Right, so you'd have to look up what the spells do during play anyway. Unless you're saying you've memorized all 200+ of the 2014 iterations and now need to unlearn that - which, again, is on you. How would this be different than if they'd errataed all those spells? We've known a revision was coming for quite some time, it wasn't exactly a secret.
I already don't use DDB; I am only interested in this discussion on behalf of my players who are using DDB as a reference tool & hosting site for their character sheets.
I would not pay a cent more for my subscription. I WILL 100% cancel the day they raise the price.
I am already becoming less enticed to use D&D Beyond because it lacks the ability and freedom of pen & paper RPGs where you can do and change anything you see fit. My main example is the lack of ability to include a home brew class. D&D Beyond only works if you play the game EXACTLY the way the books intend on it. That takes something away from D&D I love, freedom.
Also, I don’t like having to use digital devices while I play. It has been a nice supplement to easy the process of finding information, but I am getting fatigued in relying on it.
Right, so you'd have to look up what the spells do during play anyway. Unless you're saying you've memorized all 200+ of the 2014 iterations and now need to unlearn that - which, again, is on you. How would this be different than if they'd errataed all those spells? We've known a revision was coming for quite some time, it wasn't exactly a secret.
You're close to the mark here. I have not memorized all of the spells, nor have my players. Some of them use a digital tool called D&D Beyond which helps them to track their character sheets.
Because the developers of D&D Beyond are removing the 2014 spells from the tool, I have told my players that they're not to use it going forward because it will no longer provide accurate information; the function of those spells in DDB will be misleading.
Do you understand the problem now?
Also no it's not errata, don't be silly. Please look up what that word means.
My real experience with the tool is in the text you quoted. Come on dude. I can appreciate a good internet argument, but the emphasis there is on good.
I'll be honest; I don't think it's worth responding to you any further because I don't think you even understand the problem.
Just curious, after reading the latest changelog drop, how many would be interested in paying extra for access to what we have now?
I would expect it to:
1) Require a master tier subscription
2) Not be updated with new books
3) No further development on the tools just a hop of the train and stay live
I also understand the likelihood of this ever being an option is functionally 0.
Also a the thread on this topic in the News & Announcements forum can be found HEREif you want to leave your comments on the upcoming changes to the tools.
This thread is for discussion about paying to keep what we have with no further updates to it and expectations on how that might look/work.
No. I would not pay them a single red cent more for this.
They are a multi-million dollar company with a constant revenue stream through subscriptions and macro/micro transactions. They have the resources to have made the 2014/2024 split as a baseline feature as they launch their new pseudo-edition.
I would not, nor will I ever, reward them intentionally breaking something and then charging me more money to fix it.
I will not eat around the d*** in the salad anymore.
Just curious, after reading the latest changelog drop, how many would be interested in paying extra for access to what we have now?
I would expect it to:
1) Require a master tier subscription
2) Not be updated with new books
3) No further development on the tools just a hop of the train and stay live
I also understand the likelihood of this ever being an option is functionally 0.
Also a the thread on this topic in the News & Announcements forum can be found HEREif you want to leave your comments on the upcoming changes to the tools.
This thread is for discussion about paying to keep what we have with no further updates to it and expectations on how that might look/work.
No. I would not pay them a single red cent more for this.
They are a multi-million dollar company with a constant revenue stream through subscriptions and macro/micro transactions. They have the resources to have made the 2014/2024 split as a baseline feature as they launch their new pseudo-edition.
I would not, nor will I ever, reward them intentionally breaking something and then charging me more money to fix it.
I will not eat around the d*** in the salad anymore.
Billion dollar company, pissing off the masses just to further drive off those who are the under-monetized segment of a community that would have been eventually been part of the influx of capital, just to satisfy those the company knows will hand over a king's ransom for evermore useless utility.
And from what one can see from the polling on this thread, and see which posters are the ones openly rallying against the masses, that this company care more about, speaks volumes.
People are right to be pissed, because of no warning of these changes that could have been made months ago, this wouldn’t have been a major issue.
But like the OGL scandal, Wizbro thinking of money first, good-will last, and going behind the general community's back to try and ensure their investors and their pockets are full of cash.
Personally I hope this place crashes and burns, the corporate heads find themselves on a chopping block, and the community are the ones to drop the axe that severs their empty brainless skulls and begins to use them for soccer matches.
Well, regarding how a la carte purchases will access the content, the easy answer is the Spells and Magic item section of the site. Frankly, it's a little shocking that you are apparently unaware of the existence of these features and yet consider yourself an authority on what the state of the game on this site will be after the update.
