Any random blog online that uses D&D Shorts as a source is a blog that I'm not going to trust. The guy has literally gotten almost all of his past insider leaks wrong.
D&D Shorts was wrong about D&D Beyond raising its subscriptions. D&D Shorts was wrong about Wizards of the Coast not listening to their feedback surveys. D&D Shorts invented ridiculous hypothetical situations about Wizards' revoking your Open Game License for jaywalking.
Why is this YouTuber trustworthy? He gets two leaks disproved, and all of a sudden, he has another piece of super secret information ready to go. But honestly, why should this information be any more accurate than his last "leaks"? Why should his anonymous insider sources - who have clearly badly misinformed him frequently - suddenly give him accurate information now?
I seriously can't believe that anyone trusts this guy. Does nobody understand what critical listening is? Just because one random YouTuber and Tweeter says something, that doesn't mean it's actually true. Ugh. Sorry for venting. It's just really annoying that so many people think an unverified rumor must be true "Because D&D Shorts said so!"
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Any random blog online that uses D&D Shorts as a source is a blog that I'm not going to trust. The guy has literally gotten almost all of his past insider leaks wrong.
D&D Shorts was wrong about D&D Beyond raising its subscriptions. D&D Shorts was wrong about Wizards of the Coast not listening to their feedback surveys. D&D Shorts invented ridiculous hypothetical situations about Wizards' revoking your Open Game License for jaywalking.
Why is this YouTuber trustworthy? He gets two leaks disproved, and all of a sudden, he has another piece of super secret information ready to go. But honestly, why should this information be any more accurate than his last "leaks"? Why should his anonymous insider sources - who have clearly badly misinformed him frequently - suddenly give him accurate information now?
I seriously can't believe that anyone trusts this guy. Does nobody understand what critical listening is? Just because one random YouTuber and Tweeter says something, that doesn't mean it's actually true. Ugh. Sorry for venting. It's just really annoying that so many people think an unverified rumor must be true "Because D&D Shorts said so!"
OK how about you consider the other perspective who viewed the same material? Treantmonk. Or consider that Ted from Nerd Immersion, lawyer Noah Downs, and Ginny Di haven't refuted anything DNDShorts said with the same information? Nor has DNDShorts walked back anything he said in the video. Kinda seems like you're a horse with blinders
Honestly, while I don't think of D&D shorts as terribly reliable, I don't think there's a serious problem with any of the things that were used for this article. The primary thing the author got from D&D shorts is
DND Shorts broke it down above, but it's looking like what the folks in charge of DND were planning was to create a proprietary virtual tabletop that would act as their primary money maker. People would pay a subscription fee to use it, there would be microtransactions for everything from outfits for your mini to effects from your spells, and it would finally be the answer to how you could get money out of everyone at the table, not just the Game Master who was the one that bought the majority of the rule books, campaign guides, etc. in the past.
Now, there's some focus issues here (WotC is not monolithic, it almost certainly has multiple people with plans, some of which are contradictory, but:
There's zero dispute that Wizards is planning on creating a proprietary VTT, given that Wizards has already shown test footage.
Wizards has not specified their monetization plan, but some combination of microtransactions and subscriptions is a safe bet.
Any random blog online that uses D&D Shorts as a source is a blog that I'm not going to trust. The guy has literally gotten almost all of his past insider leaks wrong.
D&D Shorts was wrong about D&D Beyond raising its subscriptions. D&D Shorts was wrong about Wizards of the Coast not listening to their feedback surveys. D&D Shorts invented ridiculous hypothetical situations about Wizards' revoking your Open Game License for jaywalking.
Why is this YouTuber trustworthy? He gets two leaks disproved, and all of a sudden, he has another piece of super secret information ready to go. But honestly, why should this information be any more accurate than his last "leaks"? Why should his anonymous insider sources - who have clearly badly misinformed him frequently - suddenly give him accurate information now?
