First, to the OP.... NICE. Congrats on the awesome roll. Hope you have a blast with your character. *Bladesingers are fun* *hint hint*
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Second, to the controversy...
It kind of amazes me that this is such a controversial subject. Like, I get that everyone has their preference. But that some people take their preference so far that it causes issues.
Rolling dice for stats is objectively fun. And I mean that literally - its tied into human physiology that random chance and gambling type things are fun for people, and our brain gives us lots of happy juice when we roll well. That said, rolling low gives 'feels bad, man' vibes and can create a bad feeling about a character they create, which in turn impacts gameplay. And there's the fact that large disparity in stats between PCs can cause headaches with a percentage of GMs and cause issues of overshadowing other players.
I don't really think the appeal and drawback of rolling stats is a big secret. Why is it so hard to acknowledge them, and that each table has their preference? That there are different levels and styles of DMing?
No joke, l just rolled 15,15,15,18,16,17 for my half elf wizard. With racial mods, its 15 Str, 18 Dex, 16 Con, 18 Int, 15 Wis, 18 Chr!!! This is my strongest character ever, and their only level one! This has to be the strongest wizard in existence! (in terms of the Str stat. Though at level 20, they will be very strong for other reasons)
Thank you, for once again, proving my point about why people roll for stats.
I created a dice-roller routine, and rolled 13 million sets of 4d6, drop the lowest, until I rolled a set of six 18's. I am sure I will find a DM willing to accept my 18's across the board.
I will absolutely accept that character into a game I run for you.
However, you will need to choose class, race, buy equipment, and unique back story for every character created before it. If you don't, they aren't legit.
Did I say the 13 millionth iteration? I meant the first iteration. The odds are the same.
You're saying that out of 13 million rolls the very first one was all 18s? Truly Astounding!!
And on the 2nd iteration I got four 6's in every one of the 6 rolls. I mean, the odds of rolling 24 6's in a row is not that big.
(1/6) ** 24th power is only 2.11 / 1 billion, then divided by a billion again, then divided by 10, or 2.11 x (10 ** -19). But whose really counting? I said I did it, and that is all that matters, just like how the OP rolled only one set of 6 rolls to get his wonder stats. It is not like he sat there are rolled for 30 minutes until he got a set he liked, while discarding all other sets because they are "not fun".
I truly wonder how many of these power rollers would quite literally roll the dice if the DM says "You get one shot at this, you roll them right now in front of me, and you play whatever you get. There will be no modifications, no take-backs, no floors. And if this char dies in the next 20 sessions, the next char also gets the same starting set, and that process continues, until a char with that set survives 20 sessions."
Or better, if online, the DM says "I will roll your stats." For a gambler, it is the same rush, the same "fun". One has the gambler touching the dice, like at a craps table. The other, he is pulling the wheel on a one-armed bandit, in this case, the DM being the machine.
I truly wonder how many of these power rollers would quite literally roll the dice if the DM says "You get one shot at this, you roll them right now in front of me, and you play whatever you get.
How do you find this strange? That's how we did it back in the day.
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I truly wonder how many of these power rollers would quite literally roll the dice if the DM says "You get one shot at this, you roll them right now in front of me, and you play whatever you get.
How do you find this strange? That's how we did it back in the day.
I don't find it strange.I agree, that was how it was done back in the day. But now, I think the 27 point buy, or any static non-random system is the only way to create stats fairly. Whenever I see a power-gamer saying "the dice gods love me", I wonder how many times they rolled before the got that wondrous set of rolls.
You can stop accusing Newper, and anyone else who's rolled for stats in 5e, of cheating any time now.
Newper got lucky and was excited about getting lucky. He wanted to share. He got great rolls and was looking forward to using them. He does not need your grumpiness, and I will not stand for further accusations from you. Lucky rolls happen, just like unlucky ones. He never said he didn't roll them at the table in front of the DM. Clearly his DM accepted the rolls. Nobody asked you to come in here and try to sabotage the guy's fun with your nasty accusations.
I truly wonder how many of these power rollers would quite literally roll the dice if the DM says "You get one shot at this, you roll them right now in front of me, and you play whatever you get.
