later is trying to fight the community they are a part of not the leaders of wizards will go under if they change the OGL because the community will just leave them and take its money with it 

I will never again buy anything D&D. Not only has the quality of your products dropped incredibly sharply,  but this is the nail in your coffin.  Please go out of business,  WotC. Choke on your greed and regret. You're not getting another single red penny from me

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I will never again buy anything D&D. Not only has the quality of your products dropped incredibly sharply,  but this is the nail in your coffin.  Please go out of business,  WotC. Choke on your greed and regret. You're not getting another single red penny from me

My thoughts

5.2.License to Wizards. By posting or submitting any User Content to or through the Websites, Games, or Services, you hereby irrevocably grant to Wizards a worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, non-exclusive, and fully sublicensable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such User Content (in whole or in part) in any media and to incorporate the User Content into other works in any format or medium now known or later developed. The foregoing grants shall include the right to: (i) exploit any proprietary rights in such User Content, including but not limited to, rights under copyright, trademark or patent laws under any relevant jurisdiction; (ii) your name, likeness, and any other information included in your User Content, without any obligation to you. You waive any and all claims that any use by us or our licensees of your User Content violates any of your rights, including moral rights, privacy rights, rights to publicity, proprietary, attribution, or other rights, and rights to any material or ideas contained in your User Content.

I think the most creepy parts are:

the right to: (i) exploit

(ii) your name

You waive any and all claims that any use by us [...] violates any of your rights, including moral rights

Creepy and bizarre.

Clearly the fame (but mostly the capital:  $11,385,449) raised by Critical Role got their attention and they thought:   

"Tiny Gods!  We could be making a MINT off of other people's stories!  Let them write the content. Let them do all the promotion (via their own live streams) and then at any point when a certain story line is hot... We just take their already uploaded art work, animate it, turn it into a cartoon and stream it on Amazon Prime!"

Because otherwise- why now?  Why D&D?    The answer is always:   $

So clearly they fully intend to monetize your content.  Otherwise - why pay lawyer$ to include all that language if not to make u$e of it.

" you hereby irrevocably grant to Wizards a worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, non-exclusive, and fully sublicensable license to your soul" sign in blood here ~Satan