From what we've seen, are there any spells with rolling that you'll actually need to homebrew so you can maintain the convenience of rolling from the spell tap, instead of clicking your spell attack mod/save DC and manually selecting your dice? Healing spells got buffed so they're actually combat viable, so I can't imagine there's more than an extremely small portion of the player base who will want to go out of their way for a weaker effect, Spiritual Weapon got a nerf that it really needed years ago that doesn't even affect how it's used on the sheet, and Counterspell was just an INT roll before on the rare cases where someone didn't spend a slot of equal level.
Can anyone here actually list an example where a spell we know is being updated is being affected in a way that you can't resolve simply by bookmarking the original version and clicking your spell save/attack mod on the character sheet and selecting the dice you need to roll?
Would you do that if you were the one being inconvenienced? If your precious character sheet didn't fully represent everything? You are expecting of others things that would probably have you in fits. That is pure hypocrisy.
From what we've seen, are there any spells with rolling that you'll actually need to homebrew so you can maintain the convenience of rolling from the spell tap, instead of clicking your spell attack mod/save DC and manually selecting your dice? Healing spells got buffed so they're actually combat viable, so I can't imagine there's more than an extremely small portion of the player base who will want to go out of their way for a weaker effect, Spiritual Weapon got a nerf that it really needed years ago that doesn't even affect how it's used on the sheet, and Counterspell was just an INT roll before on the rare cases where someone didn't spend a slot of equal level.
Can anyone here actually list an example where a spell we know is being updated is being affected in a way that you can't resolve simply by bookmarking the original version and clicking your spell save/attack mod on the character sheet and selecting the dice you need to roll?
Would you do that if you were the one being inconvenienced? If your precious character sheet didn't fully represent everything? You are expecting of others things that would probably have you in fits. That is pure hypocrisy.
Umm, I used D&DB for my character sheets too, so I'm inconvenienced by this just as much as you are. The difference being I accept that life is not going to cater itself to my exact preferences and cope rather than act like an inconvenience represents a personal attack or betrayal.
From what we've seen, are there any spells with rolling that you'll actually need to homebrew so you can maintain the convenience of rolling from the spell tap, instead of clicking your spell attack mod/save DC and manually selecting your dice? Healing spells got buffed so they're actually combat viable, so I can't imagine there's more than an extremely small portion of the player base who will want to go out of their way for a weaker effect, Spiritual Weapon got a nerf that it really needed years ago that doesn't even affect how it's used on the sheet, and Counterspell was just an INT roll before on the rare cases where someone didn't spend a slot of equal level.
Can anyone here actually list an example where a spell we know is being updated is being affected in a way that you can't resolve simply by bookmarking the original version and clicking your spell save/attack mod on the character sheet and selecting the dice you need to roll?
Would you do that if you were the one being inconvenienced? If your precious character sheet didn't fully represent everything? You are expecting of others things that would probably have you in fits. That is pure hypocrisy.
Umm, I used D&DB for my character sheets too, so I'm inconvenienced by this just as much as you are. The difference being I accept that life is not going to cater itself to my exact preferences and cope rather than act like an inconvenience represents a personal attack or betrayal.
So it is a matter of the level of inconvenience each player should tolerate and they all should be the same or higher than those telling everyone this is fine while the place burns?
I see this as I always have, incremental creep to get the game in a position that if you don't buy new books the game will not work well or at all on this platform. Some will be ok with that, others will leave entirely, and some will stay and complain about the process. I for one wouldn't have spent a bent copper here if I had any inkling this is where we'd be, and while I will not spend anymore money, I will not abandon the money I have spent here either. I saw where this was going when wizbro started telling everyone the new rules were not a new edition. The way this is being handled is bad for the game, that doesn't mean it isn't gonna happen and just because it is happening doesn't mean it is good either. Sticking everyone in either a) the sky is falling, or b) playing Nero's fiddle only makes things worse, but that is the way of the internet, and segregating people into neat little boxes seems to be the solution to preventing meaningful discourse.
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I've realised that I've been a little complacent about this.
My family campaign is fine, we're all using DDB anyway so it's pretty much all good and I've mostly been thinking in terms of empathy. The one that I run at the game store? Oh, boy. They have 2014 PHBs, either all of them, or most (there are two of them that might have decided to get the new ones too). They're all pretty new to the game and not long bought the PHBs, so they're not going to want to update their books. Seeing as the point of D&D is to have a common ruleset that everyone can agree on what something does and how it works, or at least has a common wording so we can reason with one another, we need to be looking at the same spells etc. Precise wording matters. Seeing as at this point it's things like spells that disputed, that's an issue. I have a choice:
I can insist that they go out and spend more money on a new PHB so they have the same spells that I do on DDB, and hope they don't get confused as to what spells they can and can't use from where.