I seriously can't believe that anyone trusts this guy. Does nobody understand what critical listening is? Just because one random YouTuber and Tweeter says something, that doesn't mean it's actually true. Ugh. Sorry for venting. It's just really annoying that so many people think an unverified rumor must be true "Because D&D Shorts said so!"
That is some poisoning the well stuff right there. I would point out that DnDshorts was a very small part of the post and really, the tthing that happened with his leaks wasn't the thing relied upon.
I would also like to point out that DnDshorts was relying on sources. Maybe those sources were wrong. Maybe they had a limited view of the situation. Maybe they had misinformation. Maybe they lied. Maybe DnDshorts should not have run with it as fact.
Also also, while I believe that the devs points were probably genuibne and not damage control, some of the other statements are not provable either way. They said they said, you know? I can deny a thing all I want, that doesn't mean I have proved it.
The same people who started this mess are the same that said, we never planned a 30 dollar sub. That is highly unlikely. I would be 10 baxillions of my dollars, some internal finance person did a study and found out exactly the magic number for subscription fee. I doubt it is 30 bucks for DnDBeyond. It might be for master tier of Sand Castle though. I am sure the 30 dollar number was floated out there. I will fully admit, Dndshorts is a bad journalist, perhaps even very bad. Vetting a person's identity is not the same ass vetting their info. Vetting their info is not even the same as corroborating it. 2 similar sources is not that. I do not trust him in the way you seem to mean, and I certainly don't need his facts to see what is happening here. I think it important not to poison wells, but to address the arguments and facts, especially the ones we can agree on. Then we can argue over interpretation, which is almost all of what I would accuse both his sources, and DnDshorts of being guilty of. Opinion is not fact, interpretation is not fact.
The same people who started this mess are the same that said, we never planned a 30 dollar sub. That is highly unlikely.
It's possible someone proposed it. It's highly unlikely that they planned on it, though -- pricing almost certainly isn't even in the plan at this point (pricing decisions are generally made closer to release), and at whatever point someone in marketing actually goes over the plan $30 isn't going to make the cut (because it doesn't take much market research to realize that people won't pay it).
The same people who started this mess are the same that said, we never planned a 30 dollar sub. That is highly unlikely.
It's possible someone proposed it. It's highly unlikely that they planned on it, though -- pricing almost certainly isn't even in the plan at this point (pricing decisions are generally made closer to release), and at whatever point someone in marketing actually goes over the plan $30 isn't going to make the cut (because it doesn't take much market research to realize that people won't pay it).
Agreed. My choice of planned was wrong.
Pretty sure 20 bucks is probably right. Depends on whether they have tiers and how much dlc you get added in. Keep in mind they currently try to change about 200 bucks a year for digital books and dand beyond. This is all theoretical anyway. Your point is good and I concede my language was faulty.
Pretty sure 20 bucks is probably right. Depends on whether they have tiers and how much dlc you get added in. Keep in mind they currently try to change about 200 bucks a year for digital books and dand beyond. This is all theoretical anyway. Your point is good and I concede my language was faulty.
I would be skeptical of the chances of managing more than the WoW standard of $15 and I wouldn't be shocked by a pure microtransactions model, but I'm not convinced WotC actually knows what they're doing in the electronic gaming space so them doing something that fails is entirely believable.
Grumpy, all the underlined sentence suggests is that the names you mentioned read censored versions of D&D Shorts' emails with his ever accurate "insider sources". The sentence states that those people "had contact with these sources and can confirm I'm honestly and accurately relating information." But what information did they have access to and did they know the names of the sources?
Giving out the names of insider sources is generally not a good idea. If the people giving Shorts' his information are caught, they would be fired and could be sued. Honestly, I think D&D Shorts' is smart enough to know not to do that, and the way he phrased things combined with the power of common sense suggests that the people who say they have verified Shorts' information likely don't know who the information is from. Given the accuracy of this YouTuber's recent "leaks", it seems highly unlikely that his sources will be correct, even if he doesn't "misunderstand" them and "accidentally" convey misinformation again.