How do you find this strange? That's how we did it back in the day.
I don't find it strange.I agree, that was how it was done back in the day. But now, I think the 27 point buy, or any static non-random system is the only way to create stats fairly. Whenever I see a power-gamer saying "the dice gods love me", I wonder how many times they rolled before the got that wondrous set of rolls.
Vince, you're not even trying to use logic or make sensible arguments here. All you're doing is casting aspersions on people you don't know and have never played with. Players who roll must be cheaters, and their DMs must be pushovers to let them get away with it. It's uncalled for, it's insulting, and quite frankly suggests more about you and how your group interacts than anyone or anything else. Rolling for stats wouldn't work for you because players cheat and the DM is not capable enough to draw a line in the sand? Then I'm genuinely sorry for you. I assume you're still very much enjoying the game, but at the same time I hope in the future you'll find groups that are trustworthy and that you'll be able to bring yourself to trust them.
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I truly wonder how many of these power rollers would quite literally roll the dice if the DM says "You get one shot at this, you roll them right now in front of me, and you play whatever you get.
How do you find this strange? That's how we did it back in the day.
I don't find it strange.I agree, that was how it was done back in the day. But now, I think the 27 point buy, or any static non-random system is the only way to create stats fairly. Whenever I see a power-gamer saying "the dice gods love me", I wonder how many times they rolled before the got that wondrous set of rolls.
Vince, you're not even trying to use logic or make sensible arguments here. All you're doing is casting aspersions on people you don't know and have never played with. Players who roll must be cheaters, and their DMs must be pushovers to let them get away with it. It's uncalled for, it's insulting, and quite frankly suggests more about you and how your group interacts than anyone or anything else. Rolling for stats wouldn't work for you because players cheat and the DM is not capable enough to draw a line in the sand? Then I'm genuinely sorry for you. I assume you're still very much enjoying the game, but at the same time I hope in the future you'll find groups that are trustworthy and that you'll be able to bring yourself to trust them.
I have played in umpteen games over my lifetime. I have seen what happens when a DM (not in my game, because we don't roll), let's players roll on the honour system. So yeah, I have enough history to know that players do cheat with their stats.
Your bad history is irrelevant here. You have no reason, and no call, to insult Newper and accuse him of cheating when you've never met him before in your life and never once shared a table with him. Whatever bad-faith nonsense your old players inflicted on you is their problem and your problem, not Newper's problem.
My experience is that there's a lot of rolling up multiple characters and then picking the best that no-one actually thinks of as cheating. However, it's certainly possible to have rolling for stats where everyone does it totally legit.
I truly wonder how many of these power rollers would quite literally roll the dice if the DM says "You get one shot at this, you roll them right now in front of me, and you play whatever you get.
How do you find this strange? That's how we did it back in the day.
I don't find it strange.I agree, that was how it was done back in the day. But now, I think the 27 point buy, or any static non-random system is the only way to create stats fairly. Whenever I see a power-gamer saying "the dice gods love me", I wonder how many times they rolled before the got that wondrous set of rolls.
Vince, you're not even trying to use logic or make sensible arguments here. All you're doing is casting aspersions on people you don't know and have never played with. Players who roll must be cheaters, and their DMs must be pushovers to let them get away with it. It's uncalled for, it's insulting, and quite frankly suggests more about you and how your group interacts than anyone or anything else. Rolling for stats wouldn't work for you because players cheat and the DM is not capable enough to draw a line in the sand? Then I'm genuinely sorry for you. I assume you're still very much enjoying the game, but at the same time I hope in the future you'll find groups that are trustworthy and that you'll be able to bring yourself to trust them.
I have played in umpteen games over my lifetime. I have seen what happens when a DM (not in my game, because we don't roll), let's players roll on the honour system. So yeah, I have enough history to know that players do cheat with their stats.
