I am not too familiar with Dragonlance, but since there are two dragon themed classes lately, I am going to assume it is Dragonlance too.
For what I wish for, I really want it to be Spelljammer and/or Planescape, preferably one book after the other. I am not too familiar with either setting either, but I think being able to travel across worlds would be amazing for high level endgame content.
Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
Yes. And neither are actually that close to really fitting into Dragonlance's themes, which revolved more around heroic low fantasy in a rather grim setting.
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As a person relatively new to D&D and with absolutely no connection to, reverence for, or even much understanding of "Dragonlance", and whose understanding of the things in question comes from basically this thread alone...
The idea of an anarchic kleptomaniacal species with "no concept of personal property" is an immediate red flag to my DM brain. That pretty much screams "terrible rogue memes" to me, and a player who comes to me all bright-eyed with a kender rogue, bard, or a kender anything with the Criminal background is getting a sit-down, a talking-to, and a very intense Fry Meming. That's the sort of thing that seems tailor-made to capital-letters Cause Problems at the table. I totally get people having a nostalgic enjoyment for the books and wanting a chance to play their nostalgia, but someone who says to me "My character comes from a species with no concept of personal property and no real understanding of law or government, and nothing you say will convince me to play anything else"?
I'm going to look at that someone and say "You get two strikes. I will allow your klepto-anarchist to Cause Problems at my table twice. Those two times, I will work to smooth things over, sooth ruffled feathers, and keep the game going. On the third strike? The third time you steal stuff from the other players or get the party thrown out of a key hub town or give everybody's stolen purses to a crime boss or whatever else, because you want to flip the bird finger at Societal Norms via the 'safe space' of my D&D game? I'm picking you up by the belt and throwing you off my roof. You are not only being thrown off my roof, but you are out of my game with absolutely no appeal, and the rest of the party gets to keep your stuff and decide how your klepto-anarchist dies."
If they can't abide by that rule? They don't get to play a character type explicitly designed to cause intra-party strife at my table.
Same for gully dwarves, and people wanting to turn them into bad hillbilly memes. Same for kenku - I ******* hate kenku for many of the same, and many other, reasons. Same for kobolds, actually - all the people who gave gnomes a bad name by turning every gnomish PC they could into a carnival clown with absolutely no appreciation for drama seem to've switched to kobolds as of late, and now I find myself Fry Meming the microlizards the same way a lot of folks Fry Meme gnomes. People who are unwilling to respect my time, the time of their fellow players, or the story we're all working to tell together can take their clownshoes fratboy comedy PC and shove it up their [PRE-REDACTED].
And I'm sorry, but certain species, certain archetypes, and certain set-ups are absolutely warning flags that somebody is about to waste my time with fratboy bullshit.
They could surprise us all and do something that no one ever guessed, like they did last year with Explorer's Guide to Wildemount and the year before with Acq. Inc., but I'm not sure what this book would be in that case.
WotC announced revisiting three classic settings this year, and given the comparatively low release frequency of 5E I don’t see them adding a 4th non-classic setting to the roster.
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Many people here say it's Ravenloft, but I'm fairly sure it's not. Every year for 2 years now, M:tG releases a set, with a fan-favorite plane, Ravnica and Theros, which both got D&D books, and now Innistrad is coming out. Innistrad steps on Ravenloft's toes a bit because they both have a similar tone and aesthetic. Also, I feel like they would release the book closer to Halloween, but they probably won't do that. While I like Innistrad better than Ravenloft, I would like a Ravenloft book better, but some signs are pointing otherwise.
As a person relatively new to D&D and with absolutely no connection to, reverence for, or even much understanding of "Dragonlance", and whose understanding of the things in question comes from basically this thread alone...
The idea of an anarchic kleptomaniacal species with "no concept of personal property" is an immediate red flag to my DM brain. That pretty much screams "terrible rogue memes" to me, and a player who comes to me all bright-eyed with a kender rogue, bard, or a kender anything with the Criminal background is getting a sit-down, a talking-to, and a very intense Fry Meming. That's the sort of thing that seems tailor-made to capital-letters Cause Problems at the table. I totally get people having a nostalgic enjoyment for the books and wanting a chance to play their nostalgia, but someone who says to me "My character comes from a species with no concept of personal property and no real understanding of law or government, and nothing you say will convince me to play anything else"?
I'm going to look at that someone and say "You get two strikes. I will allow your klepto-anarchist to Cause Problems at my table twice. Those two times, I will work to smooth things over, sooth ruffled feathers, and keep the game going. On the third strike? The third time you steal stuff from the other players or get the party thrown out of a key hub town or give everybody's stolen purses to a crime boss or whatever else, because you want to flip the bird finger at Societal Norms via the 'safe space' of my D&D game? I'm picking you up by the belt and throwing you off my roof. You are not only being thrown off my roof, but you are out of my game with absolutely no appeal, and the rest of the party gets to keep your stuff and decide how your klepto-anarchist dies."
