I know that the D&D Beyond team have approached the publishers of some of the more popular third party books, but I understand that it's contractually very complicated as any such negotiation involves full agreement on terms from all parties: Curse, Wizards of the Coast, the author, and the publisher.
Has there ever been any update on thing like this?
Now that ive been playing d&d for a bit longer and getting to grips with it the more im allured by 3rd party etc, i really wish d&d beyond could incorporate more of this stuff, it sucks that WOTC has it on such a tight leash, even if it cant be gotten on here is there a possibilty in a system such as in the way, DrivethruRPG and DMsguild function? where our accounts are linked and to allow us to have awesome character sheets but with the functionality with more tools for home brew and other companies stuff, there's lots of great stuff out there, its a shame its so restrictive atm, the Runeterra stuff was great when it was on here, really liked the bilgewater stuff dissapointing when it left.
There have been numerous, numerous, and beyond numerous posts since 2018 where this has been ruled out. There was a partnership with Legends of Runeterra that D&D Beyond presented as being forever, and then ended up being timegated. Matt Mercer and his Blood Hunter are on D&D Beyond, but that was probably a concession to help promote D&D Beyond since at that point it was being heavily advertised on every single episode of Critical Role.
Shit, I'd wager personally the only reason Blood Hunter got UPDATED was because of its new use in the new season of Critical Role to keep said partnership going. Those are my personal thoughts.
The chances of D&D Beyond getting any single piece of "official" third party content, be it from Nerd Immersion, Dungeon Dudes, Kobold Press, Darrington Press etc is basically 0.
Oh my god I hate when people dredge up ancient dead corpses of threads nobody ever needed to see again just to ask a simple question that's been answered ten thousand times already...
Short answer: no. Won't ever happen. Stop asking.
Longer answer: Third-party content is a no-go for DDB, primarily because they can't keep up with first-party content from Wizards directly. Implementing each new book in DDB is an enormous time sink and hassle, they've already opted out of providing a significant percentage of base content from the base game simply because their system can't handle it. Asking them to support hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of crazy third-party books that all take radical license with the rules is a nonstarter. It's not that they won't do it, it's that they can't do it. They do not have the resources and manpower required to handle that kind of flood tide, and Wizards would pitch a snarling ***** fit if DDB tried despite the fact that Wizards is also ostensibly totally in favor of the third-party secondary market for D&D.
All the above in this revitalization of the thread is true, but I'll point out that the latest deep survey from DDB did ask about the frequency of third party professionally published material in a DDB user's campaign. My guess is the strict WotC only agreement is what gives DDB the right to use Dungeons and Dragons in their business name. If they had the license to adapt Kobold Press or what have you a la Roll20 or Fantasy Grounds (which I think would actually entail giving those publishers access to the pro-tools of DDB) they'd probably have to switch to 5eBeyond or WorldsGreatestFantasyBeyond or what have you.
D&d beyond.. Its beyond d&d! But no further than the wizards coast... 😅😩
Like i said a sister company would be a decent compromise kinda like how dms guild and drivethrupg work 🤷🏻♀️
To your quip, the Beyond means the service takes your game into a digitally supported capacity "beyond" what is possible using just the books.
To your "it'd be pretty to think so" creation of I guess a parallel business entity to DDB that would provide third party development of third party material for use in DDB accounts (you make it sound easy). There's a distinction between what D&D Beyond does and what DMsGuild and Drivethru (actually the same company exercising difference licenses with WotC there) do, that I just recently explained to somone in another part of the forum.
I think you're comparing apples and oranges. D&D Beyond mainly provides a set of tools integrated with digital productions of all almost all existent WotC 5e materials. That integration chiefly (in my opinion) allows for the creation of character sheets integrated with those tools for largely "error free" and streamlined character generation. It also has tools to enter "homebrew" in the form of monsters, subclasses, races, and other character options, be that homebrew truly creator original content (which can be "published" to the DDB community) or adapting third party materials for the users personal or campaign shared use.
DMsGuild is a marketplace where folks can create content that makes use of WotC IP, be that content adventures, monsters, character options (including new classes that won't be compatible with DDB).
I heard somewhere that stuff put on DMsGuild can't be published as homebrew on DDB because of WotC's de facto "ownership" of all DMsGuild content (you get a cut if you make sales but WotC gets a bigger share I believe because you're technically profiting off their brand, Drive-Thru and the SRD is what you do if you want a greater cut, there was just a thread about this a couple of weeks ago.
tl;dr D&D Beyond is a toolset and digital adaptation of 5e rules; DMsGuild is a marketplace for creators interested in making and selling content under the D&D 5e brand. You can buy the rules for 5e with digital enhancement to chiefly character management but also cross book search for monsters and the like on D&D Beyond that provides some support to Homebrew (with limits so said homebrew can be integrated with DDB's toolsets) ... DMsGuild you can only buy homebrewed (of varying professional quality) supplements and as that content does not have to be married to DDB tools, there's arguably more creative freedom there.
