What makes this the worst for me is the absolute non-response that was offered.
"It's no longer possible". Explain why.
If it has to do with the new marketplace being programmed differently, I don't believe for one second you couldn't hire someone to program ala carte functionality into the new system.
If it has to do with wanting people to just buy the whole books that's shortsighted and selfish. Taking away my options doesn't make me more likely to buy the bigger alternatives, it makes me less likely to purchase from you at all.
I was wondering why I couldn't buy individual items anymore. I am saddened by this change. I have bought a few books on this website but I also have spent substantially more on individual subclass purchases for one shots and other fun ideas I wanted to mess with. I even ended up buying books after the fact after I bought a few subclasses/spells.
No heads up is a scummy move.
I will not be buying whole books for just a few things.
But seriously, noticed the cart at the bottom of order page in the account details tab where you can view what you had bought on site and expected it might apply a-la-carte PHB class bundle towards a digital only book and nothing.
At least figure out how to backend this to at least allow a better way to apply some form of a discount to the account user.
if you want to pick & mix rules n’shit from 2014 to 2024 (or the reverse) and you want those things to work on this site then you have to purchase the whole of each publication you want for 2024.
after which point 2014 becomes obsolete because a new punter is unlikely to purchase a whole out of date publication for an older class/spell/rule.
if you want to pick & mix rules n’shit from 2014 to 2024 (or the reverse) and you want those things to work on this site then you have to purchase the whole of each publication you want for 2024.
after which point 2014 becomes obsolete because a new punter is unlikely to purchase a whole out of date publication for an older class/spell/rule.
Legacy addresses this just fine, full disclosure I am not a fan of the legacy program, but it is/was(?) a fair and effective way to stop further purchases while not force you to eliminate owned content.
I do agree this seems to be just another brick in the walled garden.
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CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I would like a-carte purchases returned. I already own the books but used the character creator to create my characters because it was more convenient that way both for me and the DM's I ran with. So I purchased what I needed at that time,bits here and there. But now what I love has been taken away from me due to this chance. Please revert it. Also some kind soul in the official discord in the feedback section is deleting comments about this and warning the people that post them. That needs to be stopped as well.
no one buys the whole books because they arent worth the money at all but hey guess it stopped being about the consumer awhile ago so im not to surprised
no one buys the whole books because they arent worth the money at all but hey guess it stopped being about the consumer awhile ago so im not to surprised
At least some of them are. And this is a for profit company offering a luxury product, not some charity or producer/distributer of necessities.
It is always about the consumer. And when they price badly, they are misreading the market at their own peril.
As this is one of the primary threads for marketplace-related discussion, I'll drop this here as well: there's an issue with PayPal not letting folks use it to pay for things right now. The devs are aware and investigating, and I'll provide an update when I know more.
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Well, guess I won't be spending any more money on Beyond. Wizards/D&D Beyond are intent on making the player experience worse and worse without actually providing a fully finished product or functioning tools (we're still waiting on Tasha's things to be implemented properly and bugs that were reported three or four years ago are still unfixed). It's drama after drama of making player experiences worse - at the end of our current campaign, we plan to jump ship.
As someone that has never bought a whole book on dndbeyond and solely purchased individual parts of books, this impacts me quite badly. I for one will still not be buying any whole digital books just for the odd subclass, spell, feat etc. If there was an option to buy a physical book that gave me a digital copy, I might feel differently about that.
The lack of transparent communication in advance of this decision smacks of "We didn't want to make anyone aware of this until we removed it by pulling the rug from under your feet". It's typically good business practice to communicate up front rather than after the fact! This move seems partly lazy and not thought out but mostly greedy without any clear justification. They're never going to say publicly though that they expect this to make them more money/profitable.
I doubt they will roll this back but I hope they do.
As this is one of the primary threads for marketplace-related discussion, I'll drop this here as well: there's an issue with PayPal not letting folks use it to pay for things right now. The devs are aware and investigating, and I'll provide an update when I know more.
Also bizzare.... so far "We're providing fewer ways to purchase and fewer ways to pay for any purchases you do make. Progress!!!"
(Still hoping these are all just some major miscommunication and oversight)
Didn't notice this thread sooner, but you can add me to the no longer purchasing club.
In my entire time on D&D Beyond I have only purchased a single book up front, which was Tasha's Cauldron of Everything. All other content I've purchased has been buying sub-classes, feats etc. individually, it was by far one of the main selling points of this site for me. In some cases I would eventually complete a book once I already owned most of it already, or a sale made completing the purchase more enticing.
But ever since Wizards of the Coast bought D&D Beyond the sales have been less generous, and with "a la carte" purchasing being axed the two main ways that I have purchased content have been completely eliminated.