In all honesty, I doubt that D&D Shorts is right even if he did give out his "insiders" real names and emails. The fact that these people are choosing to speak out shows they are dissatisfied. The fact that they are dissatisfied shows that their information will be biased. Given the accuracy of these recent "insider leaks", these sources are incredibly biased at a minimum.
The "people that started this mess" are the ones that have been leaking to Gizmodo and Shorts
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Grumpy, all the underlined sentence suggests is that the names you mentioned read censored versions of D&D Shorts' emails with his ever accurate "insider sources". The sentence states that those people "had contact with these sources and can confirm I'm honestly and accurately relating information." But what information did they have access to and did they know the names of the sources?
Giving out the names of insider sources is generally not a good idea. If the people giving Shorts' his information are caught, they would be fired and could be sued. Honestly, I think D&D Shorts' is smart enough to know not to do that, and the way he phrased things combined with the power of common sense suggests that the people who say they have verified Shorts' information likely don't know who the information is from. Given the accuracy of this YouTuber's recent "leaks", it seems highly unlikely that his sources will be correct, even if he doesn't "misunderstand" them and "accidentally" convey misinformation again.
In all honesty, I doubt that D&D Shorts is right even if he did give out his "insiders" real names and emails. The fact that these people are choosing to speak out shows they are dissatisfied. The fact that they are dissatisfied shows that their information will be biased. Given the accuracy of these recent "insider leaks", these sources are incredibly biased at a minimum.
I don't know what to tell you bud. I can't hand hold you through this whole thing. I'll end with a few points you'll disregard anyway.
- OGL 1.1 pointed clearly in the same direction that the leakers talk about. Like clear as day..
-Treantmonk was suspicious for the same reasons I keep seeing you and others say over and over. Until he was brought into the fold as a way to ease the community's doubts to the validity of the WotC leakers.. Treantmonk seemed satisfied with the validity of the information, then made his own 'lukewarm' take.
- The 6th leaker, who said the survey stuff was completely left out of the last video.
- "If the people giving Shorts' his information are caught, they would be fired and could be sued"
The leakers basically confirmed what I already thought based on the 1.1.. DnDShorts or not lol.. But i'm prob just thinking irrationally. Like my favorite person in the DnD community.
Are you really telling me that you don't get the analogy?
Wizards of the Coast is the murderer. They are trying to murder us, the community, by killing the OGL and removing our rights. They are the ones who started this ENTIRE thing, with their actions.
You don't say that leakers are to blame because they told you ahead of time that someone was planning on murdering you - the person to blame is the one who is doing the murder in the first place. Not the informant giving you a heads up about it.
I genuinely am surprised I had to explain this more.
Who's to blame; the guy attempting to murder the victim, or the victim for yelling that they're being murdered?
Who's trying to murder who? We're discussing unverified leaks about a game at the moment, not a trial for manslaughter.
Your analogy makes no sense.
Here, let me try to fix it.
Who's to blame: the corporation engaged in private negotiations with its partners to try and get a better deal for itself and over-reached at the start of the process, and that got caught flat-footed when things blew up after the first leak; or the people that leaked select parts of those private negotiations and managed to convince some folks that the corporation was made of that lump of Pure Evil from the end of Time Bandits and that the over-reach was actually an attack on the fans themselves and somehow an attempt to destroy the hobby, regardless of how little sense that actually makes when you stop letting someone press your Outrage button on the regular and actually think about the situation for a minute?
Oh wait, that isn't really an analogy, is it.
In the long run, the deal(s) WOTC will end up cutting with those partners probably will be more consumer and partner-friendly than they otherwise would have been as a result of the brouhaha, so if you're an end justifies the means kind of person, it's all cool, right?
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Wizards of the Coast is the murderer. They are trying to murder us, the community, by killing the OGL and removing our rights. They are the ones who started this ENTIRE thing, with their actions.
You don't say that leakers are to blame because they told you ahead of time that someone was planning on murdering you - the person to blame is the one who is doing the murder in the first place. Not the informant giving you a heads up about it.