There are plenty of groups where players have the common decency not to cheat, and plenty of DMs who don't let their players walk over them. There's also no requirement to use the honour system if a group isn't to be trusted with that, so that's not really an argument. Regardless, I hope you'll get to play with a group that's close enough not to feel a need to cheat, and that wouldn't pressure you into a mulligan in case of bad stat rolls. It doesn't matter that you don't roll. You can choose not to roll for any number of reasons. What matters is that groups should be better than cheating each other or twisting the DM's arm.
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My experience is that there's a lot of rolling up multiple characters and then picking the best that no-one actually thinks of as cheating.
If that's what the group agreed to do, it isn't cheating.
Oh, sure, but it does produce substantially higher stats than you get out of RAW. If you don't mind your PCs walking all over same-level encounters, it's actually a better option than RAW, because it increases the floor by much less than it increases the ceiling, resulting in less variance between PCs.
DnDNewper, If you don’t mind me asking, what kind of Wizard do you want to play and have you come up with your backstory. The Lore and Story section of the Forum has several backstory threads if you wish to look for inspiration and get some feedback. The Wizard section of the forum also may have some threads that can give you fun ideas for spells to use, feat to acquire and any neat mechanical combos that work well together. Maybe even some multi-class ideas that could fit with your character concept.
When I first posted about how the topic of the thread was controversial, it wasn’t intended to dismiss your excitement for your rolls . I was just fearful (and rightly so it seems) that this thread could spiral into the typical arguments of being for or against rolling, and I didn’t want you to be blind-sighted by some of the harshness that tends to permeate from said arguments.
As said many times on several threads, different tables do different things. Some tables don’t use homebrew content at all and others use copious amounts of homebrew. Some tables only play in the Forgotten Realms while others play in different settings or even original ones. Some tables use variant rules or house rules and other tables use RAW or RAI that stick as closely to the original rules as possible. Many tables allow every races, class and subclass in print while others restrict what player options are available for what ever reasons they decide on. And some tables use Point Buy or Standard Array to determine stats, and other tables use various rolling for stat methods or some other variation of stat generation.
Nobody’s method of playing D&D is better then another’s. All that matters is that each table has fun playing regardless of the rules they establish. My problem isn’t that someone dislikes rolling. It’s very understandable why people may dislike this method. What I can’t stand is having people insult, belittle or put words in the mouths of both me, my player group, and others for enjoying how we play D&D. We can agree to disagree, just please be respectful about it.
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Your bad history is irrelevant here. You have no reason, and no call, to insult Newper and accuse him of cheating when you've never met him before in your life and never once shared a table with him. Whatever bad-faith nonsense your old players inflicted on you is their problem and your problem, not Newper's problem.
Stop. It.
Nice try. Don't put words in my mouth. I never accused anyone specifically of cheating.
My experience is that there's a lot of rolling up multiple characters and then picking the best that no-one actually thinks of as cheating.
If that's what the group agreed to do, it isn't cheating.
Oh, sure, but it does produce substantially higher stats than you get out of RAW. If you don't mind your PCs walking all over same-level encounters, it's actually a better option than RAW, because it increases the floor by much less than it increases the ceiling, resulting in less variance between PCs.
"Same-level" is a bit hit and miss in any case, both on the encounter side (CRs are hardly exact and depending on party composition what's a breeze for one party could be quite challenging for another party of equal level) andon the party side (experienced players with optimized characters vs newer players with more whimsically built ones makes for a massive difference), and there's no hard rule dictating what level encounters DMs should use anyway. Building or tweaking (and running!) encounters in function of a specific party is a worthwhile task for any DM.
(and I think you meant "by much more than" ;-) )
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Your bad history is irrelevant here. You have no reason, and no call, to insult Newper and accuse him of cheating when you've never met him before in your life and never once shared a table with him. Whatever bad-faith nonsense your old players inflicted on you is their problem and your problem, not Newper's problem.
Stop. It.
Nice try. Don't put words in my mouth. I never accused anyone specifically of cheating.
You are being asinine and ruining people's excitement though. The very core and soul of D&D is about having fun, and it is as clear as daylight for everyone else here to see that you are the one killing it. You are no savior of this hobby, far from it. Nobody wants your negativity and toxicity, and the D&D community would be better off without this kind of behavior. Cut. That. Shit. Out.