There is no technical reason to have done this; the new storefront is not an improvement in any meaningful way (if anything, it's worse than ever), so axing the best purchasing options is complete insanity. It's only going to drive people away and encourage content piracy, because as we've seen with music and TV shows, the harder/more expensive you make it for people to buy what they want, the way that they want, the less likely they are to buy at all.
Instead of forcing me to pay full price like some corporate shit-heel clearly wants, it forces me to do the opposite; I am now completely unable to purchase any content on this site in future. I will continue my subscription only for as long as my groups require it for access to already purchased content, but I can't imagine that's going to last long without major changes, as with the way Wizards has been behaving we're already highly incentivised to look toward other game systems.
Funnily enough, repeatedly saying "**** you" to your customers only encourages them to say the exact same thing in return.
Former D&D Beyond Customer of six years: With the axing of piecemeal purchasing, lack of meaningful development, and toxic moderation the site isn't worth paying for anymore. I remain a free user only until my groups are done migrating from DDB, and if necessary D&D, after which I'm done. There are better systems owned by better companies out there.
I have unsubscribed from all topics and will not reply to messages. My homebrew is now 100% unsupported.
As this is one of the primary threads for marketplace-related discussion, I'll drop this here as well: there's an issue with PayPal not letting folks use it to pay for things right now. The devs are aware and investigating, and I'll provide an update when I know more.
Also bizzare.... so far "We're providing fewer ways to purchase and fewer ways to pay for any purchases you do make. Progress!!!"
(Still hoping these are all just some major miscommunication and oversight)
You do realize that she’s saying that they are experiencing an error with PayPal, right? Not that they’re discontinuing acceptance of it. Online payment methods get screwy sometimes; an MMO I’m on is having difficulties with Visa debits, doesn’t mean everyone currently using one for it needs to find another card.
I've said it in another thread, I'll say it here too - not planning on any more purchases on the platform.
I'll keep my sub, as I think that's good value for money, but considering the very noticeable downward decline in quality of the books since say, Icewind Dale and Tashas, I'm less keen to stump up 50 quid (something I did for most previous releases) when the quality of the product I get is something like Spelljammer (not very good at all).
Would have happily spent money on a la carte stuff until the cows came home - I've spent hundreds on full books and individual items over the years. But not any more.
Shame!
Will be looking at other platforms for my 5e content now. None are quite as convenient as dndbeyond, but I'd rather suffer a bit of inconvenience, than support bad customer treatment.
It's a shame though as I do believe DDB are good folk, and it's just WOTC pulling the strings here.
Instead of stripping out a la carte purchasing, why not just produce more content worth buying?
Seems simple, right?
Hey, if it’s that easy why not start up your own game, be the Next Big Thing for TTRPG?
Way things are going, wouldn’t be surprised. Paypal option was dead when the change was made, so im sure it’s just a minor oversight in ability to milk, sorry entice larger transactions.
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What makes this the worst for me is the absolute non-response that was offered.
"It's no longer possible". Explain why.
If it has to do with the new marketplace being programmed differently, I don't believe for one second you couldn't hire someone to program ala carte functionality into the new system.
If it has to do with wanting people to just buy the whole books that's shortsighted and selfish. Taking away my options doesn't make me more likely to buy the bigger alternatives, it makes me less likely to purchase from you at all.
I was wondering why I couldn't buy individual items anymore. I am saddened by this change. I have bought a few books on this website but I also have spent substantially more on individual subclass purchases for one shots and other fun ideas I wanted to mess with. I even ended up buying books after the fact after I bought a few subclasses/spells.
No heads up is a scummy move.
I will not be buying whole books for just a few things.
Just figured it out, fastest way to kill a wizard is to take their toys away.
I do not write this to inflame but to mearly comment on the irony.
But seriously, noticed the cart at the bottom of order page in the account details tab where you can view what you had bought on site and expected it might apply a-la-carte PHB class bundle towards a digital only book and nothing.
At least figure out how to backend this to at least allow a better way to apply some form of a discount to the account user.
It’s engineered obsolescence for 2014
blah blah blah backwards compatible blah blah blah
if you want to pick & mix rules n’shit from 2014 to 2024 (or the reverse) and you want those things to work on this site then you have to purchase the whole of each publication you want for 2024.
after which point 2014 becomes obsolete because a new punter is unlikely to purchase a whole out of date publication for an older class/spell/rule.
Legacy addresses this just fine, full disclosure I am not a fan of the legacy program, but it is/was(?) a fair and effective way to stop further purchases while not force you to eliminate owned content.
I do agree this seems to be just another brick in the walled garden.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
It feels a bit preemptive to be phasing out older content for OneDnD when it feels like people are barely even considering it so far.
I've seen some mild interest and looking over of the playtests but little to no people excited to fully adopt it.
As far as I'm aware it's not even done testing.