If they can't abide by that rule? They don't get to play a character type explicitly designed to cause intra-party strife at my table.
Same for gully dwarves, and people wanting to turn them into bad hillbilly memes. Same for kenku - I ****ing hate kenku for many of the same, and many other, reasons. Same for kobolds, actually - all the people who gave gnomes a bad name by turning every gnomish PC they could into a carnival clown with absolutely no appreciation for drama seem to've switched to kobolds as of late, and now I find myself Fry Meming the microlizards the same way a lot of folks Fry Meme gnomes. People who are unwilling to respect my time, the time of their fellow players, or the story we're all working to tell together can take their clownshoes fratboy comedy PC and shove it up their [PRE-REDACTED].
And I'm sorry, but certain species, certain archetypes, and certain set-ups are absolutely warning flags that somebody is about to waste my time with fratboy bullshit.
Wait....what....you and I in complete agreement? The apocalypse is nigh. Player comes to my table with this garbage. Reply is a flat "no." No discussion, just "no."
Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
Hmm... That is a good point. I do not recall any archived UA that might point to the next setting, since I think TCOE gobbled up all the latest UA besides the dragon subclasses.
That said, I have only paid attention to UA that was featured on Beyond, so if there are other UA content on Wizards' site but not here, I would not be too familiar with it.
Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
Yes. And neither are actually that close to really fitting into Dragonlance's themes, which revolved more around heroic low fantasy in a rather grim setting.
Just out of pure curiosity since I am relatively new to D&D, is there a setting that the dragon subclasses point to? If not Dragonlance (which I assumed since it has dragon in the name), would it be Kara-Tur?
I'm almost certain that it will be Dragonlance based for 2 reasons.
1. it is one of the most iconic campaign settings.
2. the lawsuit about it was finally ended.
I'm almost certain that DL is coming out fairly soon, but going from ending the lawsuit to ready for preorder in three weeks seems unlikely (it's not impossible, but would require the book to have been basically finished before the lawsuit was resolved, and normally you suspend work on products that are in legal action).
Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
Yes. And neither are actually that close to really fitting into Dragonlance's themes, which revolved more around heroic low fantasy in a rather grim setting.
Just out of pure curiosity since I am relatively new to D&D, is there a setting that the dragon subclasses point to? If not Dragonlance (which I assumed since it has dragon in the name), would it be Kara-Tur?
Honestly, I'd consider them to be setting-agnostic. Dragonlance was not really a "heroes working with dragons" setting, it was more of a "heroes slaying dragons" setting- the name comes from its iconic magical item. During its most iconic time period, there was an order of knights who'd been dragon riders hundreds of years into the past but then all dragons had been forced to retreat from the world. Subclasses that fit into Dragonlance would actually be more ones that focused on non-magical abilities since the setting was fairly low magic (and low level).
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Many people here say it's Ravenloft, but I'm fairly sure it's not. Every year for 2 years now, M:tG releases a set, with a fan-favorite plane, Ravnica and Theros, which both got D&D books, and now Innistrad is coming out. Innistrad steps on Ravenloft's toes a bit because they both have a similar tone and aesthetic. Also, I feel like they would release the book closer to Halloween, but they probably won't do that. While I like Innistrad better than Ravenloft, I would like a Ravenloft book better, but some signs are pointing otherwise.
Ravnica came out in 2018 and Theros came out in 2020. That's not "every year for 2 years now". That's about 2 years apart. If they do this same gap again, the next M:tG setting can be expected in 2022.
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They could surprise us all and do something that no one ever guessed, like they did last year with Explorer's Guide to Wildemount and the year before with Acq. Inc., but I'm not sure what this book would be in that case.
WotC announced revisiting three classic settings this year, and given the comparatively low release frequency of 5E I don’t see them adding a 4th non-classic setting to the roster.
They didn't announce that they were publishing 3 classic settings this year, they just said they were working on 3 classic settings. Other books are still on the table.
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Many people here say it's Ravenloft, but I'm fairly sure it's not. Every year for 2 years now, M:tG releases a set, with a fan-favorite plane, Ravnica and Theros, which both got D&D books, and now Innistrad is coming out. Innistrad steps on Ravenloft's toes a bit because they both have a similar tone and aesthetic. Also, I feel like they would release the book closer to Halloween, but they probably won't do that. While I like Innistrad better than Ravenloft, I would like a Ravenloft book better, but some signs are pointing otherwise.
