No idea pointing out a strawman is an entirely reasonable,proffesional and noble act in a debate,it is not by any standard disrespectful,mean or unproductive.
I see why strawmaning is allowed as not allowing would be a enforcement nightmare.
Why is ok, for people to misrepresent someone's statement/position, but it's not ok to call out their strawman or red herring?
There are a wide variety of users within the community containing various levels of logic, reasoning, and critical thinking abilities - all of whom are welcome on D&D Beyond. It is alright for users to demonstrate these various levels and express themselves in the manner that they are able. Sometimes, a user may misrepresent a statement or position, whether knowingly or unknowingly - it happens. What we do not permit is the "call out" nature of targeting users and/or attack the user behind the post.
It is not acceptable to post accusations about other people or any form of naming & shaming.
Outside of posting accusations, as prohibited above, "call outs" also serve to distract and create a disturbance in forum threads:
2c. Spamming and Trolling
Neither spamming nor trolling is acceptable on the D&D Beyond site. This includes, but is not limited to, the following examples:
Creating threads for the sole purpose of causing unrest on the forums.
Causing disturbances in forum threads, such as picking fights, making off-topic posts that ruin the thread, insulting other posters.
Making non-constructive posts to de-rail threads.
Rarely is discussing another user's logic constructive to the thread's topic or related to D&D as a whole. As there are rules in place that do not permit these contributions, it's best to avoid engaging in these arguments.
Why is ok, for people to misrepresent someone's statement/position, but it's not ok to call out their strawman or red herring?
There are a wide variety of users within the community containing various levels of logic, reasoning, and critical thinking abilities
Well, ok, but personally, I wouldn't call someone's intentional use of a strawman, red herring (or other dirty debate tactics) as just a "difference in logic, reasoning, and critical thinking abilities".
So, while we're on the topic of undesirable forum behaviors - is it against the rules to not respond to the OP of a thread, and instead, just post for the sole purpose of criticizing another poster's contribution? I mean , if they contribute to the OP, and then critique another person's post that's one thing, but if they jump into a thread and just start throwing turds on other people's post, that's another thing entirely...because it's clear that their intention is not to make a constructive contribution.
It usually falls into a gray area - what individuals deem as another user's "intention" or what is/is not "constructive" is based on perspective. Your perspective is different than mine, which is then different than the other few million user accounts who've registered on D&D Beyond. Many of the posts which you and I may view the "sole purpose" as criticism may have been intended or thought of as a meaningful contribution by the author. This doesn't mean that it is or isn't, but how users view these posts brings different context behind their reason for posting it. Frequently, the moderation team receives reports from both sides of an argument depicting how the <reporting user> was only contributing in a constructive manner, sharing their opinion on a topic, and the <reported user> is the one at fault by criticizing them and/or otherwise sharing a belief that contradicts their own.
The best course of action in each one of these events is to report the post so that the moderation team may review the thread and take necessary action as needed. Once users begin taking the matter into their own hands, replying/retaliating/engaging/etc, they open themselves up to rule violations and then everyone just ends up with infractions. Not a fun place to be for any involved.
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Why is ok, for people to misrepresent someone's statement/position, but it's not ok to call out their strawman or red herring?
No idea pointing out a strawman is an entirely reasonable,proffesional and noble act in a debate,it is not by any standard disrespectful,mean or unproductive.
I see why strawmaning is allowed as not allowing would be a enforcement nightmare.
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There are a wide variety of users within the community containing various levels of logic, reasoning, and critical thinking abilities - all of whom are welcome on D&D Beyond. It is alright for users to demonstrate these various levels and express themselves in the manner that they are able. Sometimes, a user may misrepresent a statement or position, whether knowingly or unknowingly - it happens. What we do not permit is the "call out" nature of targeting users and/or attack the user behind the post.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/news-announcements/2-site-rules-guidelines
Outside of posting accusations, as prohibited above, "call outs" also serve to distract and create a disturbance in forum threads:
Rarely is discussing another user's logic constructive to the thread's topic or related to D&D as a whole. As there are rules in place that do not permit these contributions, it's best to avoid engaging in these arguments.
Well, ok, but personally, I wouldn't call someone's intentional use of a strawman, red herring (or other dirty debate tactics) as just a "difference in logic, reasoning, and critical thinking abilities".
So, while we're on the topic of undesirable forum behaviors - is it against the rules to not respond to the OP of a thread, and instead, just post for the sole purpose of criticizing another poster's contribution? I mean , if they contribute to the OP, and then critique another person's post that's one thing, but if they jump into a thread and just start throwing turds on other people's post, that's another thing entirely...because it's clear that their intention is not to make a constructive contribution.
It usually falls into a gray area - what individuals deem as another user's "intention" or what is/is not "constructive" is based on perspective. Your perspective is different than mine, which is then different than the other few million user accounts who've registered on D&D Beyond. Many of the posts which you and I may view the "sole purpose" as criticism may have been intended or thought of as a meaningful contribution by the author. This doesn't mean that it is or isn't, but how users view these posts brings different context behind their reason for posting it. Frequently, the moderation team receives reports from both sides of an argument depicting how the <reporting user> was only contributing in a constructive manner, sharing their opinion on a topic, and the <reported user> is the one at fault by criticizing them and/or otherwise sharing a belief that contradicts their own.
The best course of action in each one of these events is to report the post so that the moderation team may review the thread and take necessary action as needed. Once users begin taking the matter into their own hands, replying/retaliating/engaging/etc, they open themselves up to rule violations and then everyone just ends up with infractions. Not a fun place to be for any involved.