New, just started a Master Tier Trial. But I may now end up cancelling because I think its a shame to make D&D customers re-buy digital access to books they already own. Just got turned onto D&D 6 months ago. I bought XGTE & TCOE via Amazon along with all the class spellbook decks. I prefer physical media but I thought DDB would be a good resource to plan characters. I was under impression that a membership unlocks everything. disappointed, yet not surprised that it doesn't.
Why doesn't DDB have a tier that unlocks everything on the site?
Why isn't there at least a discount for subbing?
I'm sure these have been asked many times but in times where you rent your media to your digital device, this really should be no different or at least an option.
I can't say why, but it's a lot more consumer-friendly in practice.
If it were "subscribe to access books", there wouldn't be sharing. Assume a normal group of one DM and four players. Assume the subscription price is $5 a month, which is about what a master subscription costs.
Your group as a whole is now paying $25 a month, which is $20 more than they need to pay now. That's 2/3 of the cost to buy a digital book each month. Over a year, you're paying $240, the equivalent of eight digital books, and at the end of it, you have nothing if you don't keep paying.
You're trading a larger up-front cost for a lot less money down the line.
If you have the physical book you only need to replicate the character options, which is easily done with the homebrew tools. So, no, you don't need to re-buy anything at all. Plus all the actual core rules are on here for free already.
The all-access thing was something they did for 4th edition : a monthly fee got you access to everything. It cost them a lot because too many were just buying one month, make a copy of everything, then cancel the sub. They had to stop it and will probably never do it again.
You need to note that $6 gets you content sharing. So if person A bought $1,000 of content make maximum number of sharing campaigns, currently 5, and had maximum number of players per campaign, currently 11, that means 55 people are all getting $1000 worth of content for free. So that single $6 is $55,000 worth of access. They would need that Player A to maintain that subscription for more than 763 years to break even.
So I think every 1 master tier of a very measly $6 a month allowing 55 people to get content for free is fine. More free content or discounts on top is just a bit much.
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Before they removed piece meal purchases from books it made a lot more sense than it does now, it is also important to know you are not buying the books twice but paying for the convenience of not having to manually enter stuff from your physical books into the homebrew tool. The digital books are also hyperlinked with popup descriptions making finding things easier even across different books, but other than the free stuff you will have to buy the books to benifit from these features that are not possible in the physical books. You can still do the homebrew if you want to use the tools here and save the cost of buying the digital books here, but you will need a master sub to share your content whether you home brew it or buy it.
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Because DDB thinks it'll get more profit by not offering an all-access subscription than if they did.
That's about it, really.
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There's owning content and having access to the tools on D&D Beyond without a subscription. Both the Hero tier and Master tier allow you to use your content and the tools and features of DDB in a more robust fashion (chiefly or at least most notably content sharing). I mean, the features are listed right there in the description of the tiers, and that description refutes your impression of what the Master Tier was.
A lot of people take DDB to task for this model, and point to various imperfect analogies like books and audio-visual media, but really DDB's practice is very much the tabletop role playing games industry standard. Yes, some publishers, many of the smaller publishers grant free PDFs of physical books (however, one should note D&D's closest thing to a direct competitor, Pathfinder, specifically does not unless you subscribe to a product line); but DDB editions are not PDFs. VTT's don't grant credit for owning physicals, neither does Demiplane which is the closest proximate to DDB's tools for other games, that platform having been designed by the original architects of DDB.
D&D Beyond is not essential to using any physical WotC product. It "enhances" them or for some consumers replaces them. That's the "Beyond" part of D&D Beyond. The powers that be have determined there is a significant enough portion of D&D players willing to pay for it either instead of or in addition to the physical books. This question has been asked routinely since DDB's debut and aside from the bundle plans available through the marketplace, there's been no budging on it.
I used to "twice purchase" hardcopy and digital D&D stuff, but haven't in years since I taught myself the homebrewing tools.
