So, let's assume you have a multi-class of a Soul Knife Rogue and a martial class like Fighter or Ranger that has obtained Multi-attack at level 5.
You can manifest your psionic power as shimmering blades of psychic energy. Whenever you take the Attack action, you can manifest a psychic blade from your free hand and make the attack with that blade. This magic blade is a simple melee weapon with the finesse and thrown properties. It has a normal range of 60 feet and no long range, and on a hit, it deals psychic damage equal to 1d6 plus the ability modifier you used for the attack roll. The blade vanishes immediately after it hits or misses its target, and it leaves no mark on its target if it deals damage.
How does Psychic Blade interact with Multi-attack? It specifically states when you take the Attack Action, and I get all kinds of confused when they refer to "Attack Action" vs the lower case "attack". I am interpreting this that you only summon a single blade in free hand at the BEGINNING of said Attack Action, and you do not summon another blade on each subsequent weapon attack. Is this how it is interpreted or is there a clarification anywhere?
So, let's assume you have a multi-class of a Soul Knife Rogue and a martial class like Fighter or Ranger that has obtained Multi-attack at level 5.
You can manifest your psionic power as shimmering blades of psychic energy. Whenever you take the Attack action, you can manifest a psychic blade from your free hand and make the attack with that blade. This magic blade is a simple melee weapon with the finesse and thrown properties. It has a normal range of 60 feet and no long range, and on a hit, it deals psychic damage equal to 1d6 plus the ability modifier you used for the attack roll. The blade vanishes immediately after it hits or misses its target, and it leaves no mark on its target if it deals damage.
How does Psychic Blade interact with Multi-attack? It specifically states when you take the Attack Action, and I get all kinds of confused when they refer to "Attack Action" vs the lower case "attack". I am interpreting this that you only summon a single blade in free hand at the BEGINNING of said Attack Action, and you do not summon another blade on each subsequent weapon attack. Is this how it is interpreted or is there a clarification anywhere?
You mean Extra Attack. Multiattack is a real thing in 5E that PCs can get - it's distinct from Extra Attack.
You interpret correctly. You get 1 blade for your Attack Action and 1 for your Bonus Action, which must come second. You get no other blades at all, which is why Soul Knives can't make OAs with their psychic blades.
Ahhh. yes. I should know better the difference between Multi-Attack and Extra Attack.. I play a moon druid half the time ;-/
But thank you for confirming the RAW of it quindraco. I understood why Psychic Blades didn't with Opportunity Attacks, as the writing for Opportunity attacks specifically calls out a melee Attack... and not Attack action... but I guess its the same logic isn't it? thanks regardless
And ArntItheBest, a 3 or 4 level dip (or rather start) for a Rogue - Ranger multi-class is actually quite effective and common from my experience. If I were DMing, I personally wouldn't allow it unless the player could convince me otherwise with good RP or description, but it would probably depend on the table we were playing with.
Ahhh. yes. I should know better the difference between Multi-Attack and Extra Attack.. I play a moon druid half the time ;-/
But thank you for confirming the RAW of it quindraco. I understood why Psychic Blades didn't with Opportunity Attacks, as the writing for Opportunity attacks specifically calls out a melee Attack... and not Attack action... but I guess its the same logic isn't it? thanks regardless
And ArntItheBest, a 3 or 4 level dip (or rather start) for a Rogue - Ranger multi-class is actually quite effective and common from my experience. If I were DMing, I personally wouldn't allow it unless the player could convince me otherwise with good RP or description, but it would probably depend on the table we were playing with.
Something to keep in mind about 5e that is fully admitted by WotC even in the PHB. They do not write any abilities with consideration of multi-classing and multi-class interactions in mind. Some choose to take this as mean that when you do multi-class it just alters everything to "attack" and not "The Attack Action" when it comes to thing like rogue class abilities. But purely by Raw. Those abilities don't care about that extra attack if they are worded anything like psychic blades. Specially when they do like the second part of psychic blades and specify creating a second blade specifically for the bonus action attack which is technically a different action and not multiple parts of the same action which is essentially what "Extra Attack" is.
