Personally see piece meal purchases as a luxury for the online consumer that only applied to the digital player, it's not like you can go to a store and just buy a few pages of a physical book.
Also unsure how piece meal purchases works when it comes to third-party content, are d&d beyond allowed/able to sell third-party content as piece meal??
In saying that allowing those who have bought piece meal to finish their current book purchase at previous discount or at least a heads up would of been nice. Outside of that I don't see it as a big deal.
All true, especially letting people know they should buy any books they have bought parts of BEFORE taking it away. That is what is borderline criminal, taking away the option for piece meal is a strange business choice, but what amounts to forcing people to pay for thing already purchased under an agreement by nullifying the agreement without notice is darn sure bumping the line of unlawful, but jumps right over the sleazy practices line. For many it is both a slap in the face while WotC's other hand is in your wallet.
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Personally see piece meal purchases as a luxury for the online consumer that only applied to the digital player, it's not like you can go to a store and just buy a few pages of a physical book.
Also unsure how piece meal purchases works when it comes to third-party content, are d&d beyond allowed/able to sell third-party content as piece meal??
In saying that allowing those who have bought piece meal to finish their current book purchase at previous discount or at least a heads up would of been nice. Outside of that I don't see it as a big deal.
All true, especially letting people know they should buy any books they have bought parts of BEFORE taking it away. That is what is borderline criminal, taking away the option for piece meal is a strange business choice, but what amounts to forcing people to pay for thing already purchased under an agreement by nullifying the agreement without notice is darn sure bumping the line of unlawful, but jumps right over the sleazy practices line. For many it is both a slap in the face while WotC's other hand is in your wallet.
That's both a bit overdramatic imo and the intimations that it's criminal is factually incorrect. A business has the right to cease extending an offer to future customers at any time, unless they have specifically indicated the offer will remain for some duration. I guarantee you in the ToS none of us actually bothered to read when we were making purchases there's language to that specific effect that offers being extended to previous customers are not of themselves a guarantee they will remain in place for the future. And no, this is not some evil legal loophole that only corporations get to use, it's a fundamental cornerstone of contract law; you can put an offer out there, but barring other circumstances until the agreement has been finalized by both parties you have the right to retract that offer at will. It would certainly have looked a bit better for them if they'd given a heads up, but at the end of the day this is a business that operates to make money, and if they felt it would be more profitable to do this cold rather than let people get some final piecemeal purchases in, it's unrealistic to expect them to do otherwise. And the ethics of it on a personal level are, frankly, immaterial. WotC is not a person, it's a business, and one in the disposable income market. It is not concerned with how its actions affects each and every current or potential consumer personally, it's concerned with the most effect way to generate a profit.
Personally see piece meal purchases as a luxury for the online consumer that only applied to the digital player, it's not like you can go to a store and just buy a few pages of a physical book.
Also unsure how piece meal purchases works when it comes to third-party content, are d&d beyond allowed/able to sell third-party content as piece meal??
In saying that allowing those who have bought piece meal to finish their current book purchase at previous discount or at least a heads up would of been nice. Outside of that I don't see it as a big deal.
All true, especially letting people know they should buy any books they have bought parts of BEFORE taking it away. That is what is borderline criminal, taking away the option for piece meal is a strange business choice, but what amounts to forcing people to pay for thing already purchased under an agreement by nullifying the agreement without notice is darn sure bumping the line of unlawful, but jumps right over the sleazy practices line. For many it is both a slap in the face while WotC's other hand is in your wallet.
That's both a bit overdramatic imo and the intimations that it's criminal is factually incorrect. A business has the right to cease extending an offer to future customers at any time, unless they have specifically indicated the offer will remain for some duration. I guarantee you in the ToS none of us actually bothered to read when we were making purchases there's language to that specific effect that offers being extended to previous customers are not of themselves a guarantee they will remain in place for the future. And no, this is not some evil legal loophole that only corporations get to use, it's a fundamental cornerstone of contract law; you can put an offer out there, but barring other circumstances until the agreement has been finalized by both parties you have the right to retract that offer at will. It would certainly have looked a bit better for them if they'd given a heads up, but at the end of the day this is a business that operates to make money, and if they felt it would be more profitable to do this cold rather than let people get some final piecemeal purchases in, it's unrealistic to expect them to do otherwise. And the ethics of it on a personal level are, frankly, immaterial. WotC is not a person, it's a business, and one in the disposable income market. It is not concerned with how its actions affects each and every current or potential consumer personally, it's concerned with the most effect way to generate a profit.