I am sure an "all access" sub has been discussed and is probably regularly brought up within DDB product management. I think they've determined running a digital marketplace analogous to the physical product line works best for them as I'm sure "all access" isn't an alien concept to the project management team but the service has never budged toward that direction. The closest you had was the legendary bundle where for a one time purchase you got "everything" out at that point and a discount toward future releases, and it seems even that may have disappeared.
Before they removed piece meal purchases from books it made a lot more sense
Oh wow, just necro'd a year old thread because i spent the last 3 hrs figuring out how to buy 1 subclass. When did they retcon a la carte features? That sux!
There's owning content and having access to the tools on D&D Beyond without a subscription. Both the Hero tier and Master tier allow you to use your content and the tools and features of DDB in a more robust fashion (chiefly or at least most notably content sharing). I mean, the features are listed right there in the description of the tiers, and that description refutes your impression of what the Master Tier was.
A lot of people take DDB to task for this model, and point to various imperfect analogies like books and audio-visual media, but really DDB's practice is very much the tabletop role playing games industry standard. Yes, some publishers, many of the smaller publishers grant free PDFs of physical books (however, one should note D&D's closest thing to a direct competitor, Pathfinder, specifically does not unless you subscribe to a product line); but DDB editions are not PDFs. VTT's don't grant credit for owning physicals, neither does Demiplane which is the closest proximate to DDB's tools for other games, that platform having been designed by the original architects of DDB.
D&D Beyond is not essential to using any physical WotC product. It "enhances" them or for some consumers replaces them. That's the "Beyond" part of D&D Beyond. The powers that be have determined there is a significant enough portion of D&D players willing to pay for it either instead of or in addition to the physical books. This question has been asked routinely since DDB's debut and aside from the bundle plans available through the marketplace, there's been no budging on it.
I used to "twice purchase" hardcopy and digital D&D stuff, but haven't in years since I taught myself the homebrewing tools.
I am sure an "all access" sub has been discussed and is probably regularly brought up within DDB product management. I think they've determined running a digital marketplace analogous to the physical product line works best for them as I'm sure "all access" isn't an alien concept to the project management team but the service has never budged toward that direction. The closes you had was the legendary bundle where for a one time purchase you got "everything" out at that point and a discount toward future releases, and it seems even that may have disappeared.
I really wish they would market the differences between physical and digital content along with the best use cases for each better. Especially since wotc acquired DDB.
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CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Before they removed piece meal purchases from books it made a lot more sense
Oh wow, just necro'd a year old thread because i spent the last 3 hrs figuring out how to buy 1 subclass. When did they retcon a la carte features? That sux!
Everyone including wotc would benefit from better communication about what is going on @DDB.
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CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
honestly spending any money on dnd beyond is a bad move these days. Unless they pull their heads out of their asses and quit with the predatory anti consumer practices. You're better off buying physical content or just not supporting WoTC at all.
New, just started a Master Tier Trial. But I may now end up cancelling because I think its a shame to make D&D customers re-buy digital access to books they already own. Just got turned onto D&D 6 months ago. I bought XGTE & TCOE via Amazon along with all the class spellbook decks. I prefer physical media but I thought DDB would be a good resource to plan characters. I was under impression that a membership unlocks everything. disappointed, yet not surprised that it doesn't.
Why doesn't DDB have a tier that unlocks everything on the site?
Why isn't there at least a discount for subbing?
I'm sure these have been asked many times but in times where you rent your media to your digital device, this really should be no different or at least an option.
I can't say why, but it's a lot more consumer-friendly in practice.
If it were "subscribe to access books", there wouldn't be sharing. Assume a normal group of one DM and four players. Assume the subscription price is $5 a month, which is about what a master subscription costs.
Your group as a whole is now paying $25 a month, which is $20 more than they need to pay now. That's 2/3 of the cost to buy a digital book each month. Over a year, you're paying $240, the equivalent of eight digital books, and at the end of it, you have nothing if you don't keep paying.
You're trading a larger up-front cost for a lot less money down the line.