Ahhh. yes. I should know better the difference between Multi-Attack and Extra Attack.. I play a moon druid half the time ;-/
But thank you for confirming the RAW of it quindraco. I understood why Psychic Blades didn't with Opportunity Attacks, as the writing for Opportunity attacks specifically calls out a melee Attack... and not Attack action... but I guess its the same logic isn't it? thanks regardless
And ArntItheBest, a 3 or 4 level dip (or rather start) for a Rogue - Ranger multi-class is actually quite effective and common from my experience. If I were DMing, I personally wouldn't allow it unless the player could convince me otherwise with good RP or description, but it would probably depend on the table we were playing with.
I was not arguing that it was not effective or useful. My argument was more that it is not a quick/easy dip, so I would rule that level of investment should allow them to work together.
Such Dips do not in any way make allowances for other things to work together. So there is no particular reason to make this ability work together with another classes features either. The biggest example of this is spell casting. Spell Casting is so seperate from martial class features that many of them don't work together and many "gish" subclasses actually get one or more special features trying to reconsile that to some degree.
Just a clarification, in case I missed it in one of the posts. But is it that you can take the attack action with the psychic blade, make your two attack (extra attack feature) with the blade and then it disappears (since you completed the attack action).
Or is it that you take the attack action, attack once with the blade, it disappears, and you summon a second for your extra attack (still the same attack action), which then disappears after.
Or you take the attack action, make one attack with the blade, it disappears, now you have to unarmed strike for your extra attack?
Just a clarification, in case I missed it in one of the posts. But is it that you can take the attack action with the psychic blade, make your two attack (extra attack feature) with the blade and then it disappears (since you completed the attack action).
Or is it that you take the attack action, attack once with the blade, it disappears, and you summon a second for your extra attack (still the same attack action), which then disappears after.
Or you take the attack action, make one attack with the blade, it disappears, now you have to unarmed strike for your extra attack?
STrictly speaking by RaW if you had extra attack you'd have to make the extra attack unarmed. Or with a weapon in the opposite hand (which causes problems with the bonus action soul knife so you'd have to juggle a weapon in and out or something) with the second attack.
This is because the way the ability is written. When you take the Attack Action. you manifest the blade for the attack and then take it. This is a bit of the problem but it's more than this. The problem with Extra attack is also about when it vanishes.
For the First Part Many People like to make an assumptive alteration in regards to multi-classing with extra attack. Turning "The Attack" in the way it is written to "The Attacks" for manifesting the blade. This fixes the second issue by forcing a change in the first issue. However. Extra attack does not in any way state that anything to do with one attack now automatically becomes two Attacks except for the very specific matter that the Attack Action itself saying One Attack now Becomes two Attacks.
For the Second part of the issue It says specifically That On a Hit Or Miss the blade immediately vanishes, and that damage is dealt but no mark is left. Technically purely by Raw the blade actually vanishes even as the Damage is rolled. It still fully damages because of the way the ability is written. But the weapon is gone even as it does. Now as I stated. The often proposed RaI fix is just to make it summon multiple times. By Raw you have the weapon once and then you have to punch them or kick them or whatever for the second. An then you can summon a second one for the Bonus action 3rd attack.
to sum that up a bit in a quick short way for those that think it's too long.
It's either that the Proposed RaI is "Have Extra Attack so summon blade and attack once and it vanishes. Summon blade (completely identical) and attack a second time and it vanishes again. Summon slightly altered bonus action blade and attack and it vanishes."
or it's RaW of "Have Extra attack so Summon Blade and attack and it vanishes. hit it with something else that doesn't vanish (fist, weapon etc). Summon slightly altered bonus action blade and attack and it vanishes."