Which is why I said "borderline", and "bumps the line", regardless it is a crappy thing to do to customers without notice or time to take advantage of a longstanding agreement.
As for dramatic, I guess that just depends on how much a customer stands to lose from this, seems quite a calloused position to defend this type of business practice to me.
As to doing it cold for profits, that just shows how they feel about their customers, given that significant changes like this (Legacy, sales tax....) have until now been telegraphed and timelined not instant and hardlined saps quite a bit of trust from their customers, time will tell how that works out for them.
The only money they will get from me may be another annual master tier sub next October, unless they allow the prior piece meal purchases a chance to buy the books with the credits for prior purchases.
They just keep stacking straw on the poor camel, it's almost like they want to make issues rather than a game.
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CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Personally see piece meal purchases as a luxury for the online consumer that only applied to the digital player, it's not like you can go to a store and just buy a few pages of a physical book.
Also unsure how piece meal purchases works when it comes to third-party content, are d&d beyond allowed/able to sell third-party content as piece meal??
In saying that allowing those who have bought piece meal to finish their current book purchase at previous discount or at least a heads up would of been nice. Outside of that I don't see it as a big deal.
All true, especially letting people know they should buy any books they have bought parts of BEFORE taking it away. That is what is borderline criminal, taking away the option for piece meal is a strange business choice, but what amounts to forcing people to pay for thing already purchased under an agreement by nullifying the agreement without notice is darn sure bumping the line of unlawful, but jumps right over the sleazy practices line. For many it is both a slap in the face while WotC's other hand is in your wallet.
That's both a bit overdramatic imo and the intimations that it's criminal is factually incorrect. A business has the right to cease extending an offer to future customers at any time, unless they have specifically indicated the offer will remain for some duration. I guarantee you in the ToS none of us actually bothered to read when we were making purchases there's language to that specific effect that offers being extended to previous customers are not of themselves a guarantee they will remain in place for the future. And no, this is not some evil legal loophole that only corporations get to use, it's a fundamental cornerstone of contract law; you can put an offer out there, but barring other circumstances until the agreement has been finalized by both parties you have the right to retract that offer at will. It would certainly have looked a bit better for them if they'd given a heads up, but at the end of the day this is a business that operates to make money, and if they felt it would be more profitable to do this cold rather than let people get some final piecemeal purchases in, it's unrealistic to expect them to do otherwise. And the ethics of it on a personal level are, frankly, immaterial. WotC is not a person, it's a business, and one in the disposable income market. It is not concerned with how its actions affects each and every current or potential consumer personally, it's concerned with the most effect way to generate a profit.
I read the TOS, Privacy Policy, any pretty much all the legal stuff that changed when the company bought the site, compared it to previous owners legal disclaimers and after finding the subtle differences between the two, the point I got from it all was that at any given point, WotC or Hasbro can cut the lights off on anything they provide at any time and for no reason, to have or be given by them ( company ) for doing so, and there is not a thing we can do about it.
Why, cause in order to use the site via account, we had to agree. I agreed knowing full well what could happen, just never thought it would happen.
Words of the wise still ring true, caveat emptor, “Buyer Beware?!?!”
Still bummed they're not doing a-la carte anymore. Had some potential piecemeal things I was considering (Hadozee from Spelljammer really bums me since it's the only one where I had zero interest in ever buying the full book. And the others, while still sucky, are at least from books I could've considered.)
But at least they're going to fix the issue of reneging on their promises it seems.
I literally built my DM style around making sure people were working within the rules by having them ask for classes and races cause I could buy them piecemeal and having them use the character builder still made sure they weren't homebrewing stuff that as a new DM I wouldn't notice. My players enjoyed it cause they could show if they purchased something I didn't have yet, and it made it easier for everyone.
We bought a big chunk of Zanathar's guide piecemeal and then when it was on a sale and I could afford it I got the rest of it. We also went through and added stuff from various other books that the players were looking into, but we didn't need the whole book, just the character builder option.
This decision is going to result in a lot of people just Homebrewing the piecemeal stuff from the book and losing dndbeyond money in the long run.
TL;DR ------- Bring back A la carte options and the a la carte discounts!!
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Trying to DM | Lost my party due to removal of A la Carte options | Party no longer wants to use Beyond
Just adding another comment here that they will no longer recieve a single dollar from me unless they bring back individual purchases. Excel spreadsheets are now more convenient.