Let's also realize that the quality control on DMsGuild and Drivethru is non existent. They're clearing house market places and a lot of the stuff on there "for dungeons and dragons" that just isn't compatible with DDB (I believe some third part publishers do intentionally design content for ease of implementation with DDB's tools, others design new character classes or mechanic breaking "new layers of rules" that can't be easily contained with DDB tools ...) or in some cases 5e period.
Again, it'd be pretty to think DDB could just license its tool development kit to other parties that could be sold in a secondary marketplace that was nevertheless integrated into the main DDB service, but there are some technical (both in terms of "doing stuff with computers" and "business practices" technical) obstructions to the simplicity of "just making it so" that seem trivial or discarded by users, but really literally matter to the businesses involved in all this.
I'd personally love to see a 5eBeyond, because it's easier to type than WorldsGreatestRolePlayingGameBeyond, but even despite DDB asking about how often I use third party publications in my games, I don't think we'd see something like that until there's a fully produced 6e or Golden Edition or CD D&D Project 2024 RED out that WotC decides to support with in house developed digital tools (I don't necessary think that's going to happen, but it's entirely possible and WotC tends to get a little looser on the controls it applies to legacy edition materials).
The latest DDB survey did mention third-party content, but frankly the one chance they had to implement a third-party book and see where it goes has come and gone. If any third-party book could have ever been justified as a test case for DDB doing third-party content, it was the Tal'Dorei Campaign Guide Reborn. But Joe's confirmed it is not and never will be on DDB despite DDB's close association with Critical Role and Wizards of the Coast's obvious blessing on Critical Role. Especially as many of the people involved in TDCGR are also former staffers at DDB and have the connections there to make it happen.
If TDCGR didn't make the cut? Nothing anybody else ever does is going to either.
Matt Mercer and his Blood Hunter are on D&D Beyond, but that was probably a concession to help promote D&D Beyond since at that point it was being heavily advertised on every single episode of Critical Role.
Blood Hunter is a class, and it's currently and for the foreseeable future impossible to homebrew classes on DDB (this might even be something WotC requires). Hard to ask CritRole to promote your app if one of the players can't even use it for their character.
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Shit, I'd wager personally the only reason Blood Hunter got UPDATED was because of its new use in the new season of Critical Role to keep said partnership going. Those are my personal thoughts.
Short tangent, but I had no idea the Blood Hunter had been updated recently. I really wish D&D Beyond gave the class its own forum to discuss these things. If you are going to sponsor the content in an official capacity and integrate it into your site's tools so people can use it, users should be able to actually have conversations about it.
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Blood Hunter is on the periphery of my D&D awareness, I've looked at it, would be open to seeing how one would play out in one of my games, but no one I play with has been intererested in seeing it. Despite that I was aware of the DDB update to Blood Hunter, I forget through which channels the announcement was made; but in addition to that news being circuluated Davvyd recently wrote up a guide to the class that I think is still on the main page.
That said, I think you're right that, despite "technical homebrew," the fact that it's a DDB officially supported class sort of asks for it to have a class forum like official classes. Might be more likely to get a player to run one if I could send them to a robust discussion forum of its merits.
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The latest DDB survey did mention third-party content, but frankly the one chance they had to implement a third-party book and see where it goes has come and gone. If any third-party book could have ever been justified as a test case for DDB doing third-party content, it was the Tal'Dorei Campaign Guide Reborn. But Joe's confirmed it is not and never will be on DDB despite DDB's close association with Critical Role and Wizards of the Coast's obvious blessing on Critical Role. Especially as many of the people involved in TDCGR are also former staffers at DDB and have the connections there to make it happen.
If TDCGR didn't make the cut? Nothing anybody else ever does is going to either.
I don't think the goal of such a measure would be to pick "one special book"; but rather "partner with a press with consistent quality output easily implementable by D&D Beyond Devs, or a 3rd party team who could build the content directly into D&D Beyond for the team (I honestly don't know how Roll20 or Fantasy Grounds does it, but "ready for Fantasy Grounds" is a selling point on DMsGuild, I"m not sure what tools are involved there)." So like for example Kobold Press or Hit Point Press probably(?); but not likely MCDM, ENWorld or other publishers who really push past the 5e system represented in D&D Beyond with new classes and mechanics that chafe against 5e streamlininess.
