Or is there any possibility and probability to keep purchased fifth Edition books in own D&D Beyond library when the new generation edition is published? Even though D&D One no longer supports the books from older editions (or I would think so when the rules and mechanics are completely renewed again)?
Based on previous books that got superceded, the old books simply get archived - still accessible to existing owners, but not available for purchase any more.
Okay, so in that case there is not necessarily a reason to worry if this is the case. My experience with eBooks is that when a newer edition or translation of an older book is published on the platform, the eBook platforms usually remove the older book versions and a reading licenses to them and you have to buy the same book again. That's why I started thinking about that before investing my money in the Player's Handbook, the Monster Manual and other books available in Beyond. About €35 price for an eBook is a lot of money and that's why I want to be sure that I'm not going to spend money on a book that I'll lose in a year or two after purchase because of delisting.
Okay, so in that case there is not necessarily a reason to worry if this is the case. My experience with eBooks is that when a newer edition or translation of an older book is published on the platform, the eBook platforms usually remove the older book versions and a reading licenses to them and you have to buy the same book again. That's why I started thinking about that before investing my money in the Player's Handbook, the Monster Manual and other books available in Beyond. About €35 price for an eBook is a lot of money and that's why I want to be sure that I'm not going to spend money on a book that I'll lose in a year or two after purchase because of delisting.
That sounds like you are referring to digital textbooks like McGraw-Hill or Pearson, which are similar, though not the same.
Okay, so in that case there is not necessarily a reason to worry if this is the case. My experience with eBooks is that when a newer edition or translation of an older book is published on the platform, the eBook platforms usually remove the older book versions and a reading licenses to them and you have to buy the same book again. That's why I started thinking about that before investing my money in the Player's Handbook, the Monster Manual and other books available in Beyond. About €35 price for an eBook is a lot of money and that's why I want to be sure that I'm not going to spend money on a book that I'll lose in a year or two after purchase because of delisting.
That sounds like you are referring to digital textbooks like McGraw-Hill or Pearson, which are similar, though not the same.
Kind of, I'm referring more to the general eBook a platforms like Bookbeat, Storytell, Nexstory, and Amazon Kindle, where they sell licenses for digital books.There are several books from different genres of literature that are easilly available for reading and listening in their services, but only for a fee. For example, guidebooks (cooking, crafts, games etc.), school books, prose (short stories, novels etc), poems and biographies. However, the sad and annoying side of those services is that if there is a new version or translation of some book, (let's say that the Sherlock Holmes and the Hound of the Baskervilles for example), the older one will be deleted, even for those who bought the license, and you will have to buy it again. And that's why I was just wondering before buying that if Beyond is a similar eBookshop like many others or if you can keep the older version of the book here even though it has been replaced by a new one.
Okay, so in that case there is not necessarily a reason to worry if this is the case. My experience with eBooks is that when a newer edition or translation of an older book is published on the platform, the eBook platforms usually remove the older book versions and a reading licenses to them and you have to buy the same book again. That's why I started thinking about that before investing my money in the Player's Handbook, the Monster Manual and other books available in Beyond. About €35 price for an eBook is a lot of money and that's why I want to be sure that I'm not going to spend money on a book that I'll lose in a year or two after purchase because of delisting.
That sounds like you are referring to digital textbooks like McGraw-Hill or Pearson, which are similar, though not the same.
Kind of, I'm referring more to the general eBook a platforms like Bookbeat, Storytell, Nexstory, and Amazon Kindle, where they sell licenses for digital books.There are several books from different genres of literature that are easilly available for reading and listening in their services, but only for a fee. For example, guidebooks (cooking, crafts, games etc.), school books, prose (short stories, novels etc), poems and biographies. However, the sad and annoying side of those services is that if there is a new version or translation of some book, (let's say that the Sherlock Holmes and the Hound of the Baskervilles for example), the older one will be deleted, even for those who bought the license, and you will have to buy it again. And that's why I was just wondering before buying that if Beyond is a similar eBookshop like many others or if you can keep the older version of the book here even though it has been replaced by a new one.