If you have the physical book you only need to replicate the character options, which is easily done with the homebrew tools. So, no, you don't need to re-buy anything at all. Plus all the actual core rules are on here for free already.
The all-access thing was something they did for 4th edition : a monthly fee got you access to everything. It cost them a lot because too many were just buying one month, make a copy of everything, then cancel the sub. They had to stop it and will probably never do it again.
You need to note that $6 gets you content sharing. So if person A bought $1,000 of content make maximum number of sharing campaigns, currently 5, and had maximum number of players per campaign, currently 11, that means 55 people are all getting $1000 worth of content for free. So that single $6 is $55,000 worth of access. They would need that Player A to maintain that subscription for more than 763 years to break even.
So I think every 1 master tier of a very measly $6 a month allowing 55 people to get content for free is fine. More free content or discounts on top is just a bit much.
Click ✨ HERE ✨ For My Youtube Videos featuring Guides, Tips & Tricks for using D&D Beyond.
Need help with Homebrew? Check out ✨ this FAQ/Guide thread ✨ by IamSposta.
Before they removed piece meal purchases from books it made a lot more sense than it does now, it is also important to know you are not buying the books twice but paying for the convenience of not having to manually enter stuff from your physical books into the homebrew tool. The digital books are also hyperlinked with popup descriptions making finding things easier even across different books, but other than the free stuff you will have to buy the books to benifit from these features that are not possible in the physical books. You can still do the homebrew if you want to use the tools here and save the cost of buying the digital books here, but you will need a master sub to share your content whether you home brew it or buy it.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Because DDB thinks it'll get more profit by not offering an all-access subscription than if they did.
That's about it, really.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
There's owning content and having access to the tools on D&D Beyond without a subscription. Both the Hero tier and Master tier allow you to use your content and the tools and features of DDB in a more robust fashion (chiefly or at least most notably content sharing). I mean, the features are listed right there in the description of the tiers, and that description refutes your impression of what the Master Tier was.
A lot of people take DDB to task for this model, and point to various imperfect analogies like books and audio-visual media, but really DDB's practice is very much the tabletop role playing games industry standard. Yes, some publishers, many of the smaller publishers grant free PDFs of physical books (however, one should note D&D's closest thing to a direct competitor, Pathfinder, specifically does not unless you subscribe to a product line); but DDB editions are not PDFs. VTT's don't grant credit for owning physicals, neither does Demiplane which is the closest proximate to DDB's tools for other games, that platform having been designed by the original architects of DDB.
D&D Beyond is not essential to using any physical WotC product. It "enhances" them or for some consumers replaces them. That's the "Beyond" part of D&D Beyond. The powers that be have determined there is a significant enough portion of D&D players willing to pay for it either instead of or in addition to the physical books. This question has been asked routinely since DDB's debut and aside from the bundle plans available through the marketplace, there's been no budging on it.
I used to "twice purchase" hardcopy and digital D&D stuff, but haven't in years since I taught myself the homebrewing tools.
I am sure an "all access" sub has been discussed and is probably regularly brought up within DDB product management. I think they've determined running a digital marketplace analogous to the physical product line works best for them as I'm sure "all access" isn't an alien concept to the project management team but the service has never budged toward that direction. The closest you had was the legendary bundle where for a one time purchase you got "everything" out at that point and a discount toward future releases, and it seems even that may have disappeared.
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Oh wow, just necro'd a year old thread because i spent the last 3 hrs figuring out how to buy 1 subclass. When did they retcon a la carte features? That sux!
I really wish they would market the differences between physical and digital content along with the best use cases for each better. Especially since wotc acquired DDB.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Everyone including wotc would benefit from better communication about what is going on @DDB.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
honestly spending any money on dnd beyond is a bad move these days. Unless they pull their heads out of their asses and quit with the predatory anti consumer practices. You're better off buying physical content or just not supporting WoTC at all.
They did an all-access subscription for 4th edition, presumably they decided it didn't work well.