If it meant, for example, being able to access adventure paths without needing to buy them, along with the VTT, the AI DM and early access to new releases, then I could see that being worth it. But overall I agree, $15/mo is probably the ceiling of what they'll be able to get away with charging in practice.
Ehhh...I don't think I can agree with that. Let's break it down a bit.
At any given time, you're only realistically going to be using one adventure at a time (sure, there are those that run multiple, but the majority of us won't be, and there's downtime to consider as well). I've looked up the runtime for my current adventure, Rime of the Frostmaiden, and it's about a year. Let's say, to account for people who do run multiple campaigns, maybe RotFM is particularly long, maybe you like to go through sessions faster, etc, that you go through an adventure every 6 months or so.
Your intial cost is $90 for the core books, plus $60 per year. That's $150 for your first year. At $30 a month, that's $360 per year. Even for your first year, which is your most expensive one if you go the permanent route, you're paying $210 for a year of access to...the VTT? That's pretty darn steep. $17.50 per month. And, unlike buying the books outright, you don't get anything at the end of it. If you quit after sinking that $360 into the game, you're left with nothing. With buying the books, you can then play for free - or pay however much you want into the game. For your second year on, you're effectively paying $30 a month for your VTT. That's...a AAA videogame, every other month. Or enough to buy a new adventure, every month.
That's incredibly steep. Bearing in mind that D&D, if not done stingily, is already a reasonably expensive hobby. Also, is this $30 meant to be just the DM, or would they be expecting players to be contributing as well?
Maybe I'm just tight. I do look at what people want to buy on here and raise an eyebrow - even the hero tier seems to be a waste to me - so perhaps it is just me. However, $17.50 a month, rising to $30 a month to access a VTT seems awfully expensive, especially when it's free on Roll20 (albeit with substantially worse graphics, but still). The footage they showed seemed PlayStation era graphics, so I'm not terribly excited for it. I'd be willing to try it - but not at $30 for a month.
I'm waiting for WotC to start speaking about "we can do a massive brand synergy boost to ROI by making collectible PHB with boosts and special rare spells like "Black Lotus" that players can use and the DM has to allow it - it will totally drive repeat sales of PHB to get the rare spells, feats and subclasses"...
I wouldn't put it past WotC to try something that bone headed seeing as they are being run by corporate who do not understand their audience or what made their product successful in the first part.
I was going to laugh, until I realised that it's not complete hyperbole...
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If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
This isn't the first time this exact rumor and image have gone around. See response from last August about the exact same thing,, using the exact same image.
Yeah, how about no. I've tried to give WotC and Hasbro a little benefit of the doubt recently regarding the whole OGL situation. I thought there were some predatory practices that needed to be addressed, and some valid concerns about use of D&D IP. I'm glad they seem to have backed off of the more draconian measures of the OGL 1.1, however...
THIS is a huge no for me. Now, I know we haven't seen the "tiers" yet (I'm hoping there are tiers) and maybe the $30 dollar per month one is an amazing deal, with use of all content on the site, full access to a new and vibrant VTT with various maps, settings, effects, user-options, customization, etc. That might be worth it to some people who run many games per month virtually. Sure. But for me? Naw.
I'd be willing to pay a little more per year for use of a really good VTT if it was easily shared with other players in the campaign. I currently have the Master Tier ($60 per year), which is $5 per month. With a really cool VTT and maybe access to some other really great features, I could see raising it slightly, but paying to access homebrew content and some of the other things they are talking about? NO. Hell no.
$30 per month will lose WotC a huge amount of players, even more than the OGL 1.1 controversy.
Read your own title: "$30 per month rumor for Master Tier".
Rumor.
RUMOR!!!!
Do we really need yet another thread about RUMORS and speculation??? As it is already, 80% of the Gott Dang threads on the Forums are just a torrent of RUMORS and gott dang speculation. Because god forbid anyone on this entire website ever bother to take a deep breath and just wait for some actual FACTS to come out to base your decisions on!
Enough already. For hecksake, Mods, please - PLEASE - make one category to put all these threads into.
Well you could take your own advice… it says rumour in the title and no one made you come to the thread.
you could just… you know… keep scrolling and not engage with the rumours you say yoh don’t want to engage with. *shrug*
30 dollars for what? I dont know why cause the leak was intentionally vague. I tired of half truths/information from these leaks.
it was 30 dollars for a sub, essentially, someone got ahold of the old fakes from august that were proven a hoax and ran around with it
Oh i know. I'm pointing out how angry people are getting over information that is clearly incomplete and meant to rile up current problems. The ones pushing the anger need keep it going. I wont be surprised if a new Leak pops today to beat or twist the coming OGL 2 post.