Wizards of the Coast isn't murdering anyone though. They are modifying their License on their intellectual property? Stopping racism and hate is not killing the Open Game License. If they wanted to kill the OGL, they would have just gone on and done it without bothering to ask for our feedback on the contract.
But no, they are taking the advice of many members in the community and working in order to not kill third-party publishing. Updating your License and destroying it are different things. So far at least, Wizards of the Coast hasn't destroyed the Open Game License and has promised to keep it.
So yeah, be upset if someone is trying to kill you. However, no one is trying to do that. What Wizards is actually trying to do is please you and update their own License, while making it still available and helpful for third-party publishers. We're at a "Wait and see" moment right now, where Wizards of the Coast seems to be listening to us, but we don't know for sure whether or not the terms will be alright.
In other words, Wizards of the Coast is not killing anyone or anything. They have explicitly said they will not destroy the OGL. Screaming angrily is not - and will almost never be - justified. Getting riled up and angry is ineffective, calmly thanking Wizards for listening to you and then gently making your proposals is the logical and kind way to proceed. Inventing ridiculous hypothetical situations about murder does not in anyway justify anger and a lack of civility, which you seem to be saying it does.
In all honesty though, I do agree with you that leaking correct and important information is not necessarily a sin. However, if you repeatedly leak things that turn out to be false, then that is when issues start to arise. When you convey highly confidential business plans that could stoke up massive anger, you have a duty to the community to make sure you do not get them upset over nothing. Unfortunately, D&D Shorts' sources have consistently failed in this regard.
I don't know what to tell you bud. I can't hand hold you through this whole thing. I'll end with a few points you'll disregard anyway.
- OGL 1.1 pointed clearly in the same direction that the leakers talk about. Like clear as day..
-Treantmonk was suspicious for the same reasons I keep seeing you and others say over and over. Until he was brought into the fold as a way to ease the community's doubts to the validity of the WotC leakers.. Treantmonk seemed satisfied with the validity of the information, then made his own 'lukewarm' take.
- The 6th leaker, who said the survey stuff was completely left out of the last video.
The leakers basically confirmed what I already thought based on the 1.1.. DnDShorts or not lol.. But i'm prob just thinking irrationally. Like my favorite person in the DnD community.
Ignoring the clear passive aggressiveness that is present in this post, many of your points are speculation at best. Open Game License 1.1 had nothing about loot-boxes or Wizards of the Coast making video games and VTTs. Just because D&D Shorts' (routinely false) "insider leaks" appeal to your preconceived notions of Wizards doesn't necessarily mean that his information is accurate. The fact of the situation is that Shorts has been wrong over and over again, and trusting him at this point is approaching ridiculousness.
Just because one YouTuber believes another Youtuber doesn't mean that both of those people are correct. As I literally just outlined in the post you replied to, there are numerous ways in which the verification process Treantmonk was involved in could be flawed. The fact that D&D Shorts says the 6th leaker was left out doesn't mean this new rumor is true. Shorts has gotten a number of things wrong recently, not just his statements about Wizards of the Coast's feedback surveys, which was followed by a half-apology that shockingly didn't see any accusations of gaslighting...
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this mess all started with a leaked draft, what is a draft, a draft is a document that has yet to be finalized and in the case of a corporation still needs to go thru a board of director a legal dept and a couple other dept before being released.
people are complaining that Hasbro and WOtC are trying to boost their profit margin with 3rd party developers. all company's are looking for a profit that's what they are in business for. And if you think otherwise your living in a fairy tale and need to come back to reality.
I'm seeing a lot of mis-information flying about that needs to stop. although i have no proof but seems some of this mis-info points indirectly to a 3rd party developer (i won't mention who)
Some of you are saying you will unsubscribe from Beyond and boycott the movie, that's your propagative whatever rocks your boat. I'm not going anywhere and while I don't have high hopes the movie will be a box office smash i will still watch it
that's my 2 cents. you may not like it and you may flame me I don't care, I'll still sleep good tonight.