This is the shittiest thing they’ve done since the OGL debacle. Are they stupid? I mean seriously are they stupid? I ask since messing up doesn’t mean someone is stupid but repeating the same mistake without ever learning from it is pretty much the definition of stupid.
Removing the a la carte, from the old ones, and in his fashion... How to broadcast you're run by thickhead corporates without saying it.
I was already cooling on the online systems the way things were headed here since being bought out.
Think this is the sign for me to cancel my sub and start committing to running without the Beyond suite.
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DId you know? The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte". Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and Let them know your thoughts!
Removing "a la carte" is one thing, but forcing me to now pay the full price for an e-book which I previously already bought over have it's content (or for some few everything but the compendium) is the worst move I ever saw.
It's like buying ingredents for your meal one after the other, but now you additionally have to pay for the whole meal too, paying ~twice the amount in the end.
If there aren't coming any great sales above 50% off, I'll probably never buy anything again.
I could understand a la carte not being on the table for partnered content. But this is crazy. Buying stuff piecemeal over time eventually pushed me to fully purchase several books. And I'd rather not buy a book at all than spend $30 on the $5 worth of content that actually interested me.
All we can really do is make our displeasure known and pressure WotC to back down.
FYI, I've bought a fair bit piecemeal from the Eberron setting book. I just tested to see how much I'd be charged, and it showed the full $30. So that feature is NOT working right now as best I can tell.
The announcement they put up says "However, any individual items you've previously purchased will continue to be available for use on D&D Beyond, and those purchases will still be credited toward the cost of the books they originally came from" so looks like we do still get credited for anything we previously purchased but when I add anything to my cart it doesn't deduct the credit. Emailed customer service to see what they say and hopefully it's just a glitch from the change over
The announcement they put up says "However, any individual items you've previously purchased will continue to be available for use on D&D Beyond, and those purchases will still be credited toward the cost of the books they originally came from" so looks like we do still get credited for anything we previously purchased but when I add anything to my cart it doesn't deduct the credit. Emailed customer service to see what they say and hopefully it's just a glitch from the change over
Hopefully it's just a bug, but that's what annoys me the most about this update.
Also, it seems there's no filter anymore for already purchased books.
And, I might have overlooked it, but I think they also removed the bundles.
I'm kind of speechless they've removed the option for individual purchases.
If I just want a feat, or a background, or a species, or a spell, or a subclass, I'm not going to get an entire book I don't want 99% of just to get that individual thing. I'll just not buy it at all.
All true, especially letting people know they should buy any books they have bought parts of BEFORE taking it away. That is what is borderline criminal, taking away the option for piece meal is a strange business choice, but what amounts to forcing people to pay for thing already purchased under an agreement by nullifying the agreement without notice is darn sure bumping the line of unlawful, but jumps right over the sleazy practices line. For many it is both a slap in the face while WotC's other hand is in your wallet.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
That's both a bit overdramatic imo and the intimations that it's criminal is factually incorrect. A business has the right to cease extending an offer to future customers at any time, unless they have specifically indicated the offer will remain for some duration. I guarantee you in the ToS none of us actually bothered to read when we were making purchases there's language to that specific effect that offers being extended to previous customers are not of themselves a guarantee they will remain in place for the future. And no, this is not some evil legal loophole that only corporations get to use, it's a fundamental cornerstone of contract law; you can put an offer out there, but barring other circumstances until the agreement has been finalized by both parties you have the right to retract that offer at will. It would certainly have looked a bit better for them if they'd given a heads up, but at the end of the day this is a business that operates to make money, and if they felt it would be more profitable to do this cold rather than let people get some final piecemeal purchases in, it's unrealistic to expect them to do otherwise. And the ethics of it on a personal level are, frankly, immaterial. WotC is not a person, it's a business, and one in the disposable income market. It is not concerned with how its actions affects each and every current or potential consumer personally, it's concerned with the most effect way to generate a profit.
Which is why I said "borderline", and "bumps the line", regardless it is a crappy thing to do to customers without notice or time to take advantage of a longstanding agreement.
As for dramatic, I guess that just depends on how much a customer stands to lose from this, seems quite a calloused position to defend this type of business practice to me.
As to doing it cold for profits, that just shows how they feel about their customers, given that significant changes like this (Legacy, sales tax....) have until now been telegraphed and timelined not instant and hardlined saps quite a bit of trust from their customers, time will tell how that works out for them.
The only money they will get from me may be another annual master tier sub next October, unless they allow the prior piece meal purchases a chance to buy the books with the credits for prior purchases.