I know there was a false rumor that MMM would be leaving 5e behind because none of it would be updating the SRD (false rumor because nothing in MMM is in the SRD anyway); but if Projekt D&D 2024 GOLD or whatever I've been calling it does make that sort of leap, or does the slick yet gross move of producing their next digital toolset inhouse ... hi Microsoft alum ... 5e could become more of a 3rd party and homebrew playspace in its wake. This last point is a giant maybe and I think is less likely to happen than happen, but as far as DDB needing a magic bullet book to open up relationships with 3rd party presses, I see it more likely to be outreach and relationship building with a publisher with a range of books easily brought under the DDB marketplace banner than a blockbuster.
I don't think particular personal associated with DDB and CR Kickstarted Industries is necessarily the grease in this. James Haeck's name is everywhere in the industry, so I mean sure we could Borg him and plug him direct into the DDB development space, but we just had a long flame war over consent and I'm pretty sure even that guy has a work/life balance. Otherwise the 5e space has a number of revolving doors between WotC (who would have the strongest voice at a "should we 3rd party") table and the 3rd party presses ... to the point that they've actually WotC. has been doing some intentional work to diversify their creative base for the good of the community, though even that work is not without its critics.
An awesome April Fools but real gift for DDB would be to offer the Pugilist, wild thought there.
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Agreed!
Has there ever been any update on thing like this?
Now that ive been playing d&d for a bit longer and getting to grips with it the more im allured by 3rd party etc, i really wish d&d beyond could incorporate more of this stuff, it sucks that WOTC has it on such a tight leash, even if it cant be gotten on here is there a possibilty in a system such as in the way, DrivethruRPG and DMsguild function? where our accounts are linked and to allow us to have awesome character sheets but with the functionality with more tools for home brew and other companies stuff, there's lots of great stuff out there, its a shame its so restrictive atm, the Runeterra stuff was great when it was on here, really liked the bilgewater stuff dissapointing when it left.
There have been numerous, numerous, and beyond numerous posts since 2018 where this has been ruled out. There was a partnership with Legends of Runeterra that D&D Beyond presented as being forever, and then ended up being timegated. Matt Mercer and his Blood Hunter are on D&D Beyond, but that was probably a concession to help promote D&D Beyond since at that point it was being heavily advertised on every single episode of Critical Role.
Shit, I'd wager personally the only reason Blood Hunter got UPDATED was because of its new use in the new season of Critical Role to keep said partnership going. Those are my personal thoughts.
The chances of D&D Beyond getting any single piece of "official" third party content, be it from Nerd Immersion, Dungeon Dudes, Kobold Press, Darrington Press etc is basically 0.
D&d beyond.. Its beyond d&d! But no further than the wizards coast... 😅😩
Like i said a sister company would be a decent compromise kinda like how dms guild and drivethrupg work 🤷🏻♀️
Oh my god I hate when people dredge up ancient dead corpses of threads nobody ever needed to see again just to ask a simple question that's been answered ten thousand times already...
Short answer: no. Won't ever happen. Stop asking.
Longer answer: Third-party content is a no-go for DDB, primarily because they can't keep up with first-party content from Wizards directly. Implementing each new book in DDB is an enormous time sink and hassle, they've already opted out of providing a significant percentage of base content from the base game simply because their system can't handle it. Asking them to support hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of crazy third-party books that all take radical license with the rules is a nonstarter. It's not that they won't do it, it's that they can't do it. They do not have the resources and manpower required to handle that kind of flood tide, and Wizards would pitch a snarling ***** fit if DDB tried despite the fact that Wizards is also ostensibly totally in favor of the third-party secondary market for D&D.
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All the above in this revitalization of the thread is true, but I'll point out that the latest deep survey from DDB did ask about the frequency of third party professionally published material in a DDB user's campaign. My guess is the strict WotC only agreement is what gives DDB the right to use Dungeons and Dragons in their business name. If they had the license to adapt Kobold Press or what have you a la Roll20 or Fantasy Grounds (which I think would actually entail giving those publishers access to the pro-tools of DDB) they'd probably have to switch to 5eBeyond or WorldsGreatestFantasyBeyond or what have you.
To your quip, the Beyond means the service takes your game into a digitally supported capacity "beyond" what is possible using just the books.
To your "it'd be pretty to think so" creation of I guess a parallel business entity to DDB that would provide third party development of third party material for use in DDB accounts (you make it sound easy). There's a distinction between what D&D Beyond does and what DMsGuild and Drivethru (actually the same company exercising difference licenses with WotC there) do, that I just recently explained to somone in another part of the forum.