Ravnica came out in 2018 and Theros came out in 2020. That's not "every year for 2 years now". That's about 2 years apart. If they do this same gap again, the next M:tG setting can be expected in 2022.
Oh, it seems my math was off. That puts a Ravenloft book back on the table. I still feel as if the release would be a little closer to Halloween.
Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
Yes. And neither are actually that close to really fitting into Dragonlance's themes, which revolved more around heroic low fantasy in a rather grim setting.
Just out of pure curiosity since I am relatively new to D&D, is there a setting that the dragon subclasses point to? If not Dragonlance (which I assumed since it has dragon in the name), would it be Kara-Tur?
Honestly, I'd consider them to be setting-agnostic. Dragonlance was not really a "heroes working with dragons" setting, it was more of a "heroes slaying dragons" setting- the name comes from its iconic magical item. During its most iconic time period, there was an order of knights who'd been dragon riders hundreds of years into the past but then all dragons had been forced to retreat from the world. Subclasses that fit into Dragonlance would actually be more ones that focused on non-magical abilities since the setting was fairly low magic (and low level).
That is interesting. I guess that means the dragon subclasses right now would be the tip of the iceberg for potentially the next XGTE or TCOE.
Many people here say it's Ravenloft, but I'm fairly sure it's not. Every year for 2 years now, M:tG releases a set, with a fan-favorite plane, Ravnica and Theros, which both got D&D books, and now Innistrad is coming out. Innistrad steps on Ravenloft's toes a bit because they both have a similar tone and aesthetic. Also, I feel like they would release the book closer to Halloween, but they probably won't do that. While I like Innistrad better than Ravenloft, I would like a Ravenloft book better, but some signs are pointing otherwise.
Ravnica came out in 2018 and Theros came out in 2020. That's not "every year for 2 years now". That's about 2 years apart. If they do this same gap again, the next M:tG setting can be expected in 2022.
Oh, it seems my math was off. That puts a Ravenloft book back on the table. I still feel as if the release would be a little closer to Halloween.
Curse of Strahd was released in March.
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Many people here say it's Ravenloft, but I'm fairly sure it's not. Every year for 2 years now, M:tG releases a set, with a fan-favorite plane, Ravnica and Theros, which both got D&D books, and now Innistrad is coming out. Innistrad steps on Ravenloft's toes a bit because they both have a similar tone and aesthetic. Also, I feel like they would release the book closer to Halloween, but they probably won't do that. While I like Innistrad better than Ravenloft, I would like a Ravenloft book better, but some signs are pointing otherwise.
Ravnica came out in 2018 and Theros came out in 2020. That's not "every year for 2 years now". That's about 2 years apart. If they do this same gap again, the next M:tG setting can be expected in 2022.
Oh, it seems my math was off. That puts a Ravenloft book back on the table. I still feel as if the release would be a little closer to Halloween.
Curse of Strahd was released in March.
So I guess a Ravenloft sourcebook is fairly likely. I hope the Spirit Bard and Undead Warlock come out with it, along with some more Werebeast and Vampire stat blocks. They'll probably address the issues with Vistani, as well.
Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
No, they're not too new. The Feats UA from 2020 was released just over 4 months before Tasha's was published, and when this book is published, the Dragon Subclasses UA will be a bit over 4 moths old. Based on the status quo, it's not too early.
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I'm putting my money on another adventure book personally.
Those normally come out later in the year.
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I am not too familiar with Dragonlance, but since there are two dragon themed classes lately, I am going to assume it is Dragonlance too.
For what I wish for, I really want it to be Spelljammer and/or Planescape, preferably one book after the other. I am not too familiar with either setting either, but I think being able to travel across worlds would be amazing for high level endgame content.
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Spelljammer/Planescape would be great. Several people mentioned the dragon subclasses. Aren't the UAs too new for them to be in the next book?
Yes. And neither are actually that close to really fitting into Dragonlance's themes, which revolved more around heroic low fantasy in a rather grim setting.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
As a person relatively new to D&D and with absolutely no connection to, reverence for, or even much understanding of "Dragonlance", and whose understanding of the things in question comes from basically this thread alone...
The idea of an anarchic kleptomaniacal species with "no concept of personal property" is an immediate red flag to my DM brain. That pretty much screams "terrible rogue memes" to me, and a player who comes to me all bright-eyed with a kender rogue, bard, or a kender anything with the Criminal background is getting a sit-down, a talking-to, and a very intense Fry Meming. That's the sort of thing that seems tailor-made to capital-letters Cause Problems at the table. I totally get people having a nostalgic enjoyment for the books and wanting a chance to play their nostalgia, but someone who says to me "My character comes from a species with no concept of personal property and no real understanding of law or government, and nothing you say will convince me to play anything else"?