They just keep stacking straw on the poor camel, it's almost like they want to make issues rather than a game.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
seems they made a post about it on the homepage in last 30mins or so
https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1709-d-d-beyond-marketplace-redesign-see-whats-new-here
I read the TOS, Privacy Policy, any pretty much all the legal stuff that changed when the company bought the site, compared it to previous owners legal disclaimers and after finding the subtle differences between the two, the point I got from it all was that at any given point, WotC or Hasbro can cut the lights off on anything they provide at any time and for no reason, to have or be given by them ( company ) for doing so, and there is not a thing we can do about it.
Why, cause in order to use the site via account, we had to agree. I agreed knowing full well what could happen, just never thought it would happen.
Words of the wise still ring true, caveat emptor, “Buyer Beware?!?!”
Still bummed they're not doing a-la carte anymore. Had some potential piecemeal things I was considering (Hadozee from Spelljammer really bums me since it's the only one where I had zero interest in ever buying the full book. And the others, while still sucky, are at least from books I could've considered.)
But at least they're going to fix the issue of reneging on their promises it seems.
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I literally built my DM style around making sure people were working within the rules by having them ask for classes and races cause I could buy them piecemeal and having them use the character builder still made sure they weren't homebrewing stuff that as a new DM I wouldn't notice. My players enjoyed it cause they could show if they purchased something I didn't have yet, and it made it easier for everyone.
We bought a big chunk of Zanathar's guide piecemeal and then when it was on a sale and I could afford it I got the rest of it. We also went through and added stuff from various other books that the players were looking into, but we didn't need the whole book, just the character builder option.
This decision is going to result in a lot of people just Homebrewing the piecemeal stuff from the book and losing dndbeyond money in the long run.
TL;DR ------- Bring back A la carte options and the a la carte discounts!!
Trying to DM | Lost my party due to removal of A la Carte options | Party no longer wants to use Beyond
Just adding another comment here that they will no longer recieve a single dollar from me unless they bring back individual purchases. Excel spreadsheets are now more convenient.
this is the absolute dumbest thing i can think that they could have done to themselves lol.. thats the end of them getting my money haha.
Can't wait to buy more Hasbro stocks when WotC keeps tanking their product 📉
Daggerheart looks like a fun alternative :)
This is the shittiest thing they’ve done since the OGL debacle. Are they stupid? I mean seriously are they stupid? I ask since messing up doesn’t mean someone is stupid but repeating the same mistake without ever learning from it is pretty much the definition of stupid.
Removing the a la carte, from the old ones, and in his fashion... How to broadcast you're run by thickhead corporates without saying it.
I was already cooling on the online systems the way things were headed here since being bought out.
Think this is the sign for me to cancel my sub and start committing to running without the Beyond suite.
DId you know?
The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte".
Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and
Let them know your thoughts!
Removing "a la carte" is one thing, but forcing me to now pay the full price for an e-book which I previously already bought over have it's content (or for some few everything but the compendium) is the worst move I ever saw.
It's like buying ingredents for your meal one after the other, but now you additionally have to pay for the whole meal too, paying ~twice the amount in the end.
If there aren't coming any great sales above 50% off, I'll probably never buy anything again.
I could understand a la carte not being on the table for partnered content. But this is crazy. Buying stuff piecemeal over time eventually pushed me to fully purchase several books. And I'd rather not buy a book at all than spend $30 on the $5 worth of content that actually interested me.
All we can really do is make our displeasure known and pressure WotC to back down.
FYI, I've bought a fair bit piecemeal from the Eberron setting book. I just tested to see how much I'd be charged, and it showed the full $30. So that feature is NOT working right now as best I can tell.
The announcement they put up says "However, any individual items you've previously purchased will continue to be available for use on D&D Beyond, and those purchases will still be credited toward the cost of the books they originally came from" so looks like we do still get credited for anything we previously purchased but when I add anything to my cart it doesn't deduct the credit. Emailed customer service to see what they say and hopefully it's just a glitch from the change over
Hopefully it's just a bug, but that's what annoys me the most about this update.
Also, it seems there's no filter anymore for already purchased books.
And, I might have overlooked it, but I think they also removed the bundles.
Yeah, bundles are gone but if you have have bought any of the bundles, you still get the discount.
I'm kind of speechless they've removed the option for individual purchases.
If I just want a feat, or a background, or a species, or a spell, or a subclass, I'm not going to get an entire book I don't want 99% of just to get that individual thing. I'll just not buy it at all.
Why let people buy things that they want when you can make people spend more money on books???
WotC has become the BBEG.