The short answer is no. When you make a purchase here, you are buying a license to use the most recent version of that book. If you like an older version and some errata comes through, you are out of luck because you did not purchase a license to a specific version. Rather, you agreed to use the most recent version of that product available always.
As for Amazon, I have never heard of your concern happening on anything other than digital rentals. The only occurrence I was able to find of purchased content being removed was in 2009 when a publisher listed a book that they did not have the rights to and Amazon responded by deleting the books from user’s devices. 2009 might as well have been 100 years ago for how much relevance it has in today’s digital landscape. I lost music I bought from Apple around that time because of new versions, but I have not heard of this being a recent occurrence outside of textbooks from textbook publishers, which again, are just rentals. I am sure however, that all platforms reserve the right to do so if they chose.
No one really knows. We'll find out in a couple of years.
That said, they "likely" will mark the books as "Legacy". You'll probably still be able to view them, but new players won't be able to buy them.
The thing to keep in mind is that Wizards of the Coast is moving to One D&D. They've already said it will be backward compatible with published adventures (as in, if you play Curse of Strad with the new rules, everything will be fine). However, we don't know what will happen on DnDBeyond. Will we still have access to the Character Builder with the old content? Will PCs build with the old content be able to join One D&D campaigns? Will legacy PCs work with the Encounter Builder or the VTT Wizards is working on?
Nobody knows the answers to these questions.I suggest putting $5.56 per month into a piggy bank so you can buy the new books when they are released.
Its an important question that I am glad the OP raised, because it really is important. I feel my purchases on D&D Beyond, have been limited, like others that when you have a hard copy of a book nobody, aside a burglar, can come to your home and take your product away. Also, the hard covers can be resold, even with a profit, over time.
Regarding online purchases, while places like amazon have been good to me in the past. Wizards of the Coast have deleted content and software from their sites, that have upset their fan base, and while some of these were exclusively free. D&D 4ed character builder, and the Facebook tiny adventures game. They were popular in their time and were pulled and became inaccessible. Tiny Adventures was a really fun, single player game on facebook, which was really interesting and a good hook for new players. Its actually one reason I started becoming more interested in reviving my old childhood memories.
Now that said, yes we have brought licenses and not actual physical or digital products to own. I think it should be noted to WotC that many players wish to support the D&D community and prefer to pay for a good service and someone's wage and investments, rather than just copy pirated PDFs from the internet.
I would have thought again the products purchased in your history will be accessible, although may become archived (especially over time). They may appear in a separate "older editions" store front. The majority of work has been done, so if they can keep the books accessible to purchase then it adds to profit.
However, I would think the D&D One VTT should be made separate from new editions like the One playtest (5.5 rather than 6th edition) we have seen in the latest new edition announcement. Programming languages (API) should still be relevant, so they don't have to completely box D&D Beyond 5th Edition content onto a back shelf, and players with the VTT license should be allowed to choose to play "5th revised edition/D&D One" or 5th edition.
Ideally, they would want to sell a very robust VTT package with a very strong longevity, with the aim of releasing old editions of D&D (if that's even possible due to TSR), new/latest editions and importantly settings of D&D and perhaps even a new roleplaying game itself.
I would think though it will be put in a package as D&D One VTT and "5th edition revised" together initially for consumers, then a statement depending on the economic climate, along the lines of "We'll happy to have players use their D&D 5th edition licenses in our new VTT and this will be available in the next quarter"
However, I would think the D&D One VTT should be made separate from new editions like the One playtest (5.5 rather than 6th edition) we have seen in the latest new edition announcement. Programming languages (API) should still be relevant, so they don't have to completely box D&D Beyond 5th Edition content onto a back shelf, and players with the VTT license should be allowed to choose to play "5th revised edition/D&D One" or 5th edition.