Let's also realize that the quality control on DMsGuild and Drivethru is non existent. They're clearing house market places and a lot of the stuff on there "for dungeons and dragons" that just isn't compatible with DDB (I believe some third part publishers do intentionally design content for ease of implementation with DDB's tools, others design new character classes or mechanic breaking "new layers of rules" that can't be easily contained with DDB tools ...) or in some cases 5e period.
Again, it'd be pretty to think DDB could just license its tool development kit to other parties that could be sold in a secondary marketplace that was nevertheless integrated into the main DDB service, but there are some technical (both in terms of "doing stuff with computers" and "business practices" technical) obstructions to the simplicity of "just making it so" that seem trivial or discarded by users, but really literally matter to the businesses involved in all this.
I'd personally love to see a 5eBeyond, because it's easier to type than WorldsGreatestRolePlayingGameBeyond, but even despite DDB asking about how often I use third party publications in my games, I don't think we'd see something like that until there's a fully produced 6e or Golden Edition or CD D&D Project 2024 RED out that WotC decides to support with in house developed digital tools (I don't necessary think that's going to happen, but it's entirely possible and WotC tends to get a little looser on the controls it applies to legacy edition materials).
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
The latest DDB survey did mention third-party content, but frankly the one chance they had to implement a third-party book and see where it goes has come and gone. If any third-party book could have ever been justified as a test case for DDB doing third-party content, it was the Tal'Dorei Campaign Guide Reborn. But Joe's confirmed it is not and never will be on DDB despite DDB's close association with Critical Role and Wizards of the Coast's obvious blessing on Critical Role. Especially as many of the people involved in TDCGR are also former staffers at DDB and have the connections there to make it happen.
If TDCGR didn't make the cut? Nothing anybody else ever does is going to either.
Please do not contact or message me.
Blood Hunter is a class, and it's currently and for the foreseeable future impossible to homebrew classes on DDB (this might even be something WotC requires). Hard to ask CritRole to promote your app if one of the players can't even use it for their character.
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Short tangent, but I had no idea the Blood Hunter had been updated recently. I really wish D&D Beyond gave the class its own forum to discuss these things. If you are going to sponsor the content in an official capacity and integrate it into your site's tools so people can use it, users should be able to actually have conversations about it.
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Blood Hunter is on the periphery of my D&D awareness, I've looked at it, would be open to seeing how one would play out in one of my games, but no one I play with has been intererested in seeing it. Despite that I was aware of the DDB update to Blood Hunter, I forget through which channels the announcement was made; but in addition to that news being circuluated Davvyd recently wrote up a guide to the class that I think is still on the main page.
That said, I think you're right that, despite "technical homebrew," the fact that it's a DDB officially supported class sort of asks for it to have a class forum like official classes. Might be more likely to get a player to run one if I could send them to a robust discussion forum of its merits.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
I don't think the goal of such a measure would be to pick "one special book"; but rather "partner with a press with consistent quality output easily implementable by D&D Beyond Devs, or a 3rd party team who could build the content directly into D&D Beyond for the team (I honestly don't know how Roll20 or Fantasy Grounds does it, but "ready for Fantasy Grounds" is a selling point on DMsGuild, I"m not sure what tools are involved there)." So like for example Kobold Press or Hit Point Press probably(?); but not likely MCDM, ENWorld or other publishers who really push past the 5e system represented in D&D Beyond with new classes and mechanics that chafe against 5e streamlininess.
I know there was a false rumor that MMM would be leaving 5e behind because none of it would be updating the SRD (false rumor because nothing in MMM is in the SRD anyway); but if Projekt D&D 2024 GOLD or whatever I've been calling it does make that sort of leap, or does the slick yet gross move of producing their next digital toolset inhouse ... hi Microsoft alum ... 5e could become more of a 3rd party and homebrew playspace in its wake. This last point is a giant maybe and I think is less likely to happen than happen, but as far as DDB needing a magic bullet book to open up relationships with 3rd party presses, I see it more likely to be outreach and relationship building with a publisher with a range of books easily brought under the DDB marketplace banner than a blockbuster.
I don't think particular personal associated with DDB and CR Kickstarted Industries is necessarily the grease in this. James Haeck's name is everywhere in the industry, so I mean sure we could Borg him and plug him direct into the DDB development space, but we just had a long flame war over consent and I'm pretty sure even that guy has a work/life balance. Otherwise the 5e space has a number of revolving doors between WotC (who would have the strongest voice at a "should we 3rd party") table and the 3rd party presses ... to the point that they've actually WotC. has been doing some intentional work to diversify their creative base for the good of the community, though even that work is not without its critics.
An awesome April Fools but real gift for DDB would be to offer the Pugilist, wild thought there.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.