I'm seeing a lot of mis-information flying about that needs to stop. although i have no proof but seems some of this mis-info points indirectly to a 3rd party developer (i won't mention who)
I've had similar suspicions. The sheer speed with which things went from 'that's a bit concerning and worth keeping an eye on' to 'BURN IT ALL DOWN AAAAAAGH' strongly hinted at some astroturfing going on, too
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this mess all started with a leaked draft, what is a draft, a draft is a document that has yet to be finalized and in the case of a corporation still needs to go thru a board of director a legal dept and a couple other dept before being released.
people are complaining that Hasbro and WOtC are trying to boost their profit margin with 3rd party developers. all company's are looking for a profit that's what they are in business for. And if you think otherwise your living in a fairy tale and need to come back to reality.
I'm seeing a lot of mis-information flying about that needs to stop. although i have no proof but seems some of this mis-info points indirectly to a 3rd party developer (i won't mention who)
Some of you are saying you will unsubscribe from Beyond and boycott the movie, that's your propagative whatever rocks your boat. I'm not going anywhere and while I don't have high hopes the movie will be a box office smash i will still watch it
that's my 2 cents. you may not like it and you may flame me I don't care, I'll still sleep good tonight.
I draft as you describe is not something that goes out to parties outside the company for signature, which this died. Not a draft. It was never a draft.
Actually, what Hasbro appearsd to be doing is trying to fix the market, which is not the same as increase their margin. They did this befoire with 5e. They released a new license and tried to squeeze their biggest partner out of business. Instead, the created their biggest competition. No one is clueless as to what they are in business for. There are ethical business practices, and thejn there are unethical or malicious practices. That latter is what we have here. It also points to a business that fundamentally misunderstands their product and is trying to shift to making a new product while simultaneously attempting to make sure no one can make the old product, or the new product.
Let's complain about wild speculation and insider sources, then moments later engage in wild speculation and throwing around wier allegations that make only partial sense.
Leaks came out. Wizards said nothing. We all had a week to speculate and worry. The internet means everything happens super fast. I could have filmed my response to this and rendered the video and sent it to youtube, and it would have only taken about 2 hours. Of course it upset thrid parties. Who told the community they were upset. The community looked in to it and went, yeah that is the boobers. It isn't a plot.
Wait no I got it..... Paizomccritrolevillemattington secretly infilt5rated WOTC a yesar ago and made them hire the new president. Then they put a plan in place to coerce Wizards to try and set up a digital monopoly with a lic ense reissue that will make it harder for us to do business and ruin our profit margins. Then we will mobilize the community to fight back against Wizards so we could scramble around and try and find a new way to do business. Then they made wizards not say anything for a week while they controlled the narative so that wizards looked even worse. Then their secret insider moles wrote the worst response possible. And all it took was years of planning, deep cover agents and the lives of many Bothan spiues.
Or you know, a small community of creators started contacting each other when a billion dollar corporation threatened their livelihoods and tried to pivot to a new business model since in every damn piece of communication wizards puts out they maint6ain they are going to end the old license no matter what.
One of those seems rational, the other less so.
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Any random blog online that uses D&D Shorts as a source is a blog that I'm not going to trust. The guy has literally gotten almost all of his past insider leaks wrong.
D&D Shorts was wrong about D&D Beyond raising its subscriptions. D&D Shorts was wrong about Wizards of the Coast not listening to their feedback surveys. D&D Shorts invented ridiculous hypothetical situations about Wizards' revoking your Open Game License for jaywalking.
Why is this YouTuber trustworthy? He gets two leaks disproved, and all of a sudden, he has another piece of super secret information ready to go. But honestly, why should this information be any more accurate than his last "leaks"? Why should his anonymous insider sources - who have clearly badly misinformed him frequently - suddenly give him accurate information now?
I seriously can't believe that anyone trusts this guy. Does nobody understand what critical listening is? Just because one random YouTuber and Tweeter says something, that doesn't mean it's actually true. Ugh. Sorry for venting. It's just really annoying that so many people think an unverified rumor must be true "Because D&D Shorts said so!"