I was hoping the original article I saw at the following link written after Jan 16th, 2023 was bad information. I was hoping for a quick OMG we wouldn't do that to our fan base as quick as they are backpedaling on the OGL firestorm. I posted the question here so I could hopefully get an authoritative response. At any rate here is the link I got my info from.
There’s a link at the start of the thread with an official response. A lot of he said/she said speculative theory crafting going on lately :/
I get the initial response to the OGL but it just seems like some (not all) are looking for more reasons to be upset and/or upset others in many of the most recent threads. Just an observation, feel how you feel.
I'm waiting for WotC to start speaking about "we can do a massive brand synergy boost to ROI by making collectible PHB with boosts and special rare spells like "Black Lotus" that players can use and the DM has to allow it - it will totally drive repeat sales of PHB to get the rare spells, feats and subclasses"...
I wouldn't put it past WotC to try something that bone headed seeing as they are being run by corporate who do not understand their audience or what made their product successful in the first part.
I was going to laugh, until I realised that it's not complete hyperbole...
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
This isn't the first time this exact rumor and image have gone around. See response from last August about the exact same thing,, using the exact same image.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/d-d-beyond-feedback/30499-request-and-vote-for-new-features-for-ddb?page=119#c2468
Yeah, how about no. I've tried to give WotC and Hasbro a little benefit of the doubt recently regarding the whole OGL situation. I thought there were some predatory practices that needed to be addressed, and some valid concerns about use of D&D IP. I'm glad they seem to have backed off of the more draconian measures of the OGL 1.1, however...
THIS is a huge no for me. Now, I know we haven't seen the "tiers" yet (I'm hoping there are tiers) and maybe the $30 dollar per month one is an amazing deal, with use of all content on the site, full access to a new and vibrant VTT with various maps, settings, effects, user-options, customization, etc. That might be worth it to some people who run many games per month virtually. Sure. But for me? Naw.
I'd be willing to pay a little more per year for use of a really good VTT if it was easily shared with other players in the campaign. I currently have the Master Tier ($60 per year), which is $5 per month. With a really cool VTT and maybe access to some other really great features, I could see raising it slightly, but paying to access homebrew content and some of the other things they are talking about? NO. Hell no.
$30 per month will lose WotC a huge amount of players, even more than the OGL 1.1 controversy.
30 dollar per month is madness!
Well since WotC likes to apparently test the waters with leaked rumors... no I would straight cancel my subscription.
Essentially.. if it costs more than Amazon Prime.. it's probably not worth it.
People are still here because they hope that their voices can still help turn things around.
Instead of worrying about them, consider that maybe the General Discussion forum just isn't the place for you right now?
Well you could take your own advice… it says rumour in the title and no one made you come to the thread.
you could just… you know… keep scrolling and not engage with the rumours you say yoh don’t want to engage with. *shrug*
https://twitter.com/DnDBeyond/status/1615879300414062593
30 dollars for what? I dont know why cause the leak was intentionally vague. I tired of half truths/information from these leaks.
it was 30 dollars for a sub, essentially, someone got ahold of the old fakes from august that were proven a hoax and ran around with it
Oh i know. I'm pointing out how angry people are getting over information that is clearly incomplete and meant to rile up current problems. The ones pushing the anger need keep it going. I wont be surprised if a new Leak pops today to beat or twist the coming OGL 2 post.
I was hoping the original article I saw at the following link written after Jan 16th, 2023 was bad information. I was hoping for a quick OMG we wouldn't do that to our fan base as quick as they are backpedaling on the OGL firestorm. I posted the question here so I could hopefully get an authoritative response. At any rate here is the link I got my info from.
https://www.thegamer.com/d-d-beyond-hasbr-wotc-price-hike-leak/
Thanks.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/general-discussion/162072-official-responses-to-recent-misinformation
There’s a link at the start of the thread with an official response. A lot of he said/she said speculative theory crafting going on lately :/
I get the initial response to the OGL but it just seems like some (not all) are looking for more reasons to be upset and/or upset others in many of the most recent threads. Just an observation, feel how you feel.
Thank you for the post. That gives me some piece of mind. Mods - As this has been debunked, can this thread be removed or at least locked?