I'm not doing a homebrew - just basic multiclass and adding Warlock level 1 Pact of the Fiend to an existing Sorcerer.
It says:
The Fiend lets you choose from an expanded list of spells when you learn a warlock spell. The following spells are added to the warlock spell list for you.
1st Burning Hands, Command
It doesn't add those spells to the character sheet and as far as I can see it's not possible to manually add them.
Is this a bug, or a rule written somewhere else that you don't get expanded spells when you multiclass, or I'm not using the interface right?
Warlocks work differently than other casters. you automatically get the spells listed as “expanded.” Instead they are added to the list of spells from which you choose those you know. The aren’t extra/additional spells over and above those you pick.
That doesn't make sense. A first level Warlock only has two known 1st level spells, so this doesn't even seem like a benefit. Who would take Command spell in this situation, lol? Command should be a cantrip, tbh. lol
If they don't count towards spells know then yeah it's a benefit like with other classes. But otherwise it's kind of like a non-benefit especially when other classes get the extra known spells.
As I said, warlocks don’t work like other casters. Technically speaking, they don’t have spell casting, they have Pact Magic. It’s a different beast. If you have a problem with it, you will need to take it up with WOTC, as they are the ones who write the rules, not DDB.
Well, WOTC position is basically run / DM your game however you want, lol.
It's only when I'm evaluating DDB and how easy it is to customize and whether it's worth the subscription or not. So far I've only used DDB for the source books but the inflexibility of the interface just doesn't seem like a good "basket" to put all my eggs into.
Unless something is written more clearly somewhere else in the core rules, the RAW isn't really clear and it's open to interpretation either way. Maybe somewhere in some interview someone said something that led DDB to make interpret it one way and so that became DDB "house rules". The result is anyone who uses DDB has to either use the DDB house rules interpretation of RAW or spend hours completely re-writing their own house rules.
As a DM I'd probably just let a warlock add those spells just like any other class. It's not unbalancing if all classes expanded spells are treated the same.
And it seems that a more flexible DM style doesn't fit with DDB subscription model.
So no, it isn't really WOTC - their position is and always has been to let DM's run their games however they want and if I went into the forum there they'd probably say "Do whatever you want to do." lol
My decision is whether to spend money on a monthly subscription to DDB or just use my VTT which is more flexible for all my character sheet needs.
Huh? Your cited text clearly shows that RAW the expanded spells are only added to the warlock spell list and not to the spells you automatically know (like how domain spells work for clerics).
Warlock expanded spell list
The Fiend lets you choose from an expanded list of spells when you learn a warlock spell. The following spells are added to the warlock spell list for you.
vs.
Cleric Domain Spells
Each domain has a list of spells — its domain spells — that you gain at the cleric levels noted in the domain description. Once you gain a domain spell, you always have it prepared, and it doesn’t count against the number of spells you can prepare each day.
or
Sorcerer Aberrant Mind psionic spells
You learn additional spells when you reach certain levels in this class, as shown on the Psionic Spells table.
As for homebrew solutions, you can just add those spells to your character sheet using either a custom background, race, or subclass.
Huh? Your cited text clearly shows that RAW the expanded spells are only added to the warlock spell list and not to the spells you automatically know (like how domain spells work for clerics).
Warlock expanded spell list
The Fiend lets you choose from an expanded list of spells when you learn a warlock spell. The following spells are added to the warlock spell list for you.
vs.
Cleric Domain Spells
Each domain has a list of spells — its domain spells — that you gain at the cleric levels noted in the domain description. Once you gain a domain spell, you always have it prepared, and it doesn’t count against the number of spells you can prepare each day.
or
Sorcerer Aberrant Mind psionic spells
You learn additional spells when you reach certain levels in this class, as shown on the Psionic Spells table.
As for homebrew solutions, you can just add those spells to your character sheet using either a custom background, race, or subclass.
Ok, so yes when compared to other entries in other places in the core rules it's not crystal clear, but it is clearer. That was part of my original question, if there were other rules written somewhere. So in comparison to how they wrote other rules for other classes, the wording of the Warlock rule has to be interpreted in light of the wording of rules elsewhere to get the full meaning. Thanks.
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I'm not doing a homebrew - just basic multiclass and adding Warlock level 1 Pact of the Fiend to an existing Sorcerer.
It says:
The Fiend lets you choose from an expanded list of spells when you learn a warlock spell. The following spells are added to the warlock spell list for you.
1st Burning Hands, Command
It doesn't add those spells to the character sheet and as far as I can see it's not possible to manually add them.
Is this a bug, or a rule written somewhere else that you don't get expanded spells when you multiclass, or I'm not using the interface right?
Here's the Character sheet:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/profile/Ray808/characters/57797423
Warlocks work differently than other casters. you automatically get the spells listed as “expanded.” Instead they are added to the list of spells from which you choose those you know. The aren’t extra/additional spells over and above those you pick.
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That doesn't make sense.
A first level Warlock only has two known 1st level spells, so this doesn't even seem like a benefit. Who would take Command spell in this situation, lol? Command should be a cantrip, tbh. lol
If they don't count towards spells know then yeah it's a benefit like with other classes. But otherwise it's kind of like a non-benefit especially when other classes get the extra known spells.
As I said, warlocks don’t work like other casters. Technically speaking, they don’t have spell casting, they have Pact Magic. It’s a different beast. If you have a problem with it, you will need to take it up with WOTC, as they are the ones who write the rules, not DDB.
Trying to Decide if DDB is for you? A few helpful threads: A Buyer's Guide to DDB; What I/We Bought and Why; How some DMs use DDB; A Newer Thread on Using DDB to Play
Helpful threads on other topics: Homebrew FAQ by IamSposta; Accessing Content by ConalTheGreat;
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Well, WOTC position is basically run / DM your game however you want, lol.
It's only when I'm evaluating DDB and how easy it is to customize and whether it's worth the subscription or not. So far I've only used DDB for the source books but the inflexibility of the interface just doesn't seem like a good "basket" to put all my eggs into.
Unless something is written more clearly somewhere else in the core rules, the RAW isn't really clear and it's open to interpretation either way. Maybe somewhere in some interview someone said something that led DDB to make interpret it one way and so that became DDB "house rules". The result is anyone who uses DDB has to either use the DDB house rules interpretation of RAW or spend hours completely re-writing their own house rules.
As a DM I'd probably just let a warlock add those spells just like any other class. It's not unbalancing if all classes expanded spells are treated the same.
And it seems that a more flexible DM style doesn't fit with DDB subscription model.
So no, it isn't really WOTC - their position is and always has been to let DM's run their games however they want and if I went into the forum there they'd probably say "Do whatever you want to do." lol
My decision is whether to spend money on a monthly subscription to DDB or just use my VTT which is more flexible for all my character sheet needs.
Huh? Your cited text clearly shows that RAW the expanded spells are only added to the warlock spell list and not to the spells you automatically know (like how domain spells work for clerics).
As for homebrew solutions, you can just add those spells to your character sheet using either a custom background, race, or subclass.
Ok, so yes when compared to other entries in other places in the core rules it's not crystal clear, but it is clearer. That was part of my original question, if there were other rules written somewhere. So in comparison to how they wrote other rules for other classes, the wording of the Warlock rule has to be interpreted in light of the wording of rules elsewhere to get the full meaning. Thanks.