But some people try to take the Proposed RaW and say that Extra Attack should work this way because of RaW by extra attack Altering the wording "the Attack" into "the Attacks" for Psychic Blades despite Extra Attack not interacting with this Feature Only the Attack Action itself.
Thanks Fateless... RAW or house rule will come down to the DM, but I'm cool playing it either way. Just goos to know when youre playing by rules and not.
Thanks Fateless... RAW or house rule will come down to the DM, but I'm cool playing it either way. Just goos to know when youre playing by rules and not.
Cheers
that's my thing. I'm not against not playing by the rules. But it's best to know when we're not. That way we aren't blindsided by it if we move to a new table just because "that's the way my old table always did it." There are some things that I even say aren't right and shouldn't be played strictly by RaW sometimes. This is one that I actually lean towards some level of RaI in fact.
Someone please point me towards what i read wrong ... Bcs i would argue that you can.
Psychic Blades.
"Whenever you take the Attack action, you can manifest a psychic blade from your free hand and make the attack with that blade."
I mean ... when i take attack action, i manifest the blade ... so far we all agree. Then i attack with said blade and it dissapears ... so far so good. But then i would say that if i use Extra-Attack ... wich is part of Attack Action > ergo i am using Attack action, and "whenever" i do that, i manifest the blade ... and since its the same blade as before (still 1d6 and all those other stuff) its fair to say its still "fist blade". Afterwards that blade dissapears again.
Then i can use my Bonus Action to manifest a "second blade" (second, bcs its different blade ... difference is 1d4 this time) ... and attack with that aswell. It once again dissapear once i attack.
Someone please point me towards what i read wrong ... Bcs i would argue that you can.
Psychic Blades.
"Whenever you take the Attack action, you can manifest a psychic blade from your free hand and make the attack with that blade."
I mean ... when i take attack action, i manifest the blade ... so far we all agree. Then i attack with said blade and it dissapears ... so far so good. But then i would say that if i use Extra-Attack ... wich is part of Attack Action > ergo i am using Attack action, and "whenever" i do that, i manifest the blade ... and since its the same blade as before (still 1d6 and all those other stuff) its fair to say its still "fist blade". Afterwards that blade dissapears again.
Then i can use my Bonus Action to manifest a "second blade" (second, bcs its different blade ... difference is 1d4 this time) ... and attack with that aswell. It once again dissapear once i attack.
It seems quite logical to me. O_o
It is whenever you take the attack action, not whenever you use it. You only take it once, and therefore there is only one "the attack", not two.
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no multiple attacks needing a hack to get an attack of opportunity, all of this would have been solved if they had just made it so you summon a blade and hold it in your hand more like pact of the blade, and they probably could have worked in some way to bind magical weapons like pact of the blade so your feature that takes up 3/4th your sub class is still useful once magic weapons are in play at your table. And it would fit the imagery of the sub class picture.
Someone please point me towards what i read wrong ... Bcs i would argue that you can.
Psychic Blades.
"Whenever you take the Attack action, you can manifest a psychic blade from your free hand and make the attack with that blade."
I mean ... when i take attack action, i manifest the blade ... so far we all agree. Then i attack with said blade and it dissapears ... so far so good. But then i would say that if i use Extra-Attack ... wich is part of Attack Action > ergo i am using Attack action, and "whenever" i do that, i manifest the blade ... and since its the same blade as before (still 1d6 and all those other stuff) its fair to say its still "fist blade". Afterwards that blade dissapears again.
Then i can use my Bonus Action to manifest a "second blade" (second, bcs its different blade ... difference is 1d4 this time) ... and attack with that aswell. It once again dissapear once i attack.
It seems quite logical to me. O_o
I agree. The second attack is still part of the attack action thus you can manifest a blade. The blade vanishing after a hit or miss is not relevant because the blade was not manifested during the initial attack, it manifests before you attack. Additionally in the 2024 version, many abilities that can only be used once per turn are explicitly stated as such including the monk’s stunning strike, the cleric’s blessed strikes, the druid’s primal strike, etc. Psychic blades have no such specific written limits.