The mods might tolerate your behavior, but I do not. Although there is not much I can do, I can still call you out on your behavior. It is annoying, obnoxious, and rude to demean and badmouth players, especially those that are not your own, for something as harmless as gameplay preferences. It is quite frankly disgusting and embarrassing to see this kind of behavior coming from another GM, let alone adult.
If you have nothing nice to say in a thread like this, then shut up and leave. This is not some obscure etiquette. This is common courtesy and basic manners 101.
I did. But this makes me consider another option: make it into a feature. Instead of rolling 4k3, roll 3d6 per stat, in order ... and you're allowed to roll up a dozen characters and keep the one you like best. And if it seems really horrible, you can throw away the entire sheet and start again. Getting super stats is very unlikely (under 1% to get 86+ attribute points) and the stats might be inconveniently arranged, and since you've got the 'throw them away' option, no-one will be really terribly bad. This is a bit reliant on player boredom to prevent doing this until you get the perfect stats, but even with an auto-roller super builds may not be that super (for example, I rolled Str 16/Dex 17/Con 10/Int 11/Wis 17/Cha 12. Yeah, that's 83 attribute points and certainly won't be a bad PC, maybe a ranger or something, but that Con is a bit scary...).
I truly wonder how many of these power rollers would quite literally roll the dice if the DM says "You get one shot at this, you roll them right now in front of me, and you play whatever you get.
How do you find this strange? That's how we did it back in the day.
I don't find it strange.I agree, that was how it was done back in the day. But now, I think the 27 point buy, or any static non-random system is the only way to create stats fairly. Whenever I see a power-gamer saying "the dice gods love me", I wonder how many times they rolled before the got that wondrous set of rolls.
Vince, you're not even trying to use logic or make sensible arguments here. All you're doing is casting aspersions on people you don't know and have never played with. Players who roll must be cheaters, and their DMs must be pushovers to let them get away with it. It's uncalled for, it's insulting, and quite frankly suggests more about you and how your group interacts than anyone or anything else. Rolling for stats wouldn't work for you because players cheat and the DM is not capable enough to draw a line in the sand? Then I'm genuinely sorry for you. I assume you're still very much enjoying the game, but at the same time I hope in the future you'll find groups that are trustworthy and that you'll be able to bring yourself to trust them.
I have played in umpteen games over my lifetime. I have seen what happens when a DM (not in my game, because we don't roll), let's players roll on the honour system. So yeah, I have enough history to know that players do cheat with their stats.
These are your feelings, not facts. Take your signature and amend it.
I don't think this is controversial, but I see someone else does. And then there's that person that I knew would turn up. I for one will just congratulate you on your stuff. What did the other players roll btw?
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First, to the OP.... NICE. Congrats on the awesome roll. Hope you have a blast with your character. *Bladesingers are fun* *hint hint*
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Second, to the controversy...
It kind of amazes me that this is such a controversial subject. Like, I get that everyone has their preference. But that some people take their preference so far that it causes issues.
Rolling dice for stats is objectively fun. And I mean that literally - its tied into human physiology that random chance and gambling type things are fun for people, and our brain gives us lots of happy juice when we roll well. That said, rolling low gives 'feels bad, man' vibes and can create a bad feeling about a character they create, which in turn impacts gameplay. And there's the fact that large disparity in stats between PCs can cause headaches with a percentage of GMs and cause issues of overshadowing other players.
I don't really think the appeal and drawback of rolling stats is a big secret. Why is it so hard to acknowledge them, and that each table has their preference? That there are different levels and styles of DMing?
And on the 2nd iteration I got four 6's in every one of the 6 rolls. I mean, the odds of rolling 24 6's in a row is not that big.
(1/6) ** 24th power is only 2.11 / 1 billion, then divided by a billion again, then divided by 10, or 2.11 x (10 ** -19). But whose really counting? I said I did it, and that is all that matters, just like how the OP rolled only one set of 6 rolls to get his wonder stats. It is not like he sat there are rolled for 30 minutes until he got a set he liked, while discarding all other sets because they are "not fun".
