Moving on to Pathfinder. Not only is the core rulebook easy to read, but the company cares. I will always support Foundry VTT and other 3rd parties. DND backstabbed and have lied in their statements. I find their response also rude. I love this game with all my heart, but sometimes it's just not meant to be. Can't wait to quest somewhere else.
That also looked good to me but are there any other recommendations for alternative systems?
Is it a subsidy when the "Subsidised party" is creating content that actually draws more business to one's company? And is it a removal of subsidy when one would charge upward of 25% royalty on anything one sells containing content that was previously drawing the above business to one? Or simply gouging for more profit (When one's business already makes a profit)? And as to DNDBeyond: They may not have been beholden to the old OGL. But they sure as the Nine Hells will be beholden to the new one. Based on the language as interpreted by people smarter than me. There's already a FOMO aspect built into DnDBeyond (A small one; but it's there): Having to buy digital copies in order to take full advantage of their suite is somewhat FOMO. But IF the new OGL hits...well, it will be horrific. 'Nuff said.
25% of gross revenue is definitely gouging, no argument here. And now it's 0%, so it's a moot point.
PF2 isn't drawing more business to D&D - quite the opposite in fact.
PF2 also isn't a product that requires the OGL.
Pathfinder 1, though, almost certainly kept a huge number of players in the hobby and DnD adjacent through 4th and into the creation of 5th - easily seen by the drop in players for PF1 when 5e came out. The value of that contribution will likely never be quantifiable, though it almost certainly provided a huge pool of initial players that helped 5e get going.
Understanding that I was referring to the greater Third-Party Community (*EG. Critical Role and others). Not just one "member".
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It's not the arrow with my name on it that worries me. It's the arrow that says, "To whom it may concern".
I already cancelled. Dndbeyond was a nice to have thing, but the truth is I can play dnd just as well with just a pen and paper and some dice. I'll spend the money on trying out new systems or buying extra snacks for the game nights.
Once we are done with all running campaigns (for which I am sharing), unless we have a true 1.0b then, cancelling is planned. Currently the plan is to migrate to a new system when campaigns end and new ones take their places.
I have to decide if I will renew my subscription to have access to the books I have already invested in. I don't see any of my money going to WOTC/Hasbro beyond that subscription. I won't buy new content on DnD Beyond because I don't trust WOTC decision-making and I definitely won't put ANY of my money into a VTT that they own. They were clearly hoping to fish me and everyone else into spending a lot more money for the same services, the VTT, and gimmick microtransactions. I'm not biting. The most they will get is my DnD Beyond subscription and only because I have bought some content when I had some trust in them. However, if my group stops playing 5E or WOTC keeps ticking me off I will just cut my losses and completely cut economic ties to WOTC.
I have to decide if I will renew my subscription to have access to the books I have already invested in. I don't see any of my money going to WOTC/Hasbro beyond that subscription. I won't buy new content on DnD Beyond because I don't trust WOTC decision-making and I definitely won't put ANY of my money into a VTT that they own. They were clearly hoping to fish me and everyone else into spending a lot more money for the same services, the VTT, and gimmick microtransactions. I'm not biting. The most they will get is my DnD Beyond subscription and only because I have bought some content when I had some trust in them. However, if my group stops playing 5E or WOTC keeps ticking me off I will just cut my losses and completely cut economic ties to WOTC.
You don't need a subscription to access your books unless you're sharing them with your group.
And for those that say they don't see how it would affect anyone that isn't using 3rd party content: There are a loooooot of writers and artists who do 3rd party stuff and also things for WotC on a project basis. If those people can't earn their living anymore with the work they do outside WotC they will need to walk away from doing D&D related things and as such won't be available as basically a creative human resource for WotC as well so the diversity and quality of WotC content will be affected majorly. Diversity furthers innovation furthers quality. So yes, it will affect everyone, even if you're only using WotC content.
And that's just the argument apart the moral one of not supporting a company that acts like WotC is doing at the moment. They talk about "big corporations" and stuff but as far as I know the next big company who's work is comparable with WotC is Paizo (Pathfinder) and they're making like a FRACTION of the revenue of WotC/Hasbro. It's just smoke screen BS.
My subscription lapsed a year or two ago and I remember having limited access to certain features. Perhaps, I assumed there were more limitations than I thought.
Contemptuous response by WotC. The content creators and fans of the game deserve a lot better than the tripe dressed up as a mea culpa. Corporate greed, stupidity, and spin of the highest order. WotC can't fail fast enough as far as I'm concerned; give D&D to someone who treats it and the fans with the respect they deserve.
I was waiting for more information before cancelling, but the disrespectful and dishonest response from WotC galvanised me into cancelling.
This is my story too. I was waiting for them to respond. I gave them the opportunity to fix this. And when their deceitful response arrived, rife with half truths and gaslighting, I cancelled.
I'm giving WoTC until 5pm Monday, Seattle time. Hey, they had the weekend to think it over. The entire D&D community has walked away already. If they don't respond by that time, they are doomed.
And I will cancel my sub then. That is, if these twats haven't blocked it technically, as they have been doing. Pathetic.
WOTC didn't have to write OGL 1.0a. The law didn't require that they release the SRD. They weren't required to release the SRD for 5e. They deserve more credit than they are getting. Yes, OGL 1.1 was a huge step in the wrong direction. They've admitted to the misstep and are saying they will present something more acceptable to the community. Now the community should do their part of waiting to see what they come back with. If you want to try other games, good on you! I have a bookshelf loaded with other games. But I'm not going to throw away my 5e books or give up on One D&D because of this mistake. 4e was a mistake to many and we forgave them.
