I've seen Evermeet mentioned several times, what has been changed in the book regarding the lore of the island?
MTOFs completely unmoored it from the Forgotten Realms and basically turned it into the Sigil for Elves throughout the D&D multiverse.
Wasn't that the Spellplague doing though? I'd need to dust off 4th ed. campaign setting but AFAIR it moved into Feywild because of it and it's unclear how much of it returned (if any) in 5ed.
4e did move Evermeet to the Feywild, but in 5e, it's now returned (at least according to the SCAG), and has "anchors" in all 3 worlds (Arvandor, Feywild, and Toril).
Right, I'm fine with them adding some of the deities like Zin--forgetting the rest of her name lol (though I felt like they shoehorned the Raven Queen in), and as you said, there was no attempt at making the lore cohesive, not to mention what they did with the lore for Eilistraee and Vhaeraun, the history of Lolth and Corellon, elven souls being denied permanent residence in Arvandor (while elves have long believed in reincarnation, it wasn't something they were forced into) because of what the "primal elves" did, treating the drow as essentially soulless...just a hot mess, as you said.
The Souless Drow thing is a misunderstanding of what were trying to suggest. Really Drow don't really have Elvish souls like other Elves do in the book and so they just stay in Arvendor when they die if they worshipped the Seldarine, instead of reincarnating, just like none elven worshippers. Elistraea's Drow worshippers souls disappear, but it's unknown what happens to them.
Is that what they were implying? Drow souls stay in Arvandor? That isn't what the book implied, and even if that was the case, given the rest of the context of MToF, that makes little sense. Why would the drow, who sided with Lolth, get better treatment (ie, not forced reincarnation) than the elves? And the Eilistraeens in particular, who are actually good drow and thus deserve a good afterlife, disappear and go to an unknown place? Not only does that contradict established lore, but it makes little sense.
I'm all for drow not ending up in the Abyss, but the book really made it sound like they were basically soulless, with even the fate of Eilistraeens being unknown, and again, if it was indeed meant that they stay in Arvandor, that makes little sense, considering the whole treachery.
Perhaps it's meant to be the other way around? The Eilistraeens are the ones that stay in Arvandor, while the other Drow are the ones who's souls have the unknown fate?
(I haven't read any of the relevant source material, just this discussion.)
4e did move Evermeet to the Feywild, but in 5e, it's now returned (at least according to the SCAG), and has "anchors" in all 3 worlds (Arvandor, Feywild, and Toril).
Okay, MToF says something about elven captains being able to navigate through sea to get there but yeah, it largely says that it's neither here nor there.
Anyway I always liked the idea of Evermeet being something more than a piece of land given how hard it is to get there and how it is supposed to be the promised land for the elves. The idea that the elves wanted to bring a piece of Arvandor to Toril sits well with me even though I can't recall whether it's a new thing or has always been a part of lore.
What I would like them to do is say what freaking happened to Amlaruil Moonflower because "she is gone" is simply not enough and that's what 4th edition did. It's not like she was, along with Srinshee, the most powerful and influencial elf in FR but whatever...
4e did move Evermeet to the Feywild, but in 5e, it's now returned (at least according to the SCAG), and has "anchors" in all 3 worlds (Arvandor, Feywild, and Toril).
4e did move Evermeet to the Feywild, but in 5e, it's now returned (at least according to the SCAG), and has "anchors" in all 3 worlds (Arvandor, Feywild, and Toril).
Okay, MToF says something about elven captains being able to navigate through sea to get there but yeah, it largely says that it's neither here nor there.
Anyway I always liked the idea of Evermeet being something more than a piece of land given how hard it is to get there and how it is supposed to be the promised land for the elves. The idea that the elves wanted to bring a piece of Arvandor to Toril sits well with me even though I can't recall whether it's a new thing or has always been a part of lore.
What I would like them to do is say what freaking happened to Amlaruil Moonflower because "she is gone" is simply not enough and that's what 4th edition did. It's not like she was, along with Srinshee, the most powerful and influencial elf in FR but whatever...
I agree 100%. My pet theory is that she is became the FR version of the Raven Queen and she now Dwells in the Shadowfell reflection of Evermeet.
