Level 3: Adventurer's Atlas (Eberron Forge of the Artificer)
Whenever you finish a long while holding cartographer tools, you can use that tool to create a set of magical maps by touching at least two creatures (one of whom can be yourself), up to a maximum number of creatures equal to 1 plus your Intelligence modifier (minimum of two creatures). Each target receives a magical map, which constantly updates to show the relative position of all the map holders but is illegible to all others. The maps last until you die or until you use this feature again, at which point any existing maps created by this feature immediately vanish.
While carrying the map, a target gains the following benefits.
Awareness. The target adds 1d4 to its initiative rolls.
Positioning. The target knows the location of all other map holders that are on the same plane of existence as itself. When casting a spell or creating another effect that requires being able to see the effect's target, a map holder can target another map holder regardless of sight or cover, so long as the other map holder is still within the effect's range.
So, who are the targets?
A) The creatures you design at finishing the long rest? B) The creatures who hold the map?
If option A, its clearly useless to give the map to any creature that you want to know its location and its not your ally because you have to sleep with him/her. Strangely that happens, most peaople doesnt sleep near the bbeg or a guy who you want to spy (i dont know if i explain well). Allies of course benefit from this, but most of times you know where allies are at. So, you cant use the map as a "tracker" for bbeg or any who you mant to know his/her location unless you sleep with him/her
If option B, that would be nice, means you can give the map to your rogue and he slips it in a backpack or something so you can use it as tracker without being notice at all.
Could anyone help me to clear this?
My opinion: You design a map holder on a finishing rest because wording says, but since you create the map, and give it to the creature, if that creature gives it to any other creature, that new creatures becomes the "map holder", because its well.... holding/carrying it (meaning option B)
If option A, i know i can summon a familiar and give him a map and then use it as a tracker, but i want to know what peaople think about this
I think the intent is that you're selecting allies and they keep the map you give them. Using the maps as tracking device for enemies is probably an exploit/clever player shenanigans (depending on how favourably the DM looks upon such things).
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So slipping it into an opponent's pack allows tracking that opponent, and as it wasn't an original target the opponent cannot use the map or benefit from the initiative bonus. Not a bad little trick.
The "map holder" is whoever is currently in possession of one of these maps. The targeting of creatures is just for the purpose of determining how many maps are created, the act of targeting them doesn't make them a map holder.
thats what i want to believe, and for me makes sense. But it says you desing "map holders" by finishing long rest, so all effects remain if the tarjet has or not the map for it effects, meaning if he gives or loses the map cant get benefits from it , Isnt it?
.Thats why i am asking, for me, makes sense a map holder is the one whos actualy carrying the map, not only the tarjet who designed at lfinishing a long rest
LV 3 cartographer says that
Level 3: Adventurer's Atlas (Eberron Forge of the Artificer)
Whenever you finish a long while holding cartographer tools, you can use that tool to create a set of magical maps by touching at least two creatures (one of whom can be yourself), up to a maximum number of creatures equal to 1 plus your Intelligence modifier (minimum of two creatures). Each target receives a magical map, which constantly updates to show the relative position of all the map holders but is illegible to all others. The maps last until you die or until you use this feature again, at which point any existing maps created by this feature immediately vanish.
While carrying the map, a target gains the following benefits.
Awareness. The target adds 1d4 to its initiative rolls.
Positioning. The target knows the location of all other map holders that are on the same plane of existence as itself. When casting a spell or creating another effect that requires being able to see the effect's target, a map holder can target another map holder regardless of sight or cover, so long as the other map holder is still within the effect's range.
So, who are the targets?
A) The creatures you design at finishing the long rest?
B) The creatures who hold the map?
If option A, its clearly useless to give the map to any creature that you want to know its location and its not your ally because you have to sleep with him/her. Strangely that happens, most peaople doesnt sleep near the bbeg or a guy who you want to spy (i dont know if i explain well). Allies of course benefit from this, but most of times you know where allies are at. So, you cant use the map as a "tracker" for bbeg or any who you mant to know his/her location unless you sleep with him/her
If option B, that would be nice, means you can give the map to your rogue and he slips it in a backpack or something so you can use it as tracker without being notice at all.
Could anyone help me to clear this?
My opinion: You design a map holder on a finishing rest because wording says, but since you create the map, and give it to the creature, if that creature gives it to any other creature, that new creatures becomes the "map holder", because its well.... holding/carrying it (meaning option B)
If option A, i know i can summon a familiar and give him a map and then use it as a tracker, but i want to know what peaople think about this
I think the intent is that you're selecting allies and they keep the map you give them. Using the maps as tracking device for enemies is probably an exploit/clever player shenanigans (depending on how favourably the DM looks upon such things).
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So slipping it into an opponent's pack allows tracking that opponent, and as it wasn't an original target the opponent cannot use the map or benefit from the initiative bonus. Not a bad little trick.
any ideas about how to use it clever/tricky thinks? Want to know your ideas.
I already know i coould for example use portent if multiclass, or magic circle from forgotten realms heroes of faerun. What ideas comes in mind?
The "map holder" is whoever is currently in possession of one of these maps. The targeting of creatures is just for the purpose of determining how many maps are created, the act of targeting them doesn't make them a map holder.
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thats what i want to believe, and for me makes sense. But it says you desing "map holders" by finishing long rest, so all effects remain if the tarjet has or not the map for it effects, meaning if he gives or loses the map cant get benefits from it , Isnt it?
.Thats why i am asking, for me, makes sense a map holder is the one whos actualy carrying the map, not only the tarjet who designed at lfinishing a long rest