Well, you actually can wield 2 longswords... there's just no benefit from doing it, you cant use a bonus action to attack with the other sword on the same turn... You need to have extra attack and use 1 sword for each attack.
Light weapons give you the benefit to attack using a bonus action with your off-hand weapon. a Nick weapon makes that part of the first attack. And dual wielder expands the type of weapon you can use in your off-hand.
Very well put. thank you!
Pedantry incoming, but there is actually a benefit in some very niche scenarios, If you were wielding a Longsword Defender, you could attack and shift the +3 bonus to AC and then make all of your other attacks to your other weapon. Why you wouldn't just invest into a +1 Shield at that point though is another question.
Well, you actually can wield 2 longswords... there's just no benefit from doing it, you cant use a bonus action to attack with the other sword on the same turn... You need to have extra attack and use 1 sword for each attack.
Light weapons give you the benefit to attack using a bonus action with your off-hand weapon. a Nick weapon makes that part of the first attack. And dual wielder expands the type of weapon you can use in your off-hand.
Very well put. thank you!
Pedantry incoming, but there is actually a benefit in some very niche scenarios, If you were wielding a Longsword Defender, you could attack and shift the +3 bonus to AC and then make all of your other attacks to your other weapon. Why you wouldn't just invest into a +1 Shield at that point though is another question.
RAW, No Dual Wielding 2 non-light weapons when you take the Dual Weilder feat? Why? Mechanically the best non-twohanded weapon is a d8 damage. Is the potential extra 1 or 2 non-reliable extra damage points that unbalancing? Monks can already do d8 damage dual wielding with light weapons automatically at 5th level. Am I missing something? Dude, All I wanted was to dual wield long swords or dual wield whips...
And while we're at it. Why would I ever dual wield two weapons that had the Slow, Sap or Nick property?
It's not a video game and you have to draw the line somewhere.
THis is one of those things where you collaborate with your DM and make a mechanic that works for what you want to accomplish the books are merely the beginning they are not the end. look to the older editions and see how they handled it.
If you are a level 9 Fighter with TWF and Dual Wielder, from what I can gather, you can wield a light weapon in one hand and a longsword in your other hand. You then make an attack with the light weapon, triggering Dual Wielder, you can now make 3 attacks with the longsword, 1 as a bonus action and 2 with your last 2 attacks from the Attack action. I don't have my book with me, but do you actually have to choose a main hand and off hand to use when you make the character?
If I'm using a battle axe and longsword in each hand, I don't think theres anything from stopping me making 3 attacks with the battle axe on one turn, and making 3 attacks with the longsword on the next turn. Or doing 1 attack with the battle axe and 2 attacks with the longsword on the same turn.
If you are a level 9 Fighter with TWF and Dual Wielder, from what I can gather, you can wield a light weapon in one hand and a longsword in your other hand. You then make an attack with the light weapon, triggering Dual Wielder, you can now make 3 attacks with the longsword, 1 as a bonus action and 2 with your last 2 attacks from the Attack action. I don't have my book with me, but do you actually have to choose a main hand and off hand to use when you make the character?
If I'm using a battle axe and longsword in each hand, I don't think theres anything from stopping me making 3 attacks with the battle axe on one turn, and making 3 attacks with the longsword on the next turn. Or doing 1 attack with the battle axe and 2 attacks with the longsword on the same turn.
Such level 9 Fighter can't make that many attack before level 11. What he could make is;
1 Attack with Light Weapon [Attack Action]
1 Attack With Longsword [Extra Attack]
1 Attack With Longsword BA [Dual Wielder]
With the Attack Action Extra Attack can be made with same or different weapon. Only the Light Property or Dual Wielder require different weapons.
Monks can already do d8 damage dual wielding with light weapons automatically at 5th level.
Automatically? I believe they need the Weapon Master Feat to gain the benefits of any master properties.
Monks being able to deal d8 damage with certain Light weapons at 5th level has nothing to do with weapon mastery properties. It's part of their Martial Arts class feature.
Monks can already do d8 damage dual wielding with light weapons automatically at 5th level.
Automatically? I believe they need the Weapon Master Feat to gain the benefits of any master properties.
Monks being able to deal d8 damage with certain Light weapons at 5th level has nothing to do with weapon mastery properties. It's part of their Martial Arts class feature.