I can cart my physical 2014e books down there, which the entire point of me getting DDB was so that I could avoid taking a bunch of books down to the game store. It's already a pain with the stuff I do have to take, and that's wasted my money.
I can spend a bunch more money and/or time fixing this with other workarounds, just because DDB can't be bothered to put in toggle buttons so we can all be on the same page and we can keep content that was paid for.
Yay. Thanks a bunch. What I really wanted was to spend more time and money getting the game going rather than just actually playing D&D. Awesome.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
I've realised that I've been a little complacent about this.
My family campaign is fine, we're all using DDB anyway so it's pretty much all good and I've mostly been thinking in terms of empathy. The one that I run at the game store? Oh, boy. They have 2014 PHBs, either all of them, or most (there are two of them that might have decided to get the new ones too). They're all pretty new to the game and not long bought the PHBs, so they're not going to want to update their books. Seeing as the point of D&D is to have a common ruleset that everyone can agree on what something does and how it works, or at least has a common wording so we can reason with one another, we need to be looking at the same spells etc. Precise wording matters. Seeing as at this point it's things like spells that disputed, that's an issue. I have a choice:
I can insist that they go out and spend more money on a new PHB so they have the same spells that I do on DDB, and hope they don't get confused as to what spells they can and can't use from where.
I can cart my physical 2014e books down there, which the entire point of me getting DDB was so that I could avoid taking a bunch of books down to the game store. It's already a pain with the stuff I do have to take,
I can spend a bunch more money and/or time fixing this with other workarounds, just because DDB can't be bothered to put in toggle buttons so we can all be on the same page and we can keep content that was paid for.
Yay. Thanks a bunch. What I really wanted was to spend more time and money getting the game going rather than just actually playing D&D. Awesome.
There's this secret internet browser feature called "bookmarking" or "favorites"; if everyone is playing on a device they can bookmark their spells, drop them in a folder, and look them up when needed. You cannot seriously tell me the 30 seconds it takes to open a bookmark on a device is appreciably longer than it takes to scroll to find a spell and look up its effect on a character sheet. ISTG, content gets put at one remove and people act like it got purged from the site.
Yeah, that works if you have the internet. Which we don't at the game store - signal is crap and WiFi is locked behind a monthly membership. So no, bookmarks won't work. So drop the condescending attitude.
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If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
Yeah, that works if you have the internet. Which we don't at the game store - signal is crap and WiFi is locked behind a monthly membership. So no, bookmarks won't work. So drop the condescending attitude.
Your online toolset loses functionality in an environment with no internet and it's the online toolset's fault?
Fortuitously, this is not a new edition, and they've already expressly said that the entries will remain available via the appropriate 2014 books and site compendiums.
Fortuitously, this is not a new edition, and they've already expressly said that the entries will remain available via the appropriate 2014 books and site compendiums.
People did not buy books on D&D Beyond just to have a prettier compendium to look up rules, when a simple Google search suffices. What they PAID FOR was the ability to make characters with the 2014 spells and magic items. That is being REMOVED. Now they have to do what they would have to do if they had NOT bought the book, which is individually homebrew their own items. WOTC not only "removed," but STOLE BACK what people paid for.
D&D 5.24 is fully compatible with 5.14. All you have to do is Xerox all your 5.14 stuff and file and organize it yourself. See? Totally compatible!
It's fully compatible.
D&D Beyond isn't.
* For certain select definitions of "compatible."
Regardless, I consider that a difference without distinction. DnDBeyond is owned by WotC and is arguably their main way of delivering D&D content. They're one and the same from a product perspective.
ETA: I will be renewing my master tier sub, I don't doubt there will be some issues with the roll out, but knowing the new goal I will roll with any glitches that may arise! Thanks wizbro for listening, I am back to being a happy customer!
I don't doubt there will be some issues with the roll out, but knowing the new goal I will roll with any glitches that may arise! Thanks wizbro for listening, I am back to being a happy customer!
They're doing a crash implementation supposedly shipping in a week. Even on a system better-designed than DDB, that's a recipe for bugs. Even if they had it mostly finished already, I'd expect both problems and missing their release date.
Regardless, I consider that a difference without distinction. DnDBeyond is owned by WotC and is arguably their main way of delivering D&D content. They're one and the same from a product perspective.
Books are their main way of delivering D&D. Without looking at any of their quarterly reports or press releases, I estimate it's the main way by at least an order of magnitude, more likely two.
Not the case anymore. Physical media requires resources to manufacture and distribute. Digital content only costs the initial money for development and a fairly small amount to maintain servers. They cut the manufacturing and distribution costs by going all digital, making it possible to keep almost the entire price of each digital product as profit. That is WotC's long-term goal.