Provided you ignored this allow me to remind you of it: When in a thread about this issue some posts are clocking 120+ likes and it's only here in the General Discussion forums where the usual suspects who defend the company's every decision are pouring so much of their time into defending it anyone can plainly see how out of touch you are. This is the OGL debacle all over again with scores of people here and beyond unsatisfied but a handful of usual suspects acting as if it is nothing. You can do that until the problem is addressed if it pleases you. Those two News and Announcement threads are full of people saying they are done with Beyond. I guess you're saving your tears for the day Beyond is done.
The net result of the OGL debacle was that mass hysteria ruined what would have been a great deal for both parties, and no shortage of people vocally announcing how they were jumping ship. Despite that, D&DB is still quite active over a year later. I've acknowledged that there is a degree of inconvenience in the update, but by my lights it is objectively not an appreciable degree of inconvenience and so I'm content to work with it rather than grab my toys in a huff and go home. You've got a couple hundred people coming in and making noise as an impulse reaction to what, based on my experience with the OGL, is hearing some distorted account of the change. If you check the bottom of the initial forums page, you'll see there's over 18 million accounts. Your 120 likes are an infinitesimal fraction of a percentage point of the population, not anything close to a representative sample.
of the 18 million number that is posted, what is the actual number of users that have not flat-out walked away from this place, and DDB just hasn't gotten off it's but to update it so as keep the numbers artificially inflated.
I've users with just Id numbers for a name, and that is clear indication of someone is no longer a user.
So, do believe the statement you made is factually incorrect.
I will be renewing my master tier sub pending the roll out of the new books, I may even buy them now that we have a choice on what to use! Thanks wizbro!
ETA: I don't doubt there will be some issues with the roll out, but knowing the new goal I will roll with any glitches that may arise! thanks wizbro for listening, I am back to being a happy customer!
No need to worry about how to keep the 2014 rules set and spells/ items per the latest update!
Amazing how this was there all along, and only after they got backlash did they trot this out.
This reveals that there was no reason outside of anti-consumer greed to try and force us partially into the new edition so the leap of just buying the books wouldn't be that far.
No need to worry about how to keep the 2014 rules set and spells/ items per the latest update!
Amazing how this was there all along, and only after they got backlash did they trot this out.
This reveals that there was no reason outside of anti-consumer greed to try and force us partially into the new edition so the leap of just buying the books wouldn't be that far.
I'll be honest, and this is a complete shot in the dark: I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they fired the database guy and genuinely didn't know it'd be easier to just keep the 2014 rules on the record.
No need to worry about how to keep the 2014 rules set and spells/ items per the latest update!
Amazing how this was there all along, and only after they got backlash did they trot this out.
This reveals that there was no reason outside of anti-consumer greed to try and force us partially into the new edition so the leap of just buying the books wouldn't be that far.
I'll be honest, and this is a complete shot in the dark: I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they fired the database guy and genuinely didn't know it'd be easier to just keep the 2014 rules on the record.
In all likelihood, they probably fired the staff members during the big layoffs who understood how the D&D community works, who would've told them how we would react to the proposed launch. Numbnuts...It's the decision-makers own short-sightedness that led to this backlash, and that will probably cost them more financially in the long run since the didn't just drive folks away from DDB, but also from D&D itself. Wake up, WizBro! We aren't a video game, and thus don't function like one. Maybe if the decision-makers actually played the game they'd have a better idea how things roll here.
Picture this you go to restaurant, order a meal that comes with a salad, the server says even though you paid for it the chef decided that you couldn't have it anymore, and then they expect you to pay extra to have it added when you already paid for it?
This question is insane, we already paid for this content as is and have supported this game as is and deserve to continue using it as is.
Agreed, but it should be noted, this is a course correction by WOTC, so thank you for the uproar. Without it, we would be in a different scenario. The original post included
If you wish to use the old version of a magic item or spell that has been replaced by its 2024 counterpart, you will need to create a homebrew copy of it and enable homebrew content on your character sheet. Then, you can add it to your character sheet.
The latest "update" now includes the following.
Players who only have access to the 2014 Player’s Handbook will maintain their character options, spells, and magical items in their character sheets. Players with access to the 2024 and 2014 digital Player’s Handbooks can select from both sources when creating new characters. Players will not need to rely on Homebrew to use their 2014 player options, including spells and magic items, as recommended in previous changelogs.
Bravo for the response and the backtrack.
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Rebalancing two books worth of encounters before the new spells are even out is entirely on you, and you have no idea what my DMing experience is.
Right, so you'd have to look up what the spells do during play anyway. Unless you're saying you've memorized all 200+ of the 2014 iterations and now need to unlearn that - which, again, is on you. How would this be different than if they'd errataed all those spells? We've known a revision was coming for quite some time, it wasn't exactly a secret.