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HERE.OK how about you consider the other perspective who viewed the same material? Treantmonk. Or consider that Ted from Nerd Immersion, lawyer Noah Downs, and Ginny Di haven't refuted anything DNDShorts said with the same information? Nor has DNDShorts walked back anything he said in the video. Kinda seems like you're a horse with blinders
There is at least a grain of truth here.
Honestly, while I don't think of D&D shorts as terribly reliable, I don't think there's a serious problem with any of the things that were used for this article. The primary thing the author got from D&D shorts is
Now, there's some focus issues here (WotC is not monolithic, it almost certainly has multiple people with plans, some of which are contradictory, but:
That is some poisoning the well stuff right there. I would point out that DnDshorts was a very small part of the post and really, the tthing that happened with his leaks wasn't the thing relied upon.
I would also like to point out that DnDshorts was relying on sources. Maybe those sources were wrong. Maybe they had a limited view of the situation. Maybe they had misinformation. Maybe they lied. Maybe DnDshorts should not have run with it as fact.
Also also, while I believe that the devs points were probably genuibne and not damage control, some of the other statements are not provable either way. They said they said, you know? I can deny a thing all I want, that doesn't mean I have proved it.
The same people who started this mess are the same that said, we never planned a 30 dollar sub. That is highly unlikely. I would be 10 baxillions of my dollars, some internal finance person did a study and found out exactly the magic number for subscription fee. I doubt it is 30 bucks for DnDBeyond. It might be for master tier of Sand Castle though. I am sure the 30 dollar number was floated out there. I will fully admit, Dndshorts is a bad journalist, perhaps even very bad. Vetting a person's identity is not the same ass vetting their info. Vetting their info is not even the same as corroborating it. 2 similar sources is not that. I do not trust him in the way you seem to mean, and I certainly don't need his facts to see what is happening here. I think it important not to poison wells, but to address the arguments and facts, especially the ones we can agree on. Then we can argue over interpretation, which is almost all of what I would accuse both his sources, and DnDshorts of being guilty of. Opinion is not fact, interpretation is not fact.
It's possible someone proposed it. It's highly unlikely that they planned on it, though -- pricing almost certainly isn't even in the plan at this point (pricing decisions are generally made closer to release), and at whatever point someone in marketing actually goes over the plan $30 isn't going to make the cut (because it doesn't take much market research to realize that people won't pay it).
Agreed. My choice of planned was wrong.
Pretty sure 20 bucks is probably right. Depends on whether they have tiers and how much dlc you get added in. Keep in mind they currently try to change about 200 bucks a year for digital books and dand beyond. This is all theoretical anyway. Your point is good and I concede my language was faulty.
I would be skeptical of the chances of managing more than the WoW standard of $15 and I wouldn't be shocked by a pure microtransactions model, but I'm not convinced WotC actually knows what they're doing in the electronic gaming space so them doing something that fails is entirely believable.
Grumpy, all the underlined sentence suggests is that the names you mentioned read censored versions of D&D Shorts' emails with his ever accurate "insider sources". The sentence states that those people "had contact with these sources and can confirm I'm honestly and accurately relating information." But what information did they have access to and did they know the names of the sources?
Giving out the names of insider sources is generally not a good idea. If the people giving Shorts' his information are caught, they would be fired and could be sued. Honestly, I think D&D Shorts' is smart enough to know not to do that, and the way he phrased things combined with the power of common sense suggests that the people who say they have verified Shorts' information likely don't know who the information is from. Given the accuracy of this YouTuber's recent "leaks", it seems highly unlikely that his sources will be correct, even if he doesn't "misunderstand" them and "accidentally" convey misinformation again.
In all honesty, I doubt that D&D Shorts is right even if he did give out his "insiders" real names and emails. The fact that these people are choosing to speak out shows they are dissatisfied. The fact that they are dissatisfied shows that their information will be biased. Given the accuracy of these recent "insider leaks", these sources are incredibly biased at a minimum.
