Will they be available in the character builder? Yes or no?
Yes, Conjure Animals will be in the character builder.
I can go into the character builder and select the 2014 Conjure Animals spell that I have purchased, with the instruction text stating that it summons 1/2/3/4 beasts of varying CRs? Or will the 2014 version of the spell be removed?
Well, you definitely can't see the effect you're describing, since that's not how the number progression works. But to address the point you're so archly driving at, as has been said several times, the PHB 2014 version of the spell won't be linked to the character sheet/builder anymore. Now, for the old conjure spells that's a complete nonissue, given there's this handy trick called "bookmarking" you can use to quickly bring up the info on either the website or the app. Handily, this feature works for every entry; if for some reason you absolutely must use the 2014 version of a spell where you need to roll dice, you'll need to manually select that pool. Should take maybe 30 seconds on the outside. So if your question is "does some level of inconvenience come from the 2024 spell update", the answer is "yes". Now, regarding the more cogent question "does the level of inconvenience justify all the kicking and screaming people are making over the change", not really. You can still make your attack roll or show your DC from the character sheet, and it takes a minimal amount of personal preparation to keep whichever 2014 entries you need readily accessible for review.
Will they be available in the character builder? Yes or no?
Yes, Conjure Animals will be in the character builder.
I can go into the character builder and select the 2014 Conjure Animals spell that I have purchased, with the instruction text stating that it summons 1/2/3/4 beasts of varying CRs? Or will the 2014 version of the spell be removed?
Well, you definitely can't see the effect you're describing, since that's not how the number progression works. But to address the point you're so archly driving at, as has been said several times, the PHB 2014 version of the spell won't be linked to the character sheet/builder anymore. Now, for the old conjure spells that's a complete nonissue, given there's this handy trick called "bookmarking" you can use to quickly bring up the info on either the website or the app. Handily, this feature works for every entry; if for some reason you absolutely must use the 2014 version of a spell where you need to roll dice, you'll need to manually select that pool. Should take maybe 30 seconds on the outside. So if your question is "does some level of inconvenience come from the 2024 spell update", the answer is "yes". Now, regarding the more cogent question "does the level of inconvenience justify all the kicking and screaming people are making over the change", not really. You can still make your attack roll or show your DC from the character sheet, and it takes a minimal amount of personal preparation to keep whichever 2014 entries you need readily accessible for review.
So the content I have purchased *will* be removed/lost from the character builder?
So if your question is "does some level of inconvenience come from the 2024 spell update", the answer is "yes". Now, regarding the more cogent question "does the level of inconvenience justify all the kicking and screaming people are making over the change", not really. You can still make your attack roll or show your DC from the character sheet, and it takes a minimal amount of personal preparation to keep whichever 2014 entries you need readily accessible for review.
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work. Just because it is a brain dead task does not mean it is not a slog to work through. I do not look forward to doing the same for magic items. If I can pay Beyond $100 bucks to archive all the copies for me, I would do so.
And for users who want to keep the links working as well to achieve the same level of functionality before the update, it will be an even bigger pain in the ass. I am not going down that route, as preserving the copies is enough for me since I mostly utilize the database. And even if a person has the time to fix all the links, there are links that cannot be rerouted, like links in the adventures.
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work.
Nobody is making you homebrew every 2014 spell but you. Did you even look up what the new ones do before starting this drudgery?
I did not want to sit through an hour of watching a video wasting more time. I am already bored out of my mind and slept through half a day on my computer chair. I literally fell asleep at the keyboard.
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work.
Nobody is making you homebrew every 2014 spell but you. Did you even look up what the new ones do before starting this drudgery?
I did not want to sit through an hour of watching a video wasting more time. I am already bored out of my mind and slept through half a day on my computer chair. I literally fell asleep at the keyboard.
The videos are bookmarked/timestamped. Did you try looking up the specific spells you're worried about?
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work.
Nobody is making you homebrew every 2014 spell but you. Did you even look up what the new ones do before starting this drudgery?
I did not want to sit through an hour of watching a video wasting more time. I am already bored out of my mind and slept through half a day on my computer chair. I literally fell asleep at the keyboard.
The videos are bookmarked/timestamped. Did you try looking up the specific spells you're worried about?
I want ALL spells to be preserved. The whole point of wanting them all in Legacy is so that my players got all the options.