Right, I'm fine with them adding some of the deities like Zin--forgetting the rest of her name lol (though I felt like they shoehorned the Raven Queen in), and as you said, there was no attempt at making the lore cohesive, not to mention what they did with the lore for Eilistraee and Vhaeraun, the history of Lolth and Corellon, elven souls being denied permanent residence in Arvandor (while elves have long believed in reincarnation, it wasn't something they were forced into) because of what the "primal elves" did, treating the drow as essentially soulless...just a hot mess, as you said.
The Souless Drow thing is a misunderstanding of what were trying to suggest. Really Drow don't really have Elvish souls like other Elves do in the book and so they just stay in Arvendor when they die if they worshipped the Seldarine, instead of reincarnating, just like none elven worshippers. Elistraea's Drow worshippers souls disappear, but it's unknown what happens to them.
Is that what they were implying? Drow souls stay in Arvandor? That isn't what the book implied, and even if that was the case, given the rest of the context of MToF, that makes little sense. Why would the drow, who sided with Lolth, get better treatment (ie, not forced reincarnation) than the elves? And the Eilistraeens in particular, who are actually good drow and thus deserve a good afterlife, disappear and go to an unknown place? Not only does that contradict established lore, but it makes little sense.
I'm all for drow not ending up in the Abyss, but the book really made it sound like they were basically soulless, with even the fate of Eilistraeens being unknown, and again, if it was indeed meant that they stay in Arvandor, that makes little sense, considering the whole treachery.
Perhaps it's meant to be the other way around? The Eilistraeens are the ones that stay in Arvandor, while the other Drow are the ones who's souls have the unknown fate?
(I haven't read any of the relevant source material, just this discussion.)
No, we know what happens to other Drow souls, basically the same thing as human souls.
4e did move Evermeet to the Feywild, but in 5e, it's now returned (at least according to the SCAG), and has "anchors" in all 3 worlds (Arvandor, Feywild, and Toril).
Okay, MToF says something about elven captains being able to navigate through sea to get there but yeah, it largely says that it's neither here nor there.
Anyway I always liked the idea of Evermeet being something more than a piece of land given how hard it is to get there and how it is supposed to be the promised land for the elves. The idea that the elves wanted to bring a piece of Arvandor to Toril sits well with me even though I can't recall whether it's a new thing or has always been a part of lore.
What I would like them to do is say what freaking happened to Amlaruil Moonflower because "she is gone" is simply not enough and that's what 4th edition did. It's not like she was, along with Srinshee, the most powerful and influencial elf in FR but whatever...
Evermeet being a piece of Arvandor has been part of the lore for a long time (its creation caused the First Sundering)
Right, I'm fine with them adding some of the deities like Zin--forgetting the rest of her name lol (though I felt like they shoehorned the Raven Queen in), and as you said, there was no attempt at making the lore cohesive, not to mention what they did with the lore for Eilistraee and Vhaeraun, the history of Lolth and Corellon, elven souls being denied permanent residence in Arvandor (while elves have long believed in reincarnation, it wasn't something they were forced into) because of what the "primal elves" did, treating the drow as essentially soulless...just a hot mess, as you said.
The Souless Drow thing is a misunderstanding of what were trying to suggest. Really Drow don't really have Elvish souls like other Elves do in the book and so they just stay in Arvendor when they die if they worshipped the Seldarine, instead of reincarnating, just like none elven worshippers. Elistraea's Drow worshippers souls disappear, but it's unknown what happens to them.
Is that what they were implying? Drow souls stay in Arvandor? That isn't what the book implied, and even if that was the case, given the rest of the context of MToF, that makes little sense. Why would the drow, who sided with Lolth, get better treatment (ie, not forced reincarnation) than the elves? And the Eilistraeens in particular, who are actually good drow and thus deserve a good afterlife, disappear and go to an unknown place? Not only does that contradict established lore, but it makes little sense.
I'm all for drow not ending up in the Abyss, but the book really made it sound like they were basically soulless, with even the fate of Eilistraeens being unknown, and again, if it was indeed meant that they stay in Arvandor, that makes little sense, considering the whole treachery.