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HERE.The "people that started this mess" are the ones that have been leaking to Gizmodo and Shorts
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Or WotC could have tried not to make a pretty nasty OGL, trying to keep it under wraps until it was a done deal.
I don't know what to tell you bud. I can't hand hold you through this whole thing. I'll end with a few points you'll disregard anyway.
- OGL 1.1 pointed clearly in the same direction that the leakers talk about. Like clear as day..
-Treantmonk was suspicious for the same reasons I keep seeing you and others say over and over. Until he was brought into the fold as a way to ease the community's doubts to the validity of the WotC leakers.. Treantmonk seemed satisfied with the validity of the information, then made his own 'lukewarm' take.
- The 6th leaker, who said the survey stuff was completely left out of the last video.
- "If the people giving Shorts' his information are caught, they would be fired and could be sued"
The leakers basically confirmed what I already thought based on the 1.1.. DnDShorts or not lol.. But i'm prob just thinking irrationally. Like my favorite person in the DnD community.
LOL yeah, gotta love the people trying to blame the community's reaction on... the community itself.
Who's to blame; the guy attempting to murder the victim, or the victim for yelling that they're being murdered?
If you're upset about the noise and mad at the victim - you may want to reassess who's genuinely to blame for the situation unfolding.
(hint: it's the murderer!)
Who's trying to murder who? We're discussing unverified leaks about a game at the moment, not a trial for manslaughter.
Your analogy makes no sense.
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HERE.Are you really telling me that you don't get the analogy?
Wizards of the Coast is the murderer. They are trying to murder us, the community, by killing the OGL and removing our rights. They are the ones who started this ENTIRE thing, with their actions.
You don't say that leakers are to blame because they told you ahead of time that someone was planning on murdering you - the person to blame is the one who is doing the murder in the first place. Not the informant giving you a heads up about it.
I genuinely am surprised I had to explain this more.
Here, let me try to fix it.
Who's to blame: the corporation engaged in private negotiations with its partners to try and get a better deal for itself and over-reached at the start of the process, and that got caught flat-footed when things blew up after the first leak; or the people that leaked select parts of those private negotiations and managed to convince some folks that the corporation was made of that lump of Pure Evil from the end of Time Bandits and that the over-reach was actually an attack on the fans themselves and somehow an attempt to destroy the hobby, regardless of how little sense that actually makes when you stop letting someone press your Outrage button on the regular and actually think about the situation for a minute?
Oh wait, that isn't really an analogy, is it.
In the long run, the deal(s) WOTC will end up cutting with those partners probably will be more consumer and partner-friendly than they otherwise would have been as a result of the brouhaha, so if you're an end justifies the means kind of person, it's all cool, right?
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Wizards of the Coast isn't murdering anyone though. They are modifying their License on their intellectual property? Stopping racism and hate is not killing the Open Game License. If they wanted to kill the OGL, they would have just gone on and done it without bothering to ask for our feedback on the contract.
But no, they are taking the advice of many members in the community and working in order to not kill third-party publishing. Updating your License and destroying it are different things. So far at least, Wizards of the Coast hasn't destroyed the Open Game License and has promised to keep it.
So yeah, be upset if someone is trying to kill you. However, no one is trying to do that. What Wizards is actually trying to do is please you and update their own License, while making it still available and helpful for third-party publishers. We're at a "Wait and see" moment right now, where Wizards of the Coast seems to be listening to us, but we don't know for sure whether or not the terms will be alright.
In other words, Wizards of the Coast is not killing anyone or anything. They have explicitly said they will not destroy the OGL. Screaming angrily is not - and will almost never be - justified. Getting riled up and angry is ineffective, calmly thanking Wizards for listening to you and then gently making your proposals is the logical and kind way to proceed. Inventing ridiculous hypothetical situations about murder does not in anyway justify anger and a lack of civility, which you seem to be saying it does.
In all honesty though, I do agree with you that leaking correct and important information is not necessarily a sin. However, if you repeatedly leak things that turn out to be false, then that is when issues start to arise. When you convey highly confidential business plans that could stoke up massive anger, you have a duty to the community to make sure you do not get them upset over nothing. Unfortunately, D&D Shorts' sources have consistently failed in this regard.