I'll take that avoidance as you conceding the argument. As demonstrated, we are losing content. Thank you for your time.
You aren't losing content, your 2014 books will still be there. Thank you for your time.
Oh dear, you slipped back a few steps. It's OK, I'll walk you through it.
I have not purchased and do not own the books. I have purchased and own character builder content. An example of that content is the 2014 Conjure Animals spell.
Will the 2014 Conjure Animals spell, with the instruction text stating that I summon 1/2/4/8 beasts of varying CRs still be available in the character builder?
If the answer (as I think we both know it will be) is "no", then content has been removed.
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work.
Nobody is making you homebrew every 2014 spell but you. Did you even look up what the new ones do before starting this drudgery?
I did not want to sit through an hour of watching a video wasting more time. I am already bored out of my mind and slept through half a day on my computer chair. I literally fell asleep at the keyboard.
The videos are bookmarked/timestamped. Did you try looking up the specific spells you're worried about?
I want ALL spells to be preserved. The whole point of wanting them all in Legacy is so that my players got all the options.
And look at that, all of the spells will remain on the site, and as I've repeatedly pointed out with an absolutely minimal investment of your time you can make it so the descriptions are two whole clicks away.
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work.
Nobody is making you homebrew every 2014 spell but you. Did you even look up what the new ones do before starting this drudgery?
I did not want to sit through an hour of watching a video wasting more time. I am already bored out of my mind and slept through half a day on my computer chair. I literally fell asleep at the keyboard.
The videos are bookmarked/timestamped. Did you try looking up the specific spells you're worried about?
I want ALL spells to be preserved. The whole point of wanting them all in Legacy is so that my players got all the options.
And look at that, all of the spells will remain on the site, and as I've repeatedly pointed out with an absolutely minimal investment of your time you can make it so the descriptions are two whole clicks away.
Don't be obtuse, you know they're referring to the character builder. Compendium content is not an adequate substitute.
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work.
Nobody is making you homebrew every 2014 spell but you. Did you even look up what the new ones do before starting this drudgery?
I did not want to sit through an hour of watching a video wasting more time. I am already bored out of my mind and slept through half a day on my computer chair. I literally fell asleep at the keyboard.
The videos are bookmarked/timestamped. Did you try looking up the specific spells you're worried about?
I want ALL spells to be preserved. The whole point of wanting them all in Legacy is so that my players got all the options.
And look at that, all of the spells will remain on the site, and as I've repeatedly pointed out with an absolutely minimal investment of your time you can make it so the descriptions are two whole clicks away.
Three days is not a minimal investment of my time, and I am still in the process of copying things over. I still have not gotten to the magic items yet. Not everyone can just sit there for hours on end. Most people have better things to do.
And as mentioned previously, if people want the same functionality as before the update, they will need to go through and fix all the links. And even then, not every link can be routed.
You do not have to sit at your computer for hours on end, so you will not understand and see things from my perspective.
And look at that, all of the spells will remain on the site, and as I've repeatedly pointed out with an absolutely minimal investment of your time you can make it so the descriptions are two whole clicks away.
At the Checkout even as we speak those buying a copy of the 2014 PHB are told their purchase will grant them access to that content through the toolkit. Not just as compendium content. Through the toolkit. Even though Beyond are now saying that is about to come to an end if changes have been made. People paid for content to be used through a service and they are going to lose that. Despite their paying it. And anyone who has not bought a whole book but just à la cart spells or items that undergo changes? How do they then access content they paid for? When in a thread about this issue some posts are clocking 120+ likes [REDACTED]
I want ALL spells to be preserved. The whole point of wanting them all in Legacy is so that my players got all the options.
Even if this is your goal, this is probably something I would stretch out over months if not years. Your players aren't using all 200+ spells in a single campaign, nor did all of them even change, much less change in a way that they won't like.
At the Checkout even as we speak those buying a copy of the 2014 PHB are told their purchase will grant them access to that content through the toolkit. Not just as compendium content. Through the toolkit.
You will get 2014 PHB content through the toolkit - species, classes, subclasses, and feats, among others.
I want ALL spells to be preserved. The whole point of wanting them all in Legacy is so that my players got all the options.
Even if this is your goal, this is probably something I would stretch out over months if not years. Your players aren't using all 200+ spells in a single campaign, nor did all of them even change, much less change in a way that they won't like.