Someone please point me towards what i read wrong ... Bcs i would argue that you can.
Psychic Blades.
"Whenever you take the Attack action, you can manifest a psychic blade from your free hand and make the attack with that blade."
I mean ... when i take attack action, i manifest the blade ... so far we all agree. Then i attack with said blade and it dissapears ... so far so good. But then i would say that if i use Extra-Attack ... wich is part of Attack Action > ergo i am using Attack action, and "whenever" i do that, i manifest the blade ... and since its the same blade as before (still 1d6 and all those other stuff) its fair to say its still "fist blade". Afterwards that blade dissapears again.
Then i can use my Bonus Action to manifest a "second blade" (second, bcs its different blade ... difference is 1d4 this time) ... and attack with that aswell. It once again dissapear once i attack.
It seems quite logical to me. O_o
I agree. The second attack is still part of the attack action thus you can manifest a blade. The blade vanishing after a hit or miss is not relevant because the blade was not manifested during the initial attack, it manifests before you attack. Additionally in the 2024 version, many abilities that can only be used once per turn are explicitly stated as such including the monk’s stunning strike, the cleric’s blessed strikes, the druid’s primal strike, etc. Psychic blades have no such specific written limits.
I don't see your logic. You are saying that the blade vanishing doesn't matter because we summoned it earlier? How does that work?
Additionally, everybody is talking about the 2014 rules, so examples from the 2024 rules are inapplicable. Finally, it would be fairly trivial to trigger those abilities more than once a turn without the restriction, whereas at least a 5 level multiclass is required here.
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You are saying that the blade vanishing doesn't matter because we summoned it earlier?
No ... I say that all that the blade vanishing means is that there is no projectile for your enemy to throw back, if you throw it ... If you stab with it, i concider it fairly irellevant ... since the only thing it does is that it frees your hand for anything else you might want to do.
Additionally, everybody is talking about the 2014 rules, so examples from the 2024 rules are inapplicable.
There is no example ... Its still written by same people in same format, wich is what im talking about.
Finally, it would be fairly trivial to trigger those abilities more than once a turn without the restriction
Yes ... So what? :D
Quite litterally any other Rogue can achieve same amount of attacks, and even more amount of damage ... What is the point in restricting one of them from doing so?
You are saying that the blade vanishing doesn't matter because we summoned it earlier?
No ... I say that all that the blade vanishing means is that there is no projectile for your enemy to throw back, if you throw it ... If you stab with it, i concider it fairly irellevant ... since the only thing it does is that it frees your hand for anything else you might want to do.
Maybe the person I actually quoted does? Either way, if the blade vanishes and is only summoned when you take the attack action, what is there to use for the second attack?
Finally, it would be fairly trivial to trigger those abilities more than once a turn without the restriction
Yes ... So what? :D
Quite litterally any other Rogue can achieve same amount of attacks, and even more amount of damage ... What is the point in restricting one of them from doing so?
So it's an edge case and is not comparable to the examples of the person I quoted. Also, your statement is quite incorrect. This Rogue/other character could do up to 4 attacks on a turn compared to the 3 of a single classed rogue. Also, we are talking about a multiclass that has numerous benefits, such as an action surge and second wind. Why should they be buffed?
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Someone please point me towards what i read wrong ... Bcs i would argue that you can.
Psychic Blades.
"Whenever you take the Attack action, you can manifest a psychic blade from your free hand and make the attack with that blade."
I mean ... when i take attack action, i manifest the blade ... so far we all agree. Then i attack with said blade and it dissapears ... so far so good. But then i would say that if i use Extra-Attack ... wich is part of Attack Action > ergo i am using Attack action, and "whenever" i do that, i manifest the blade ... and since its the same blade as before (still 1d6 and all those other stuff) its fair to say its still "fist blade". Afterwards that blade dissapears again.