I would like a-carte purchases returned. I already own the books but used the character creator to create my characters because it was more convenient that way both for me and the DM's I ran with. So I purchased what I needed at that time,bits here and there. But now what I love has been taken away from me due to this chance. Please revert it. Also some kind soul in the official discord in the feedback section is deleting comments about this and warning the people that post them. That needs to be stopped as well.
no one buys the whole books because they arent worth the money at all but hey guess it stopped being about the consumer awhile ago so im not to surprised
At least some of them are. And this is a for profit company offering a luxury product, not some charity or producer/distributer of necessities.
It is always about the consumer. And when they price badly, they are misreading the market at their own peril.
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Well, guess I won't be spending any more money on Beyond. Wizards/D&D Beyond are intent on making the player experience worse and worse without actually providing a fully finished product or functioning tools (we're still waiting on Tasha's things to be implemented properly and bugs that were reported three or four years ago are still unfixed). It's drama after drama of making player experiences worse - at the end of our current campaign, we plan to jump ship.
As someone that has never bought a whole book on dndbeyond and solely purchased individual parts of books, this impacts me quite badly. I for one will still not be buying any whole digital books just for the odd subclass, spell, feat etc. If there was an option to buy a physical book that gave me a digital copy, I might feel differently about that.
The lack of transparent communication in advance of this decision smacks of "We didn't want to make anyone aware of this until we removed it by pulling the rug from under your feet". It's typically good business practice to communicate up front rather than after the fact! This move seems partly lazy and not thought out but mostly greedy without any clear justification. They're never going to say publicly though that they expect this to make them more money/profitable.
I doubt they will roll this back but I hope they do.
Also bizzare.... so far "We're providing fewer ways to purchase and fewer ways to pay for any purchases you do make. Progress!!!"
(Still hoping these are all just some major miscommunication and oversight)
Didn't notice this thread sooner, but you can add me to the no longer purchasing club.
In my entire time on D&D Beyond I have only purchased a single book up front, which was Tasha's Cauldron of Everything. All other content I've purchased has been buying sub-classes, feats etc. individually, it was by far one of the main selling points of this site for me. In some cases I would eventually complete a book once I already owned most of it already, or a sale made completing the purchase more enticing.
But ever since Wizards of the Coast bought D&D Beyond the sales have been less generous, and with "a la carte" purchasing being axed the two main ways that I have purchased content have been completely eliminated.
There is no technical reason to have done this; the new storefront is not an improvement in any meaningful way (if anything, it's worse than ever), so axing the best purchasing options is complete insanity. It's only going to drive people away and encourage content piracy, because as we've seen with music and TV shows, the harder/more expensive you make it for people to buy what they want, the way that they want, the less likely they are to buy at all.
Instead of forcing me to pay full price like some corporate shit-heel clearly wants, it forces me to do the opposite; I am now completely unable to purchase any content on this site in future. I will continue my subscription only for as long as my groups require it for access to already purchased content, but I can't imagine that's going to last long without major changes, as with the way Wizards has been behaving we're already highly incentivised to look toward other game systems.
Funnily enough, repeatedly saying "**** you" to your customers only encourages them to say the exact same thing in return.
Former D&D Beyond Customer of six years: With the axing of piecemeal purchasing, lack of meaningful development, and toxic moderation the site isn't worth paying for anymore. I remain a free user only until my groups are done migrating from DDB, and if necessary D&D, after which I'm done. There are better systems owned by better companies out there.
I have unsubscribed from all topics and will not reply to messages. My homebrew is now 100% unsupported.
You do realize that she’s saying that they are experiencing an error with PayPal, right? Not that they’re discontinuing acceptance of it. Online payment methods get screwy sometimes; an MMO I’m on is having difficulties with Visa debits, doesn’t mean everyone currently using one for it needs to find another card.
I've said it in another thread, I'll say it here too - not planning on any more purchases on the platform.
I'll keep my sub, as I think that's good value for money, but considering the very noticeable downward decline in quality of the books since say, Icewind Dale and Tashas, I'm less keen to stump up 50 quid (something I did for most previous releases) when the quality of the product I get is something like Spelljammer (not very good at all).
Would have happily spent money on a la carte stuff until the cows came home - I've spent hundreds on full books and individual items over the years. But not any more.
Shame!
Will be looking at other platforms for my 5e content now. None are quite as convenient as dndbeyond, but I'd rather suffer a bit of inconvenience, than support bad customer treatment.
It's a shame though as I do believe DDB are good folk, and it's just WOTC pulling the strings here.
And not to chain the rant, but here's an idea.
Instead of stripping out a la carte purchasing, why not just produce more content worth buying?
Seems simple, right?
Hey, if it’s that easy why not start up your own game, be the Next Big Thing for TTRPG?
Way things are going, wouldn’t be surprised. Paypal option was dead when the change was made, so im sure it’s just a minor oversight in ability to milk, sorry entice larger transactions.