I do not think you understand my perspective and what I am going through. Homebrewing from scratch is an even bigger pain in the ass. The whole point of Beyond is to let my players have easy access to all the options. There is a reason why people rather pay Beyond than manually integrate the books themselves. I would choose the option to pay Beyond again to let me keep the content I paid for if I have the option to do so.
And look at that, all of the spells will remain on the site, and as I've repeatedly pointed out with an absolutely minimal investment of your time you can make it so the descriptions are two whole clicks away.
At the Checkout even as we speak those buying a copy of the 2014 PHB are told their purchase will grant them access to that content through the toolkit. Not just as compendium content. Through the toolkit. Even though Beyond are now saying that is about to come to an end if changes have been made. People paid for content to be used through a service and they are going to lose that. Despite their paying it. And anyone who has not bought a whole book but just à la cart spells or items that undergo changes? How do they then access content they paid for? When in a thread about this issue some posts are clocking 120+ likes and it's only here in the General Discussion forums where the usual suspects who defend the company's every decision are pouring so much of their time into defending it anyone can plainly see how out of touch you are.
Well, regarding how a la carte purchases will access the content, the easy answer is the Spells and Magic item section of the site. Frankly, it's a little shocking that you are apparently unaware of the existence of these features and yet consider yourself an authority on what the state of the game on this site will be after the update.
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work.
Nobody is making you homebrew every 2014 spell but you. Did you even look up what the new ones do before starting this drudgery?
I did not want to sit through an hour of watching a video wasting more time. I am already bored out of my mind and slept through half a day on my computer chair. I literally fell asleep at the keyboard.
The videos are bookmarked/timestamped. Did you try looking up the specific spells you're worried about?
I want ALL spells to be preserved. The whole point of wanting them all in Legacy is so that my players got all the options.
And look at that, all of the spells will remain on the site, and as I've repeatedly pointed out with an absolutely minimal investment of your time you can make it so the descriptions are two whole clicks away.
Don't be obtuse, you know they're referring to the character builder. Compendium content is not an adequate substitute.
And why, precisely, is it so onerous that you have to make two clicks to view the spell description instead of one? Or manually selecting your damage dice if you insist for some reason that you absolutely must use 2014 Flame Strike instead of 2024? No one is being hurt by this, and if everyone who was so afraid of not being able to view their spells spend a fraction of the time it takes to write all these posts bookmarking the content they want to keep referencing, they'd already have it all at the tip of their fingertips for when they need it.
At the Checkout even as we speak those buying a copy of the 2014 PHB are told their purchase will grant them access to that content through the toolkit. Not just as compendium content. Through the toolkit.
You will get 2014 PHB content through the toolkit - species, classes, subclasses, and feats, among others.
Nice try, but it specifically lists spells as one of the features, and they will not all be available.
Why are you so resistant to acknowledging that content is being removed from the character builder? You don't have to care, and you can be happy to use the new rules. I just don't understand why you're denying the incontrovertible fact the features are being removed.
I do not think you understand my perspective and what I am going through. Homebrewing from scratch is an even bigger pain in the ass. The whole point of Beyond is to let my players have easy access to all the options. There is a reason why people rather pay Beyond than manually integrate the books themselves. I would choose the option to pay Beyond again to let me keep the content I paid for if I have the option to do so.
If your genuine response to this announcement was "I need to spend days losing sleep to copy every 2014 spell to my homebrew compendium immediately" - then you're right, I don't understand your perspective. It's your choice to make, but my personal opinion is that this is a substantial overreaction.
At an absolute minimum I would tell my players how much work copying hundreds of 2014 spells is likely to be and let them look through the spell changes themselves.
Nice try, but it specifically lists spells as one of the features, and they will not all be available.
Why are you so resistant to acknowledging that content is being removed from the character builder? You don't have to care, and you can be happy to use the new rules. I just don't understand why you're denying the incontrovertible fact the features are being removed.
The line I see in the Marketplace is "With a subscription, you can access all the features of this book in our digital toolset!" The 'digital toolset' includes the Compendium, so that statement is still true. If you feel they're making a false statement, I would either submit a bug report or pursue a refund.