Not if they want to keep their unarmed bonus action, and lose adding their damage modifier to the second weapon attack. They need the Weapon Mastery Feat to use the Light properties to both get the full benefit of using the second weapon plus damage modifier, and still use their unarmed attacks.
Monks can already do d8 damage dual wielding with light weapons automatically at 5th level.
Automatically? I believe they need the Weapon Master Feat to gain the benefits of any master properties.
Monks being able to deal d8 damage with certain Light weapons at 5th level has nothing to do with weapon mastery properties. It's part of their Martial Arts class feature.
Not if they want to keep their unarmed bonus action, and lose adding their damage modifier to the second weapon attack. They need the Weapon Mastery Feat to use the Light properties to both get the full benefit of using the second weapon plus damage modifier, and still use their unarmed attacks.
I mean, yes, that's true, but that doesn't change the fact that (as jace1498 said) they can deal 1d8 damage dual wielding Light weapons automatically at level 5.
Light is not a mastery property. Anyone can use the Light property of a weapon.
Yeah, but it's useless to a monk if they don't have masteries, because the bonus action competes with the bonus action from martial arts/flurry of blows, and is also bad if you don't have two weapon fighting, so you'll really only see it on a monk multiclass (monk/fighter multiclass can have hilarious attacks per round).
Pedantry incoming, but there is actually a benefit in some very niche scenarios, If you were wielding a Longsword Defender, you could attack and shift the +3 bonus to AC and then make all of your other attacks to your other weapon. Why you wouldn't just invest into a +1 Shield at that point though is another question.
Style...
It's not a video game and you have to draw the line somewhere.
THis is one of those things where you collaborate with your DM and make a mechanic that works for what you want to accomplish the books are merely the beginning they are not the end. look to the older editions and see how they handled it.
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Eh, just another martial nerf.
If you are a level 9 Fighter with TWF and Dual Wielder, from what I can gather, you can wield a light weapon in one hand and a longsword in your other hand. You then make an attack with the light weapon, triggering Dual Wielder, you can now make 3 attacks with the longsword, 1 as a bonus action and 2 with your last 2 attacks from the Attack action. I don't have my book with me, but do you actually have to choose a main hand and off hand to use when you make the character?
If I'm using a battle axe and longsword in each hand, I don't think theres anything from stopping me making 3 attacks with the battle axe on one turn, and making 3 attacks with the longsword on the next turn. Or doing 1 attack with the battle axe and 2 attacks with the longsword on the same turn.
Just my 2 cents.
Such level 9 Fighter can't make that many attack before level 11. What he could make is;
1 Attack with Light Weapon [Attack Action]
1 Attack With Longsword [Extra Attack]
1 Attack With Longsword BA [Dual Wielder]
With the Attack Action Extra Attack can be made with same or different weapon. Only the Light Property or Dual Wielder require different weapons.
Automatically? I believe they need the Weapon Master Feat to gain the benefits of any master properties.
Monks being able to deal d8 damage with certain Light weapons at 5th level has nothing to do with weapon mastery properties. It's part of their Martial Arts class feature.
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Not if they want to keep their unarmed bonus action, and lose adding their damage modifier to the second weapon attack. They need the Weapon Mastery Feat to use the Light properties to both get the full benefit of using the second weapon plus damage modifier, and still use their unarmed attacks.
Light is not a mastery property. Anyone can use the Light property of a weapon.
I mean, yes, that's true, but that doesn't change the fact that (as jace1498 said) they can deal 1d8 damage dual wielding Light weapons automatically at level 5.
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Yeah, but it's useless to a monk if they don't have masteries, because the bonus action competes with the bonus action from martial arts/flurry of blows, and is also bad if you don't have two weapon fighting, so you'll really only see it on a monk multiclass (monk/fighter multiclass can have hilarious attacks per round).
Unless I misunderstood what MPA said, I was responding directly to this statement. Sorry, should have quoted at the first.
Just get the Brutal Grip feat from Valdas Spire of Secrets.
If the DM allows that book. I don’t so thats out in some games.
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Valdas Spire of Secrets is third party and so most DMs aren't going to allow it. This seems to be the biggest issue with D&D Beyond at this point.