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Would you do that if you were the one being inconvenienced? If your precious character sheet didn't fully represent everything? You are expecting of others things that would probably have you in fits. That is pure hypocrisy.
Umm, I used D&DB for my character sheets too, so I'm inconvenienced by this just as much as you are. The difference being I accept that life is not going to cater itself to my exact preferences and cope rather than act like an inconvenience represents a personal attack or betrayal.
So it is a matter of the level of inconvenience each player should tolerate and they all should be the same or higher than those telling everyone this is fine while the place burns?
I see this as I always have, incremental creep to get the game in a position that if you don't buy new books the game will not work well or at all on this platform. Some will be ok with that, others will leave entirely, and some will stay and complain about the process. I for one wouldn't have spent a bent copper here if I had any inkling this is where we'd be, and while I will not spend anymore money, I will not abandon the money I have spent here either. I saw where this was going when wizbro started telling everyone the new rules were not a new edition. The way this is being handled is bad for the game, that doesn't mean it isn't gonna happen and just because it is happening doesn't mean it is good either. Sticking everyone in either a) the sky is falling, or b) playing Nero's fiddle only makes things worse, but that is the way of the internet, and segregating people into neat little boxes seems to be the solution to preventing meaningful discourse.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I've realised that I've been a little complacent about this.
My family campaign is fine, we're all using DDB anyway so it's pretty much all good and I've mostly been thinking in terms of empathy. The one that I run at the game store? Oh, boy. They have 2014 PHBs, either all of them, or most (there are two of them that might have decided to get the new ones too). They're all pretty new to the game and not long bought the PHBs, so they're not going to want to update their books. Seeing as the point of D&D is to have a common ruleset that everyone can agree on what something does and how it works, or at least has a common wording so we can reason with one another, we need to be looking at the same spells etc. Precise wording matters. Seeing as at this point it's things like spells that disputed, that's an issue. I have a choice:
Yay. Thanks a bunch. What I really wanted was to spend more time and money getting the game going rather than just actually playing D&D. Awesome.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
There's this secret internet browser feature called "bookmarking" or "favorites"; if everyone is playing on a device they can bookmark their spells, drop them in a folder, and look them up when needed. You cannot seriously tell me the 30 seconds it takes to open a bookmark on a device is appreciably longer than it takes to scroll to find a spell and look up its effect on a character sheet. ISTG, content gets put at one remove and people act like it got purged from the site.
Yeah, that works if you have the internet. Which we don't at the game store - signal is crap and WiFi is locked behind a monthly membership. So no, bookmarks won't work. So drop the condescending attitude.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
You can bookmark stuff in the app too, so yes, bookmarks will still work. Took me all of 1 minute to check.
WotC's track record with support for previous editions is that they don't. See 4e's character builder.
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Your online toolset loses functionality in an environment with no internet and it's the online toolset's fault?
Fortuitously, this is not a new edition, and they've already expressly said that the entries will remain available via the appropriate 2014 books and site compendiums.
People did not buy books on D&D Beyond just to have a prettier compendium to look up rules, when a simple Google search suffices. What they PAID FOR was the ability to make characters with the 2014 spells and magic items. That is being REMOVED. Now they have to do what they would have to do if they had NOT bought the book, which is individually homebrew their own items. WOTC not only "removed," but STOLE BACK what people paid for.
D&D 5.24 is fully compatible with 5.14. All you have to do is Xerox all your 5.14 stuff and file and organize it yourself. See? Totally compatible!
It's fully compatible.
D&D Beyond isn't.
The one they kept online well into 5e's lifespan, only shutting it down when Microsoft discontinued the tech it was built on?
* For certain select definitions of "compatible."
Regardless, I consider that a difference without distinction. DnDBeyond is owned by WotC and is arguably their main way of delivering D&D content. They're one and the same from a product perspective.
New update, they are going to fix the issue.
ETA: I will be renewing my master tier sub, I don't doubt there will be some issues with the roll out, but knowing the new goal I will roll with any glitches that may arise! Thanks wizbro for listening, I am back to being a happy customer!
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
They're doing a crash implementation supposedly shipping in a week. Even on a system better-designed than DDB, that's a recipe for bugs. Even if they had it mostly finished already, I'd expect both problems and missing their release date.
Books are their main way of delivering D&D. Without looking at any of their quarterly reports or press releases, I estimate it's the main way by at least an order of magnitude, more likely two.
Not the case anymore. Physical media requires resources to manufacture and distribute. Digital content only costs the initial money for development and a fairly small amount to maintain servers. They cut the manufacturing and distribution costs by going all digital, making it possible to keep almost the entire price of each digital product as profit. That is WotC's long-term goal.