And why, precisely, is it so onerous that you have to make two clicks to view the spell description instead of one? Or manually selecting your damage dice if you insist for some reason that you absolutely must use 2014 Flame Strike instead of 2024? No one is being hurt by this, and if everyone who was so afraid of not being able to view their spells spend a fraction of the time it takes to write all these posts bookmarking the content they want to keep referencing, they'd already have it all at the tip of their fingertips for when they need it.
Not everyone is going to remember which spell was updated and which was not. Having things in the character builder makes things much easier.
I do not think you understand my perspective and what I am going through. Homebrewing from scratch is an even bigger pain in the ass. The whole point of Beyond is to let my players have easy access to all the options. There is a reason why people rather pay Beyond than manually integrate the books themselves. I would choose the option to pay Beyond again to let me keep the content I paid for if I have the option to do so.
If your genuine response to this announcement was "I need to spend days losing sleep to copy every 2014 spell to my homebrew compendium immediately" - then you're right, I don't understand your perspective. It's your choice to make, but my personal opinion is that this is a substantial overreaction.
At an absolute minimum I would tell my players how much work copying hundreds of 2014 spells is likely to be and let them look through the spell changes themselves.
The point of using digital tools is to eliminate as much hassle as possible. Having the spells in the character builder is the easiest way to remind ourselves there is a spell update and let my players choose which option to pick. If you do not care about giving your players all available options, that is fine. But do not dismiss how I want to run my table and give my players as smooth of an experience as possible.
Well, you definitely can't see the effect you're describing, since that's not how the number progression works. But to address the point you're so archly driving at, as has been said several times, the PHB 2014 version of the spell won't be linked to the character sheet/builder anymore. Now, for the old conjure spells that's a complete nonissue, given there's this handy trick called "bookmarking" you can use to quickly bring up the info on either the website or the app. Handily, this feature works for every entry; if for some reason you absolutely must use the 2014 version of a spell where you need to roll dice, you'll need to manually select that pool. Should take maybe 30 seconds on the outside. So if your question is "does some level of inconvenience come from the 2024 spell update", the answer is "yes". Now, regarding the more cogent question "does the level of inconvenience justify all the kicking and screaming people are making over the change", not really. You can still make your attack roll or show your DC from the character sheet, and it takes a minimal amount of personal preparation to keep whichever 2014 entries you need readily accessible for review.
So the content I have purchased *will* be removed/lost from the character builder?
It is not minimal preparation. I spent the last three days copying spells. It is boring tedious work. Just because it is a brain dead task does not mean it is not a slog to work through. I do not look forward to doing the same for magic items. If I can pay Beyond $100 bucks to archive all the copies for me, I would do so.
And for users who want to keep the links working as well to achieve the same level of functionality before the update, it will be an even bigger pain in the ass. I am not going down that route, as preserving the copies is enough for me since I mostly utilize the database. And even if a person has the time to fix all the links, there are links that cannot be rerouted, like links in the adventures.
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You aren't losing content, your 2014 books will still be there. Thank you for your time.
Nobody is making you homebrew every 2014 spell but you. Did you even look up what the new ones do before starting this drudgery?
I did not want to sit through an hour of watching a video wasting more time. I am already bored out of my mind and slept through half a day on my computer chair. I literally fell asleep at the keyboard.
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D&D with High School Students by Bill Allen; Season 1 Episode 1: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NJTUDokyk&t >
The videos are bookmarked/timestamped. Did you try looking up the specific spells you're worried about?
I want ALL spells to be preserved. The whole point of wanting them all in Legacy is so that my players got all the options.
Check Licenses and Resync Entitlements: < https://www.dndbeyond.com/account/licenses >
Running the Game by Matt Colville; Introduction: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YZvLUXcR8 >
D&D with High School Students by Bill Allen; Season 1 Episode 1: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NJTUDokyk&t >
Oh dear, you slipped back a few steps. It's OK, I'll walk you through it.
I have not purchased and do not own the books. I have purchased and own character builder content. An example of that content is the 2014 Conjure Animals spell.
Will the 2014 Conjure Animals spell, with the instruction text stating that I summon 1/2/4/8 beasts of varying CRs still be available in the character builder?
If the answer (as I think we both know it will be) is "no", then content has been removed.
I am off to bed shortly though, so if you're still having trouble with this we can pick up tomorrow 😉
And look at that, all of the spells will remain on the site, and as I've repeatedly pointed out with an absolutely minimal investment of your time you can make it so the descriptions are two whole clicks away.