Something about this current era makes folks judge more harshly than is fair, view every action in the worst light and refuse forgiveness to the penitent.
No, they didn't have to write OGL. But they did. And since they did, and kept it in place for as long as they did, we resent the loss. It'd be one thing if they just updated it to, for example, say "NO NFTS" but they went against it's primary intent (we know this because it's author has confirmed it). Until they actually present something more acceptable and not just say they will, I'm not buying back in. Until they acknowledge the fact they blatantly lied to us (kickstarter doesn't make a deal when it's a "draft awaiting feedback") and probably somebody important resigns, I'm not buying back in.
This is actually something that erodes trust so bad that it could kill or at least severely cripple 1D&D. They need so much more than they've put out to salvage this.
At this point, I would still unsubscribe even if they walked back their OGL changes completely, back to what it was before. They've shown their hand. When WotC says the OGL "exists for the benefit of the players", make no mistake: They are lying to us, and they think we'll believe them. They want us to forget so they can push through the changes they wanted anyway. If not now, they'll try again soon.
I will never monetarily support them again, and none of you should either.
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That also looked good to me but are there any other recommendations for alternative systems?
It will affects us as users. A massive reduction in 3rd party creative content.
Understanding that I was referring to the greater Third-Party Community (*EG. Critical Role and others). Not just one "member".
It's not the arrow with my name on it that worries me. It's the arrow that says, "To whom it may concern".
I already cancelled. Dndbeyond was a nice to have thing, but the truth is I can play dnd just as well with just a pen and paper and some dice. I'll spend the money on trying out new systems or buying extra snacks for the game nights.
Once we are done with all running campaigns (for which I am sharing), unless we have a true 1.0b then, cancelling is planned. Currently the plan is to migrate to a new system when campaigns end and new ones take their places.
I have to decide if I will renew my subscription to have access to the books I have already invested in. I don't see any of my money going to WOTC/Hasbro beyond that subscription. I won't buy new content on DnD Beyond because I don't trust WOTC decision-making and I definitely won't put ANY of my money into a VTT that they own. They were clearly hoping to fish me and everyone else into spending a lot more money for the same services, the VTT, and gimmick microtransactions. I'm not biting. The most they will get is my DnD Beyond subscription and only because I have bought some content when I had some trust in them. However, if my group stops playing 5E or WOTC keeps ticking me off I will just cut my losses and completely cut economic ties to WOTC.
I was waiting for more information before cancelling, but the disrespectful and dishonest response from WotC galvanised me into cancelling.
They've destroying the competition for decades and will continue to do so. WotC is a company and companies make money.
You don't need a subscription to access your books unless you're sharing them with your group.
Already cancelled.
And for those that say they don't see how it would affect anyone that isn't using 3rd party content: There are a loooooot of writers and artists who do 3rd party stuff and also things for WotC on a project basis. If those people can't earn their living anymore with the work they do outside WotC they will need to walk away from doing D&D related things and as such won't be available as basically a creative human resource for WotC as well so the diversity and quality of WotC content will be affected majorly. Diversity furthers innovation furthers quality. So yes, it will affect everyone, even if you're only using WotC content.
And that's just the argument apart the moral one of not supporting a company that acts like WotC is doing at the moment. They talk about "big corporations" and stuff but as far as I know the next big company who's work is comparable with WotC is Paizo (Pathfinder) and they're making like a FRACTION of the revenue of WotC/Hasbro. It's just smoke screen BS.
My subscription lapsed a year or two ago and I remember having limited access to certain features. Perhaps, I assumed there were more limitations than I thought.
Contemptuous response by WotC. The content creators and fans of the game deserve a lot better than the tripe dressed up as a mea culpa. Corporate greed, stupidity, and spin of the highest order. WotC can't fail fast enough as far as I'm concerned; give D&D to someone who treats it and the fans with the respect they deserve.
This is my story too. I was waiting for them to respond. I gave them the opportunity to fix this. And when their deceitful response arrived, rife with half truths and gaslighting, I cancelled.
I'm giving WoTC until 5pm Monday, Seattle time. Hey, they had the weekend to think it over. The entire D&D community has walked away already. If they don't respond by that time, they are doomed.
And I will cancel my sub then. That is, if these twats haven't blocked it technically, as they have been doing. Pathetic.
Biiiiit of an exaggeration here.
No, they didn't have to write OGL. But they did. And since they did, and kept it in place for as long as they did, we resent the loss. It'd be one thing if they just updated it to, for example, say "NO NFTS" but they went against it's primary intent (we know this because it's author has confirmed it). Until they actually present something more acceptable and not just say they will, I'm not buying back in. Until they acknowledge the fact they blatantly lied to us (kickstarter doesn't make a deal when it's a "draft awaiting feedback") and probably somebody important resigns, I'm not buying back in.
This is actually something that erodes trust so bad that it could kill or at least severely cripple 1D&D. They need so much more than they've put out to salvage this.
Canceled my subscription although I might re-sub depending on what they end up releasing in the new OGL.
And now I'm checking out Alchemy. ;)
It's not the arrow with my name on it that worries me. It's the arrow that says, "To whom it may concern".
At this point, I would still unsubscribe even if they walked back their OGL changes completely, back to what it was before. They've shown their hand. When WotC says the OGL "exists for the benefit of the players", make no mistake: They are lying to us, and they think we'll believe them. They want us to forget so they can push through the changes they wanted anyway. If not now, they'll try again soon.
I will never monetarily support them again, and none of you should either.