Then i can use my Bonus Action to manifest a "second blade" (second, bcs its different blade ... difference is 1d4 this time) ... and attack with that aswell. It once again dissapear once i attack.
It seems quite logical to me. O_o
I agree. The second attack is still part of the attack action thus you can manifest a blade. The blade vanishing after a hit or miss is not relevant because the blade was not manifested during the initial attack, it manifests before you attack. Additionally in the 2024 version, many abilities that can only be used once per turn are explicitly stated as such including the monk’s stunning strike, the cleric’s blessed strikes, the druid’s primal strike, etc. Psychic blades have no such specific written limits.
I don't see your logic. You are saying that the blade vanishing doesn't matter because we summoned it earlier? How does that work?
Additionally, everybody is talking about the 2014 rules, so examples from the 2024 rules are inapplicable. Finally, it would be fairly trivial to trigger those abilities more than once a turn without the restriction, whereas at least a 5 level multiclass is required here.
It’s really not that complicated. “When you take the attack action or make an opportunity attack, you can manifest a psychic blade and make the attack with that blade”. If you multiclass and have the extra attack ability it states “you attack twice instead of once when you take the attack action”. So, when you take the attack action two things happen, you manifest a psychic blade AND get to attack twice. Therefore, Because manifesting the blade is part of the attack, the blade disappearing is a moot point. Where it matters is when feats or abilities such as the fighter’s riposte maneuver or the defensive duelist feat which both require you to have a weapon in your hand to reduce damage with a reaction. Since the psychic blades do not exist outside of the attack action or opportunity attack, you cannot use these feats.
You are saying that the blade vanishing doesn't matter because we summoned it earlier?
No ... I say that all that the blade vanishing means is that there is no projectile for your enemy to throw back, if you throw it ... If you stab with it, i concider it fairly irellevant ... since the only thing it does is that it frees your hand for anything else you might want to do.
Maybe the person I actually quoted does? Either way, if the blade vanishes and is only summoned when you take the attack action, what is there to use for the second attack?
Finally, it would be fairly trivial to trigger those abilities more than once a turn without the restriction
Yes ... So what? :D
Quite litterally any other Rogue can achieve same amount of attacks, and even more amount of damage ... What is the point in restricting one of them from doing so?
So it's an edge case and is not comparable to the examples of the person I quoted. Also, your statement is quite incorrect. This Rogue/other character could do up to 4 attacks on a turn compared to the 3 of a single classed rogue. Also, we are talking about a multiclass that has numerous benefits, such as an action surge and second wind. Why should they be buffed?
Any rogue with two short swords and the two weapon fighting style can do more damage than a soulknife due to both attacks doing a d6+dex instead of d6 and d4. Where did you get 4 attacks from?
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So, let's assume you have a multi-class of a Soul Knife Rogue and a martial class like Fighter or Ranger that has obtained Multi-attack at level 5.
How does Psychic Blade interact with Multi-attack? It specifically states when you take the Attack Action, and I get all kinds of confused when they refer to "Attack Action" vs the lower case "attack". I am interpreting this that you only summon a single blade in free hand at the BEGINNING of said Attack Action, and you do not summon another blade on each subsequent weapon attack. Is this how it is interpreted or is there a clarification anywhere?
Ahhh. yes. I should know better the difference between Multi-Attack and Extra Attack.. I play a moon druid half the time ;-/
But thank you for confirming the RAW of it quindraco. I understood why Psychic Blades didn't with Opportunity Attacks, as the writing for Opportunity attacks specifically calls out a melee Attack... and not Attack action... but I guess its the same logic isn't it? thanks regardless
And ArntItheBest, a 3 or 4 level dip (or rather start) for a Rogue - Ranger multi-class is actually quite effective and common from my experience. If I were DMing, I personally wouldn't allow it unless the player could convince me otherwise with good RP or description, but it would probably depend on the table we were playing with.
