Let’s agree that 5e doesn’t make realistic sense and take it from there😂
And yet max recorded human lifting capacity, around 580 pounds, translates into around a 19 strength, which is essentially max normal human in game... not supernaturally strong human... (This is actually one of the reasons a 30 max bothers me, especially since that supposedly even applies to gods.... )
Exactly. Just because some parts of the game corresponds somewhat to realism does not mean that the whole of it is therefor realistic.
Let’s agree that 5e doesn’t make realistic sense and take it from there😂
And yet max recorded human lifting capacity, around 580 pounds, translates into around a 19 strength, which is essentially max normal human in game... not supernaturally strong human... (This is actually one of the reasons a 30 max bothers me, especially since that supposedly even applies to gods.... )
And yet the actual record for raw (= no special gear) deadlift is 1015 lbs... which is a Strength Score of 33.
I think you may be missing something regarding the deadlift comparisons. These deadlift guys are lifting that weight above their head for a couple seconds at most with extreme strain while just standing there.
Here's the PHB quote:
Push, Drag, or Lift. You can push, drag, or lift a weight in pounds up to twice your carrying capacity (or 30 times your Strength score). While pushing or dragging weight in excess of your carrying capacity, your speed drops to 5 feet.
It's not the same thing. The in-game rule has characters moving at 5 feet per round with 30x their Strength. That's not just lifting it for a second while standing in place then letting it drop. The PCs can move 30x their weight, at a slow pace, indefinitely.
Now I agree you can parse what the rule is saying. It mentions lift in the first sentence, but not the second sentence. The writer could be meaning if you are moving that weight about, you can only drag or push it, you aren't lifting it while carrying it? For it to be compared to deadlifts, you would have to interpret the PHB rule as meaning when you are lifting you can't move it and you can't even hold it up for the entire round, just for a second.
House Rule that if you just need to deadlift something for a second (so the PCs leg can be yanked out from under the bolder), you can pick up 50x their Strength (perhaps require a Strength check, these deadlift guys sometimes fail). If you need a PC to lift something and just stand there for round after round, it's the by-the-book 30x their Strength.
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Exactly. Just because some parts of the game corresponds somewhat to realism does not mean that the whole of it is therefor realistic.
And yet the actual record for raw (= no special gear) deadlift is 1015 lbs... which is a Strength Score of 33.
Benedikt Magnusson outlifts even the gods.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadlift
Fantasy RPG rules and real world physics don't work well together.
In 5E terms, Magnusson would almost certainly have the Powerful Build trait.
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I think you may be missing something regarding the deadlift comparisons. These deadlift guys are lifting that weight above their head for a couple seconds at most with extreme strain while just standing there.
Here's the PHB quote:
It's not the same thing. The in-game rule has characters moving at 5 feet per round with 30x their Strength. That's not just lifting it for a second while standing in place then letting it drop. The PCs can move 30x their weight, at a slow pace, indefinitely.
Now I agree you can parse what the rule is saying. It mentions lift in the first sentence, but not the second sentence. The writer could be meaning if you are moving that weight about, you can only drag or push it, you aren't lifting it while carrying it? For it to be compared to deadlifts, you would have to interpret the PHB rule as meaning when you are lifting you can't move it and you can't even hold it up for the entire round, just for a second.
House Rule that if you just need to deadlift something for a second (so the PCs leg can be yanked out from under the bolder), you can pick up 50x their Strength (perhaps require a Strength check, these deadlift guys sometimes fail). If you need a PC to lift something and just stand there for round after round, it's the by-the-book 30x their Strength.