I truly wonder how many of these power rollers would quite literally roll the dice if the DM says "You get one shot at this, you roll them right now in front of me, and you play whatever you get. There will be no modifications, no take-backs, no floors. And if this char dies in the next 20 sessions, the next char also gets the same starting set, and that process continues, until a char with that set survives 20 sessions."
Or better, if online, the DM says "I will roll your stats." For a gambler, it is the same rush, the same "fun". One has the gambler touching the dice, like at a craps table. The other, he is pulling the wheel on a one-armed bandit, in this case, the DM being the machine.
Hopefully the other players in the game rolled well enough that they don't get outshined by those stats lol - that's my one problem with rolling.
But I DO agree that it's much more satisfying and fun to roll for stats rather than take point buy, even though I think that's more fair
I know what you're thinking: "In that flurry of blows, did he use all his ki points, or save one?" Well, are ya feeling lucky, punk?
How do you find this strange? That's how we did it back in the day.
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I don't find it strange.I agree, that was how it was done back in the day. But now, I think the 27 point buy, or any static non-random system is the only way to create stats fairly. Whenever I see a power-gamer saying "the dice gods love me", I wonder how many times they rolled before the got that wondrous set of rolls.
Vince Snetterton.
You can stop accusing Newper, and anyone else who's rolled for stats in 5e, of cheating any time now.
Newper got lucky and was excited about getting lucky. He wanted to share. He got great rolls and was looking forward to using them. He does not need your grumpiness, and I will not stand for further accusations from you. Lucky rolls happen, just like unlucky ones. He never said he didn't roll them at the table in front of the DM. Clearly his DM accepted the rolls. Nobody asked you to come in here and try to sabotage the guy's fun with your nasty accusations.
Please do not contact or message me.
Vince, you're not even trying to use logic or make sensible arguments here. All you're doing is casting aspersions on people you don't know and have never played with. Players who roll must be cheaters, and their DMs must be pushovers to let them get away with it. It's uncalled for, it's insulting, and quite frankly suggests more about you and how your group interacts than anyone or anything else. Rolling for stats wouldn't work for you because players cheat and the DM is not capable enough to draw a line in the sand? Then I'm genuinely sorry for you. I assume you're still very much enjoying the game, but at the same time I hope in the future you'll find groups that are trustworthy and that you'll be able to bring yourself to trust them.
Want to start playing but don't have anyone to play with? You can try these options: [link].
I have played in umpteen games over my lifetime. I have seen what happens when a DM (not in my game, because we don't roll), let's players roll on the honour system. So yeah, I have enough history to know that players do cheat with their stats.
Your bad history is irrelevant here. You have no reason, and no call, to insult Newper and accuse him of cheating when you've never met him before in your life and never once shared a table with him. Whatever bad-faith nonsense your old players inflicted on you is their problem and your problem, not Newper's problem.
Stop. It.
Please do not contact or message me.
My experience is that there's a lot of rolling up multiple characters and then picking the best that no-one actually thinks of as cheating. However, it's certainly possible to have rolling for stats where everyone does it totally legit.
There are plenty of groups where players have the common decency not to cheat, and plenty of DMs who don't let their players walk over them. There's also no requirement to use the honour system if a group isn't to be trusted with that, so that's not really an argument. Regardless, I hope you'll get to play with a group that's close enough not to feel a need to cheat, and that wouldn't pressure you into a mulligan in case of bad stat rolls. It doesn't matter that you don't roll. You can choose not to roll for any number of reasons. What matters is that groups should be better than cheating each other or twisting the DM's arm.
Want to start playing but don't have anyone to play with? You can try these options: [link].
If that's what the group agreed to do, it isn't cheating.
Want to start playing but don't have anyone to play with? You can try these options: [link].
Oh, sure, but it does produce substantially higher stats than you get out of RAW. If you don't mind your PCs walking all over same-level encounters, it's actually a better option than RAW, because it increases the floor by much less than it increases the ceiling, resulting in less variance between PCs.