Something to keep in mind about 5e that is fully admitted by WotC even in the PHB. They do not write any abilities with consideration of multi-classing and multi-class interactions in mind. Some choose to take this as mean that when you do multi-class it just alters everything to "attack" and not "The Attack Action" when it comes to thing like rogue class abilities. But purely by Raw. Those abilities don't care about that extra attack if they are worded anything like psychic blades. Specially when they do like the second part of psychic blades and specify creating a second blade specifically for the bonus action attack which is technically a different action and not multiple parts of the same action which is essentially what "Extra Attack" is.
Such Dips do not in any way make allowances for other things to work together. So there is no particular reason to make this ability work together with another classes features either. The biggest example of this is spell casting. Spell Casting is so seperate from martial class features that many of them don't work together and many "gish" subclasses actually get one or more special features trying to reconsile that to some degree.
Just a clarification, in case I missed it in one of the posts. But is it that you can take the attack action with the psychic blade, make your two attack (extra attack feature) with the blade and then it disappears (since you completed the attack action).
Or is it that you take the attack action, attack once with the blade, it disappears, and you summon a second for your extra attack (still the same attack action), which then disappears after.
Or you take the attack action, make one attack with the blade, it disappears, now you have to unarmed strike for your extra attack?
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STrictly speaking by RaW if you had extra attack you'd have to make the extra attack unarmed. Or with a weapon in the opposite hand (which causes problems with the bonus action soul knife so you'd have to juggle a weapon in and out or something) with the second attack.
This is because the way the ability is written. When you take the Attack Action. you manifest the blade for the attack and then take it. This is a bit of the problem but it's more than this. The problem with Extra attack is also about when it vanishes.
For the First Part Many People like to make an assumptive alteration in regards to multi-classing with extra attack. Turning "The Attack" in the way it is written to "The Attacks" for manifesting the blade. This fixes the second issue by forcing a change in the first issue. However. Extra attack does not in any way state that anything to do with one attack now automatically becomes two Attacks except for the very specific matter that the Attack Action itself saying One Attack now Becomes two Attacks.
For the Second part of the issue It says specifically That On a Hit Or Miss the blade immediately vanishes, and that damage is dealt but no mark is left. Technically purely by Raw the blade actually vanishes even as the Damage is rolled. It still fully damages because of the way the ability is written. But the weapon is gone even as it does. Now as I stated. The often proposed RaI fix is just to make it summon multiple times. By Raw you have the weapon once and then you have to punch them or kick them or whatever for the second. An then you can summon a second one for the Bonus action 3rd attack.
to sum that up a bit in a quick short way for those that think it's too long.
It's either that the Proposed RaI is "Have Extra Attack so summon blade and attack once and it vanishes. Summon blade (completely identical) and attack a second time and it vanishes again. Summon slightly altered bonus action blade and attack and it vanishes."
or it's RaW of "Have Extra attack so Summon Blade and attack and it vanishes. hit it with something else that doesn't vanish (fist, weapon etc). Summon slightly altered bonus action blade and attack and it vanishes."
But some people try to take the Proposed RaW and say that Extra Attack should work this way because of RaW by extra attack Altering the wording "the Attack" into "the Attacks" for Psychic Blades despite Extra Attack not interacting with this Feature Only the Attack Action itself.
Thanks Fateless... RAW or house rule will come down to the DM, but I'm cool playing it either way. Just goos to know when youre playing by rules and not.
Cheers
that's my thing. I'm not against not playing by the rules. But it's best to know when we're not. That way we aren't blindsided by it if we move to a new table just because "that's the way my old table always did it." There are some things that I even say aren't right and shouldn't be played strictly by RaW sometimes. This is one that I actually lean towards some level of RaI in fact.
Someone please point me towards what i read wrong ...
Bcs i would argue that you can.
Psychic Blades.
"Whenever you take the Attack action, you can manifest a psychic blade from your free hand and make the attack with that blade."