Perhaps it's meant to be the other way around? The Eilistraeens are the ones that stay in Arvandor, while the other Drow are the ones who's souls have the unknown fate?
(I haven't read any of the relevant source material, just this discussion.)
MToF says that basically that Eilistraeen souls go up in a beam of moonlight, but that their fate is unknown. For the rest of the drow, it doesn't even do that, just says they are denied Transcendence (something that happens to elves when they are ready to pass to Arvandor).
Right, I'm fine with them adding some of the deities like Zin--forgetting the rest of her name lol (though I felt like they shoehorned the Raven Queen in), and as you said, there was no attempt at making the lore cohesive, not to mention what they did with the lore for Eilistraee and Vhaeraun, the history of Lolth and Corellon, elven souls being denied permanent residence in Arvandor (while elves have long believed in reincarnation, it wasn't something they were forced into) because of what the "primal elves" did, treating the drow as essentially soulless...just a hot mess, as you said.
The Souless Drow thing is a misunderstanding of what were trying to suggest. Really Drow don't really have Elvish souls like other Elves do in the book and so they just stay in Arvendor when they die if they worshipped the Seldarine, instead of reincarnating, just like none elven worshippers. Elistraea's Drow worshippers souls disappear, but it's unknown what happens to them.
Is that what they were implying? Drow souls stay in Arvandor? That isn't what the book implied, and even if that was the case, given the rest of the context of MToF, that makes little sense. Why would the drow, who sided with Lolth, get better treatment (ie, not forced reincarnation) than the elves? And the Eilistraeens in particular, who are actually good drow and thus deserve a good afterlife, disappear and go to an unknown place? Not only does that contradict established lore, but it makes little sense.
I'm all for drow not ending up in the Abyss, but the book really made it sound like they were basically soulless, with even the fate of Eilistraeens being unknown, and again, if it was indeed meant that they stay in Arvandor, that makes little sense, considering the whole treachery.
Perhaps it's meant to be the other way around? The Eilistraeens are the ones that stay in Arvandor, while the other Drow are the ones who's souls have the unknown fate?
(I haven't read any of the relevant source material, just this discussion.)
No, we know what happens to other Drow souls, basically the same thing as human souls.
Where does it say this? MToF certainly doesn't supply the information, at least that I saw.
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Wasn't that the Spellplague doing though? I'd need to dust off 4th ed. campaign setting but AFAIR it moved into Feywild because of it and it's unclear how much of it returned (if any) in 5ed.
4e did move Evermeet to the Feywild, but in 5e, it's now returned (at least according to the SCAG), and has "anchors" in all 3 worlds (Arvandor, Feywild, and Toril).
Perhaps it's meant to be the other way around? The Eilistraeens are the ones that stay in Arvandor, while the other Drow are the ones who's souls have the unknown fate?
(I haven't read any of the relevant source material, just this discussion.)
Okay, MToF says something about elven captains being able to navigate through sea to get there but yeah, it largely says that it's neither here nor there.
Anyway I always liked the idea of Evermeet being something more than a piece of land given how hard it is to get there and how it is supposed to be the promised land for the elves. The idea that the elves wanted to bring a piece of Arvandor to Toril sits well with me even though I can't recall whether it's a new thing or has always been a part of lore.
What I would like them to do is say what freaking happened to Amlaruil Moonflower because "she is gone" is simply not enough and that's what 4th edition did. It's not like she was, along with Srinshee, the most powerful and influencial elf in FR but whatever...
M Time of Foes sort of retconned that.
I agree 100%. My pet theory is that she is became the FR version of the Raven Queen and she now Dwells in the Shadowfell reflection of Evermeet.
No, we know what happens to other Drow souls, basically the same thing as human souls.
Evermeet being a piece of Arvandor has been part of the lore for a long time (its creation caused the First Sundering)
MToF says that basically that Eilistraeen souls go up in a beam of moonlight, but that their fate is unknown. For the rest of the drow, it doesn't even do that, just says they are denied Transcendence (something that happens to elves when they are ready to pass to Arvandor).
Where does it say this? MToF certainly doesn't supply the information, at least that I saw.