DnDNewper, If you don’t mind me asking, what kind of Wizard do you want to play and have you come up with your backstory. The Lore and Story section of the Forum has several backstory threads if you wish to look for inspiration and get some feedback. The Wizard section of the forum also may have some threads that can give you fun ideas for spells to use, feat to acquire and any neat mechanical combos that work well together. Maybe even some multi-class ideas that could fit with your character concept.
When I first posted about how the topic of the thread was controversial, it wasn’t intended to dismiss your excitement for your rolls . I was just fearful (and rightly so it seems) that this thread could spiral into the typical arguments of being for or against rolling, and I didn’t want you to be blind-sighted by some of the harshness that tends to permeate from said arguments.
As said many times on several threads, different tables do different things. Some tables don’t use homebrew content at all and others use copious amounts of homebrew. Some tables only play in the Forgotten Realms while others play in different settings or even original ones. Some tables use variant rules or house rules and other tables use RAW or RAI that stick as closely to the original rules as possible. Many tables allow every races, class and subclass in print while others restrict what player options are available for what ever reasons they decide on. And some tables use Point Buy or Standard Array to determine stats, and other tables use various rolling for stat methods or some other variation of stat generation.
Nobody’s method of playing D&D is better then another’s. All that matters is that each table has fun playing regardless of the rules they establish. My problem isn’t that someone dislikes rolling. It’s very understandable why people may dislike this method. What I can’t stand is having people insult, belittle or put words in the mouths of both me, my player group, and others for enjoying how we play D&D. We can agree to disagree, just please be respectful about it.
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Nice try. Don't put words in my mouth. I never accused anyone specifically of cheating.
"Same-level" is a bit hit and miss in any case, both on the encounter side (CRs are hardly exact and depending on party composition what's a breeze for one party could be quite challenging for another party of equal level) andon the party side (experienced players with optimized characters vs newer players with more whimsically built ones makes for a massive difference), and there's no hard rule dictating what level encounters DMs should use anyway. Building or tweaking (and running!) encounters in function of a specific party is a worthwhile task for any DM.
(and I think you meant "by much more than" ;-) )
Want to start playing but don't have anyone to play with? You can try these options: [link].
You are being asinine and ruining people's excitement though. The very core and soul of D&D is about having fun, and it is as clear as daylight for everyone else here to see that you are the one killing it. You are no savior of this hobby, far from it. Nobody wants your negativity and toxicity, and the D&D community would be better off without this kind of behavior. Cut. That. Shit. Out.
The mods might tolerate your behavior, but I do not. Although there is not much I can do, I can still call you out on your behavior. It is annoying, obnoxious, and rude to demean and badmouth players, especially those that are not your own, for something as harmless as gameplay preferences. It is quite frankly disgusting and embarrassing to see this kind of behavior coming from another GM, let alone adult.
If you have nothing nice to say in a thread like this, then shut up and leave. This is not some obscure etiquette. This is common courtesy and basic manners 101.
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I did. But this makes me consider another option: make it into a feature. Instead of rolling 4k3, roll 3d6 per stat, in order ... and you're allowed to roll up a dozen characters and keep the one you like best. And if it seems really horrible, you can throw away the entire sheet and start again. Getting super stats is very unlikely (under 1% to get 86+ attribute points) and the stats might be inconveniently arranged, and since you've got the 'throw them away' option, no-one will be really terribly bad. This is a bit reliant on player boredom to prevent doing this until you get the perfect stats, but even with an auto-roller super builds may not be that super (for example, I rolled Str 16/Dex 17/Con 10/Int 11/Wis 17/Cha 12. Yeah, that's 83 attribute points and certainly won't be a bad PC, maybe a ranger or something, but that Con is a bit scary...).
These are your feelings, not facts. Take your signature and amend it.
Gratz on your roll. Hope it will be fun :)
I don't think this is controversial, but I see someone else does. And then there's that person that I knew would turn up. I for one will just congratulate you on your stuff. What did the other players roll btw?
Altrazin Aghanes - Wizard/Fighter
Varpulis Windhowl - Fighter
Skolson Demjon - Cleric/Fighter