Ignoring the clear passive aggressiveness that is present in this post, many of your points are speculation at best. Open Game License 1.1 had nothing about loot-boxes or Wizards of the Coast making video games and VTTs. Just because D&D Shorts' (routinely false) "insider leaks" appeal to your preconceived notions of Wizards doesn't necessarily mean that his information is accurate. The fact of the situation is that Shorts has been wrong over and over again, and trusting him at this point is approaching ridiculousness.
Just because one YouTuber believes another Youtuber doesn't mean that both of those people are correct. As I literally just outlined in the post you replied to, there are numerous ways in which the verification process Treantmonk was involved in could be flawed. The fact that D&D Shorts says the 6th leaker was left out doesn't mean this new rumor is true. Shorts has gotten a number of things wrong recently, not just his statements about Wizards of the Coast's feedback surveys, which was followed by a half-apology that shockingly didn't see any accusations of gaslighting...
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HERE.here's my 2 cents
this mess all started with a leaked draft, what is a draft, a draft is a document that has yet to be finalized and in the case of a corporation still needs to go thru a board of director a legal dept and a couple other dept before being released.
people are complaining that Hasbro and WOtC are trying to boost their profit margin with 3rd party developers. all company's are looking for a profit that's what they are in business for. And if you think otherwise your living in a fairy tale and need to come back to reality.
I'm seeing a lot of mis-information flying about that needs to stop. although i have no proof but seems some of this mis-info points indirectly to a 3rd party developer (i won't mention who)
Some of you are saying you will unsubscribe from Beyond and boycott the movie, that's your propagative whatever rocks your boat. I'm not going anywhere and while I don't have high hopes the movie will be a box office smash i will still watch it
that's my 2 cents. you may not like it and you may flame me I don't care, I'll still sleep good tonight.
I've had similar suspicions. The sheer speed with which things went from 'that's a bit concerning and worth keeping an eye on' to 'BURN IT ALL DOWN AAAAAAGH' strongly hinted at some astroturfing going on, too
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I draft as you describe is not something that goes out to parties outside the company for signature, which this died. Not a draft. It was never a draft.
Actually, what Hasbro appearsd to be doing is trying to fix the market, which is not the same as increase their margin. They did this befoire with 5e. They released a new license and tried to squeeze their biggest partner out of business. Instead, the created their biggest competition. No one is clueless as to what they are in business for. There are ethical business practices, and thejn there are unethical or malicious practices. That latter is what we have here. It also points to a business that fundamentally misunderstands their product and is trying to shift to making a new product while simultaneously attempting to make sure no one can make the old product, or the new product.
Let's complain about wild speculation and insider sources, then moments later engage in wild speculation and throwing around wier allegations that make only partial sense.
Leaks came out. Wizards said nothing. We all had a week to speculate and worry. The internet means everything happens super fast. I could have filmed my response to this and rendered the video and sent it to youtube, and it would have only taken about 2 hours. Of course it upset thrid parties. Who told the community they were upset. The community looked in to it and went, yeah that is the boobers. It isn't a plot.
Wait no I got it..... Paizomccritrolevillemattington secretly infilt5rated WOTC a yesar ago and made them hire the new president. Then they put a plan in place to coerce Wizards to try and set up a digital monopoly with a lic ense reissue that will make it harder for us to do business and ruin our profit margins. Then we will mobilize the community to fight back against Wizards so we could scramble around and try and find a new way to do business. Then they made wizards not say anything for a week while they controlled the narative so that wizards looked even worse. Then their secret insider moles wrote the worst response possible. And all it took was years of planning, deep cover agents and the lives of many Bothan spiues.
Or you know, a small community of creators started contacting each other when a billion dollar corporation threatened their livelihoods and tried to pivot to a new business model since in every damn piece of communication wizards puts out they maint6ain they are going to end the old license no matter what.
One of those seems rational, the other less so.