I'm going to look at that someone and say "You get two strikes. I will allow your klepto-anarchist to Cause Problems at my table twice. Those two times, I will work to smooth things over, sooth ruffled feathers, and keep the game going. On the third strike? The third time you steal stuff from the other players or get the party thrown out of a key hub town or give everybody's stolen purses to a crime boss or whatever else, because you want to flip the bird finger at Societal Norms via the 'safe space' of my D&D game? I'm picking you up by the belt and throwing you off my roof. You are not only being thrown off my roof, but you are out of my game with absolutely no appeal, and the rest of the party gets to keep your stuff and decide how your klepto-anarchist dies."
If they can't abide by that rule? They don't get to play a character type explicitly designed to cause intra-party strife at my table.
Same for gully dwarves, and people wanting to turn them into bad hillbilly memes. Same for kenku - I ******* hate kenku for many of the same, and many other, reasons. Same for kobolds, actually - all the people who gave gnomes a bad name by turning every gnomish PC they could into a carnival clown with absolutely no appreciation for drama seem to've switched to kobolds as of late, and now I find myself Fry Meming the microlizards the same way a lot of folks Fry Meme gnomes. People who are unwilling to respect my time, the time of their fellow players, or the story we're all working to tell together can take their clownshoes fratboy comedy PC and shove it up their [PRE-REDACTED].
And I'm sorry, but certain species, certain archetypes, and certain set-ups are absolutely warning flags that somebody is about to waste my time with fratboy bullshit.
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WotC announced revisiting three classic settings this year, and given the comparatively low release frequency of 5E I don’t see them adding a 4th non-classic setting to the roster.
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Many people here say it's Ravenloft, but I'm fairly sure it's not. Every year for 2 years now, M:tG releases a set, with a fan-favorite plane, Ravnica and Theros, which both got D&D books, and now Innistrad is coming out. Innistrad steps on Ravenloft's toes a bit because they both have a similar tone and aesthetic. Also, I feel like they would release the book closer to Halloween, but they probably won't do that. While I like Innistrad better than Ravenloft, I would like a Ravenloft book better, but some signs are pointing otherwise.
3. When the lawsuit was dropped, one of the plaintiffs said fans should be hearing some exciting news in a few weeks.
3.a. It'll be a few weeks on the 12th.
So my guess is either Dragonlance or another classic setting with Dragonlance and the third announced publicly as being in the production pipeline.
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Wait....what....you and I in complete agreement? The apocalypse is nigh. Player comes to my table with this garbage. Reply is a flat "no." No discussion, just "no."
Hmm... That is a good point. I do not recall any archived UA that might point to the next setting, since I think TCOE gobbled up all the latest UA besides the dragon subclasses.
That said, I have only paid attention to UA that was featured on Beyond, so if there are other UA content on Wizards' site but not here, I would not be too familiar with it.
Just out of pure curiosity since I am relatively new to D&D, is there a setting that the dragon subclasses point to? If not Dragonlance (which I assumed since it has dragon in the name), would it be Kara-Tur?
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I'm almost certain that DL is coming out fairly soon, but going from ending the lawsuit to ready for preorder in three weeks seems unlikely (it's not impossible, but would require the book to have been basically finished before the lawsuit was resolved, and normally you suspend work on products that are in legal action).
Honestly, I'd consider them to be setting-agnostic. Dragonlance was not really a "heroes working with dragons" setting, it was more of a "heroes slaying dragons" setting- the name comes from its iconic magical item. During its most iconic time period, there was an order of knights who'd been dragon riders hundreds of years into the past but then all dragons had been forced to retreat from the world. Subclasses that fit into Dragonlance would actually be more ones that focused on non-magical abilities since the setting was fairly low magic (and low level).
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Ravnica came out in 2018 and Theros came out in 2020. That's not "every year for 2 years now". That's about 2 years apart. If they do this same gap again, the next M:tG setting can be expected in 2022.
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They didn't announce that they were publishing 3 classic settings this year, they just said they were working on 3 classic settings. Other books are still on the table.
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Oh, it seems my math was off. That puts a Ravenloft book back on the table. I still feel as if the release would be a little closer to Halloween.
That is interesting. I guess that means the dragon subclasses right now would be the tip of the iceberg for potentially the next XGTE or TCOE.
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Curse of Strahd was released in March.
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So I guess a Ravenloft sourcebook is fairly likely. I hope the Spirit Bard and Undead Warlock come out with it, along with some more Werebeast and Vampire stat blocks. They'll probably address the issues with Vistani, as well.
No, they're not too new. The Feats UA from 2020 was released just over 4 months before Tasha's was published, and when this book is published, the Dragon Subclasses UA will be a bit over 4 moths old. Based on the status quo, it's not too early.
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