I mean ... when i take attack action, i manifest the blade ... so far we all agree.
Then i attack with said blade and it dissapears ... so far so good.
But then i would say that if i use Extra-Attack ... wich is part of Attack Action > ergo i am using Attack action, and "whenever" i do that, i manifest the blade ... and since its the same blade as before (still 1d6 and all those other stuff) its fair to say its still "fist blade".
Afterwards that blade dissapears again.
Then i can use my Bonus Action to manifest a "second blade" (second, bcs its different blade ... difference is 1d4 this time) ... and attack with that aswell.
It once again dissapear once i attack.
It seems quite logical to me. O_o
Just to clarify under current rules>
Base attack Psychic blade,
OFf-fhand attack Dagger not counting as a bonus action due to nicK. Now your hand is empty.
Conjure Psychic blade in off hand and Bonus action attack....
Nick can't be used with psychic blades. They aren't light.
It is whenever you take the attack action, not whenever you use it. You only take it once, and therefore there is only one "the attack", not two.
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no multiple attacks needing a hack to get an attack of opportunity, all of this would have been solved if they had just made it so you summon a blade and hold it in your hand more like pact of the blade, and they probably could have worked in some way to bind magical weapons like pact of the blade so your feature that takes up 3/4th your sub class is still useful once magic weapons are in play at your table. And it would fit the imagery of the sub class picture.
I agree. The second attack is still part of the attack action thus you can manifest a blade. The blade vanishing after a hit or miss is not relevant because the blade was not manifested during the initial attack, it manifests before you attack. Additionally in the 2024 version, many abilities that can only be used once per turn are explicitly stated as such including the monk’s stunning strike, the cleric’s blessed strikes, the druid’s primal strike, etc. Psychic blades have no such specific written limits.
I don't see your logic. You are saying that the blade vanishing doesn't matter because we summoned it earlier? How does that work?
Additionally, everybody is talking about the 2014 rules, so examples from the 2024 rules are inapplicable. Finally, it would be fairly trivial to trigger those abilities more than once a turn without the restriction, whereas at least a 5 level multiclass is required here.
If you are being disingenuous and rude, consider this your only response.
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No ...
I say that all that the blade vanishing means is that there is no projectile for your enemy to throw back, if you throw it ...
If you stab with it, i concider it fairly irellevant ... since the only thing it does is that it frees your hand for anything else you might want to do.
There is no example ...
Its still written by same people in same format, wich is what im talking about.
Yes ...
So what? :D
Quite litterally any other Rogue can achieve same amount of attacks, and even more amount of damage ...
What is the point in restricting one of them from doing so?
Maybe the person I actually quoted does? Either way, if the blade vanishes and is only summoned when you take the attack action, what is there to use for the second attack?
So it's an edge case and is not comparable to the examples of the person I quoted. Also, your statement is quite incorrect. This Rogue/other character could do up to 4 attacks on a turn compared to the 3 of a single classed rogue. Also, we are talking about a multiclass that has numerous benefits, such as an action surge and second wind. Why should they be buffed?
If you are being disingenuous and rude, consider this your only response.
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It’s really not that complicated. “When you take the attack action or make an opportunity attack, you can manifest a psychic blade and make the attack with that blade”. If you multiclass and have the extra attack ability it states “you attack twice instead of once when you take the attack action”. So, when you take the attack action two things happen, you manifest a psychic blade AND get to attack twice. Therefore, Because manifesting the blade is part of the attack, the blade disappearing is a moot point. Where it matters is when feats or abilities such as the fighter’s riposte maneuver or the defensive duelist feat which both require you to have a weapon in your hand to reduce damage with a reaction. Since the psychic blades do not exist outside of the attack action or opportunity attack, you cannot use these feats.
Any rogue with two short swords and the two weapon fighting style can do more damage than a soulknife due to both attacks doing a d6+dex instead of d6 and d4. Where did you get 4 attacks from?