So... armchair tool use?
The premise in the OP is ridiculous. Why would I pay MORE to use what I am already using and paid ,and previous subscribed, for?
To put polite. NO.
No Gaming is Better than Bad Gaming.
HELL NO.
I would not pay a cent more for my subscription. I WILL 100% cancel the day they raise the price.
I am already becoming less enticed to use D&D Beyond because it lacks the ability and freedom of pen & paper RPGs where you can do and change anything you see fit. My main example is the lack of ability to include a home brew class. D&D Beyond only works if you play the game EXACTLY the way the books intend on it. That takes something away from D&D I love, freedom.
Also, I don’t like having to use digital devices while I play. It has been a nice supplement to easy the process of finding information, but I am getting fatigued in relying on it.
"What you saw belongs to you. A story doesn't live until it is imagined in someone's mind."
― Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
Not what I said lol.
I dunno dude, I'm honestly getting to the point where I think you haven't even played the game.
You're close to the mark here. I have not memorized all of the spells, nor have my players. Some of them use a digital tool called D&D Beyond which helps them to track their character sheets.
Because the developers of D&D Beyond are removing the 2014 spells from the tool, I have told my players that they're not to use it going forward because it will no longer provide accurate information; the function of those spells in DDB will be misleading.
Do you understand the problem now?
Also no it's not errata, don't be silly. Please look up what that word means.
My real experience with the tool is in the text you quoted. Come on dude. I can appreciate a good internet argument, but the emphasis there is on good.
I'll be honest; I don't think it's worth responding to you any further because I don't think you even understand the problem.
No. I would not pay them a single red cent more for this.
They are a multi-million dollar company with a constant revenue stream through subscriptions and macro/micro transactions. They have the resources to have made the 2014/2024 split as a baseline feature as they launch their new pseudo-edition.
I would not, nor will I ever, reward them intentionally breaking something and then charging me more money to fix it.
I will not eat around the d*** in the salad anymore.
Billion dollar company, pissing off the masses just to further drive off those who are the under-monetized segment of a community that would have been eventually been part of the influx of capital, just to satisfy those the company knows will hand over a king's ransom for evermore useless utility.
And from what one can see from the polling on this thread, and see which posters are the ones openly rallying against the masses, that this company care more about, speaks volumes.
People are right to be pissed, because of no warning of these changes that could have been made months ago, this wouldn’t have been a major issue.
But like the OGL scandal, Wizbro thinking of money first, good-will last, and going behind the general community's back to try and ensure their investors and their pockets are full of cash.
Personally I hope this place crashes and burns, the corporate heads find themselves on a chopping block, and the community are the ones to drop the axe that severs their empty brainless skulls and begins to use them for soccer matches.
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of the 18 million number that is posted, what is the actual number of users that have not flat-out walked away from this place, and DDB just hasn't gotten off it's but to update it so as keep the numbers artificially inflated.
I've users with just Id numbers for a name, and that is clear indication of someone is no longer a user.
So, do believe the statement you made is factually incorrect.
[Redacted]
No need to worry about how to keep the 2014 rules set and spells/ items per the latest update!
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I will be renewing my master tier sub pending the roll out of the new books, I may even buy them now that we have a choice on what to use! Thanks wizbro!
ETA: I don't doubt there will be some issues with the roll out, but knowing the new goal I will roll with any glitches that may arise! thanks wizbro for listening, I am back to being a happy customer!
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Amazing how this was there all along, and only after they got backlash did they trot this out.
This reveals that there was no reason outside of anti-consumer greed to try and force us partially into the new edition so the leap of just buying the books wouldn't be that far.
I'll be honest, and this is a complete shot in the dark: I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they fired the database guy and genuinely didn't know it'd be easier to just keep the 2014 rules on the record.
In all likelihood, they probably fired the staff members during the big layoffs who understood how the D&D community works, who would've told them how we would react to the proposed launch. Numbnuts...It's the decision-makers own short-sightedness that led to this backlash, and that will probably cost them more financially in the long run since the didn't just drive folks away from DDB, but also from D&D itself. Wake up, WizBro! We aren't a video game, and thus don't function like one. Maybe if the decision-makers actually played the game they'd have a better idea how things roll here.
No way, not a chance.
Picture this you go to restaurant, order a meal that comes with a salad, the server says even though you paid for it the chef decided that you couldn't have it anymore, and then they expect you to pay extra to have it added when you already paid for it?
This question is insane, we already paid for this content as is and have supported this game as is and deserve to continue using it as is.
Agreed, but it should be noted, this is a course correction by WOTC, so thank you for the uproar. Without it, we would be in a different scenario. The original post included
The latest "update" now includes the following.
Bravo for the response and the backtrack.