It's hard to say. I honestly think the VTT is going to be One D&D exclusive. I think they're going to tie the VTT to the character sheets, and I just don't think they're going to do the work needed to support 5e character sheets. Maybe they will, but I doubt it. It probably depends on the amount of work needed.
At the end of the day, players need to be prepared to spend $30 in 2024, and DMs will need to spend $60. That's not much in the grand scheme of things.
At the end of the day, players need to be prepared to spend $30 in 2024, and DMs will need to spend $60. That's not much in the grand scheme of things.
That really depends on how things are done. It seems as though classes and subclasses won't be interchangeable (without significant bodging, at any rate), so you could end up rebuying subclasses that are not already present in the new PHB. Buying more than the new versions of the core rules, while not mandatory, might be close to it.
I'm not sure that the books will stay at $30 either, even on DDB.
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To add on WOTC purchased or is buying DND Beyond for $146 million.
My personal thought is DNDB has become one of the single best resources for DND content. I also look at this acquisition as a good thing for us.
I also had read that the idea of One DND is that there will no longer be versions. Just patches and upgrades. The CORE rules of the DMG will be very similar. So of the changes I read in the PDF I approve of and others I say why bother.
So with DNDB being owned by WOTC I speculate your content here will be upgraded as WOTC coast upgrade.
I also see it possibly changing to a subscription for each Book rather than a purchase. With those of use who have purchased being grandfathered in.
I had also read somewhere that WOTC is teaming up with Foundry going forward.
Or is there any possibility and probability to keep purchased fifth Edition books in own D&D Beyond library when the new generation edition is published? Even though D&D One no longer supports the books from older editions (or I would think so when the rules and mechanics are completely renewed again)?
Based on previous books that got superceded, the old books simply get archived - still accessible to existing owners, but not available for purchase any more.
Okay, so in that case there is not necessarily a reason to worry if this is the case. My experience with eBooks is that when a newer edition or translation of an older book is published on the platform, the eBook platforms usually remove the older book versions and a reading licenses to them and you have to buy the same book again. That's why I started thinking about that before investing my money in the Player's Handbook, the Monster Manual and other books available in Beyond. About €35 price for an eBook is a lot of money and that's why I want to be sure that I'm not going to spend money on a book that I'll lose in a year or two after purchase because of delisting.
That sounds like you are referring to digital textbooks like McGraw-Hill or Pearson, which are similar, though not the same.
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Kind of, I'm referring more to the general eBook a platforms like Bookbeat, Storytell, Nexstory, and Amazon Kindle, where they sell licenses for digital books.There are several books from different genres of literature that are easilly available for reading and listening in their services, but only for a fee. For example, guidebooks (cooking, crafts, games etc.), school books, prose (short stories, novels etc), poems and biographies. However, the sad and annoying side of those services is that if there is a new version or translation of some book, (let's say that the Sherlock Holmes and the Hound of the Baskervilles for example), the older one will be deleted, even for those who bought the license, and you will have to buy it again. And that's why I was just wondering before buying that if Beyond is a similar eBookshop like many others or if you can keep the older version of the book here even though it has been replaced by a new one.
The short answer is no. When you make a purchase here, you are buying a license to use the most recent version of that book. If you like an older version and some errata comes through, you are out of luck because you did not purchase a license to a specific version. Rather, you agreed to use the most recent version of that product available always.
As for Amazon, I have never heard of your concern happening on anything other than digital rentals. The only occurrence I was able to find of purchased content being removed was in 2009 when a publisher listed a book that they did not have the rights to and Amazon responded by deleting the books from user’s devices. 2009 might as well have been 100 years ago for how much relevance it has in today’s digital landscape. I lost music I bought from Apple around that time because of new versions, but I have not heard of this being a recent occurrence outside of textbooks from textbook publishers, which again, are just rentals. I am sure however, that all platforms reserve the right to do so if they chose.
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No one really knows. We'll find out in a couple of years.
That said, they "likely" will mark the books as "Legacy". You'll probably still be able to view them, but new players won't be able to buy them.