Don't be obtuse, you know they're referring to the character builder. Compendium content is not an adequate substitute.
Three days is not a minimal investment of my time, and I am still in the process of copying things over. I still have not gotten to the magic items yet. Not everyone can just sit there for hours on end. Most people have better things to do.
And as mentioned previously, if people want the same functionality as before the update, they will need to go through and fix all the links. And even then, not every link can be routed.
You do not have to sit at your computer for hours on end, so you will not understand and see things from my perspective.
Check Licenses and Resync Entitlements: < https://www.dndbeyond.com/account/licenses >
Running the Game by Matt Colville; Introduction: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YZvLUXcR8 >
D&D with High School Students by Bill Allen; Season 1 Episode 1: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NJTUDokyk&t >
At the Checkout even as we speak those buying a copy of the 2014 PHB are told their purchase will grant them access to that content through the toolkit. Not just as compendium content. Through the toolkit. Even though Beyond are now saying that is about to come to an end if changes have been made. People paid for content to be used through a service and they are going to lose that. Despite their paying it. And anyone who has not bought a whole book but just à la cart spells or items that undergo changes? How do they then access content they paid for? When in a thread about this issue some posts are clocking 120+ likes [REDACTED]
I'm good, thank you for your time.
Even if this is your goal, this is probably something I would stretch out over months if not years. Your players aren't using all 200+ spells in a single campaign, nor did all of them even change, much less change in a way that they won't like.
You will get 2014 PHB content through the toolkit - species, classes, subclasses, and feats, among others.
I do not think you understand my perspective and what I am going through. Homebrewing from scratch is an even bigger pain in the ass. The whole point of Beyond is to let my players have easy access to all the options. There is a reason why people rather pay Beyond than manually integrate the books themselves. I would choose the option to pay Beyond again to let me keep the content I paid for if I have the option to do so.
Check Licenses and Resync Entitlements: < https://www.dndbeyond.com/account/licenses >
Running the Game by Matt Colville; Introduction: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YZvLUXcR8 >
D&D with High School Students by Bill Allen; Season 1 Episode 1: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NJTUDokyk&t >
Well, regarding how a la carte purchases will access the content, the easy answer is the Spells and Magic item section of the site. Frankly, it's a little shocking that you are apparently unaware of the existence of these features and yet consider yourself an authority on what the state of the game on this site will be after the update.
And why, precisely, is it so onerous that you have to make two clicks to view the spell description instead of one? Or manually selecting your damage dice if you insist for some reason that you absolutely must use 2014 Flame Strike instead of 2024? No one is being hurt by this, and if everyone who was so afraid of not being able to view their spells spend a fraction of the time it takes to write all these posts bookmarking the content they want to keep referencing, they'd already have it all at the tip of their fingertips for when they need it.
Nice try, but it specifically lists spells as one of the features, and they will not all be available.
Why are you so resistant to acknowledging that content is being removed from the character builder? You don't have to care, and you can be happy to use the new rules. I just don't understand why you're denying the incontrovertible fact the features are being removed.
(Your in luck, I'm struggling to sleep)
If your genuine response to this announcement was "I need to spend days losing sleep to copy every 2014 spell to my homebrew compendium immediately" - then you're right, I don't understand your perspective. It's your choice to make, but my personal opinion is that this is a substantial overreaction.
At an absolute minimum I would tell my players how much work copying hundreds of 2014 spells is likely to be and let them look through the spell changes themselves.
The line I see in the Marketplace is "With a subscription, you can access all the features of this book in our digital toolset!" The 'digital toolset' includes the Compendium, so that statement is still true. If you feel they're making a false statement, I would either submit a bug report or pursue a refund.
Right, lucky me.
Not everyone is going to remember which spell was updated and which was not. Having things in the character builder makes things much easier.
The point of using digital tools is to eliminate as much hassle as possible. Having the spells in the character builder is the easiest way to remind ourselves there is a spell update and let my players choose which option to pick. If you do not care about giving your players all available options, that is fine. But do not dismiss how I want to run my table and give my players as smooth of an experience as possible.
Check Licenses and Resync Entitlements: < https://www.dndbeyond.com/account/licenses >
Running the Game by Matt Colville; Introduction: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YZvLUXcR8 >
D&D with High School Students by Bill Allen; Season 1 Episode 1: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52NJTUDokyk&t >