The thing to keep in mind is that Wizards of the Coast is moving to One D&D. They've already said it will be backward compatible with published adventures (as in, if you play Curse of Strad with the new rules, everything will be fine). However, we don't know what will happen on DnDBeyond. Will we still have access to the Character Builder with the old content? Will PCs build with the old content be able to join One D&D campaigns? Will legacy PCs work with the Encounter Builder or the VTT Wizards is working on?
Nobody knows the answers to these questions.I suggest putting $5.56 per month into a piggy bank so you can buy the new books when they are released.
Its an important question that I am glad the OP raised, because it really is important. I feel my purchases on D&D Beyond, have been limited, like others that when you have a hard copy of a book nobody, aside a burglar, can come to your home and take your product away. Also, the hard covers can be resold, even with a profit, over time.
Regarding online purchases, while places like amazon have been good to me in the past. Wizards of the Coast have deleted content and software from their sites, that have upset their fan base, and while some of these were exclusively free. D&D 4ed character builder, and the Facebook tiny adventures game. They were popular in their time and were pulled and became inaccessible. Tiny Adventures was a really fun, single player game on facebook, which was really interesting and a good hook for new players. Its actually one reason I started becoming more interested in reviving my old childhood memories.
Now that said, yes we have brought licenses and not actual physical or digital products to own. I think it should be noted to WotC that many players wish to support the D&D community and prefer to pay for a good service and someone's wage and investments, rather than just copy pirated PDFs from the internet.
I would have thought again the products purchased in your history will be accessible, although may become archived (especially over time). They may appear in a separate "older editions" store front. The majority of work has been done, so if they can keep the books accessible to purchase then it adds to profit.
However, I would think the D&D One VTT should be made separate from new editions like the One playtest (5.5 rather than 6th edition) we have seen in the latest new edition announcement. Programming languages (API) should still be relevant, so they don't have to completely box D&D Beyond 5th Edition content onto a back shelf, and players with the VTT license should be allowed to choose to play "5th revised edition/D&D One" or 5th edition.
Ideally, they would want to sell a very robust VTT package with a very strong longevity, with the aim of releasing old editions of D&D (if that's even possible due to TSR), new/latest editions and importantly settings of D&D and perhaps even a new roleplaying game itself.
I would think though it will be put in a package as D&D One VTT and "5th edition revised" together initially for consumers, then a statement depending on the economic climate, along the lines of "We'll happy to have players use their D&D 5th edition licenses in our new VTT and this will be available in the next quarter"
It's hard to say. I honestly think the VTT is going to be One D&D exclusive. I think they're going to tie the VTT to the character sheets, and I just don't think they're going to do the work needed to support 5e character sheets. Maybe they will, but I doubt it. It probably depends on the amount of work needed.
At the end of the day, players need to be prepared to spend $30 in 2024, and DMs will need to spend $60. That's not much in the grand scheme of things.
That really depends on how things are done. It seems as though classes and subclasses won't be interchangeable (without significant bodging, at any rate), so you could end up rebuying subclasses that are not already present in the new PHB. Buying more than the new versions of the core rules, while not mandatory, might be close to it.
I'm not sure that the books will stay at $30 either, even on DDB.
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To add on WOTC purchased or is buying DND Beyond for $146 million.
My personal thought is DNDB has become one of the single best resources for DND content. I also look at this acquisition as a good thing for us.
I also had read that the idea of One DND is that there will no longer be versions. Just patches and upgrades. The CORE rules of the DMG will be very similar. So of the changes I read in the PDF I approve of and others I say why bother.
So with DNDB being owned by WOTC I speculate your content here will be upgraded as WOTC coast upgrade.
I also see it possibly changing to a subscription for each Book rather than a purchase. With those of use who have purchased being grandfathered in.
I had also read somewhere that WOTC is teaming up with Foundry going forward.
I highly doubt that. Maybe they will in a few minor cases, but I doubt they'll upgrade much for free.