I'm also not familiar with the architecture of the system, but whichever would be the easiest and most cost effective way to do it, should have already been done. perhaps the entire site should be, for the time being, put on hold for new content, while something new is built from the ground up, that would be able to not only accommodate current users regardless the edition of the rules they use, but be able to be forward compatible with any future large scale changes that would affect the 2024 rules users. I've seen references to spaghetti code from the original development, and rebuilding the entire thing just might be the solution for all of it.
I don' t think putting the site on hold is the answer; that means everyone that has paid for and wants the rules updates they've purchased loses out instead and isn't any better than what everyone's complaining about currently. I do agree that they should've anticipated this being a problem for some because you can never please everyone BUT they're following their policy in updating the site to the latest rules so, at least from my perspective, this was always expected.
It sucks that so many are hurt by this update and I think my proposal is a quick, easy solution even if it's only a temporary one. I have no control over WotC or the DDB team, though, I can only offer my suggestions to help the situation.
Maybe I need to clarify what I meant by put on hold. I meant put on hold the addition of new content that would generate breakages for people using the 2014 rules. That would only apply of course, if they were to rebuild the whole thing better, without internal code that could otherwise break things for everybody. Sorry about that.
Right... So if they held on pushing the update, everyone that wants the update would not get the update and would, thus, be the ones throwing angry fits on the forums right now.
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Semantics. People who have negative opinions are generally more vocal about their displeasure than those who are okay with something.
Hello Community Manager with all due respect what are these supposedly negative opinions? Is the negative opinions those who oppose the change that is explained in the "clarification"?
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So glad DnD isn't like 40k. Imagine if this was a whole new edition instead of a minor balance update and you had a new edition every 3-4 years.
Thankfully, my group is just going to transition to the 2024 rules and spells. After a short session Re-Zero shouldn't be an issue.
Treantmonk's Temple on YouTube (linked below) has done a pretty good comparison of spell changes from 2014 to 2024. For those of you wanting to use the 2014 spells as homebrew his videos can guide you in the right direction. I think there is less then 10 (big guess) spells that you'd actually want to homebrew. Also, not hard to do it now. Literally just create the spell in homebrew as a copy now before the 2024 books take effect and you should be good to go.
I haven't seen Treantmonks videos, and come to think of it, they haven't been popping up in my suggested video feed lately. But I wanted to add that Ted from Nerd Immersion is compiling a list of all the spells being changed in the 2024 PHB, and he will likely, I expect, put that out once he is finished.
I'm also increasingly concerned about how this looks for onboarding new players. We don't know when this switch is going to happen, and currently all physical game materials (unsurprisingly) use 2014 base mechanics/spells/etc. More importantly, the currently-available Starter Set, which isn't all that old, uses 2014 rules and is actively being promoted and sold. If I remember correctly, it includes advertising for D&D Beyond. What are those new players going to think when they get here and the core feature promoted (character sheets) have different information from what they just learned. Maybe it's just me, but I get spectacularly frustrated and demoralized when I've put effort into learning something, especially from an authority (official material), only to be told that it's wrong (by the same authority, no less)! Unless we expect new players to dig into the upcoming 2024 SRD and/or a complex and expensive new rulebook, they're going to feel pretty alienated.
(Educators are in a similar boat, btw. All the material that teachers or librarians will be using at the start of the school year for clubs is going to be 2014 rules.)
It's just bewildering that this change is happening at all (without a toggle), but especially before 2024 physical material is widely available. Severe disconnect.
🍿🍿🍿👀 the loud Minority speaks over the silent majority every time.
So glad DnD isn't like 40k. Imagine if this was a whole new edition instead of a minor balance update and you had a new edition every 3-4 years.
Thankfully, my group is just going to transition to the 2024 rules and spells. After a short session Re-Zero shouldn't be an issue.
Treantmonk's Temple on YouTube (linked below) has done a pretty good comparison of spell changes from 2014 to 2024. For those of you wanting to use the 2014 spells as homebrew his videos can guide you in the right direction. I think there is less then 10 (big guess) spells that you'd actually want to homebrew. Also, not hard to do it now. Literally just create the spell in homebrew as a copy now before the 2024 books take effect and you should be good to go.
Yes, I'm very much looking forward to making the change to the 2024 ruleset. I pre-ordered the core set the day it became available, digital + physical bundle and expected the 2024 rules to be available for use as soon as the general release happened. I'm actually really happy it's happening with the early release on 9/3 since I'm a Master Tier subscriber. I'm an Adventurers League DM so my only real concern is how quickly the rules update will be AL-legal so I and my players can officially make the transition.
I'm sad to see so many people so angry that the site's being updated to the latest rules. I do think a DDB Classic would be an easy solution to keep everyone happy as best as possible.
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I've warned you all about this. How long until they go from "removing 2014 as default" to just flat-out removing the books altogether?
I, like many people here, am *mid-campaign*. I don't want or need to upgrade to 2024 just yet, and frankly I don't know if I will. This should be opt-in.
I'm also increasingly concerned about how this looks for onboarding new players. We don't know when this switch is going to happen, and currently all physical game materials (unsurprisingly) use 2014 base mechanics/spells/etc. More importantly, the currently-available Starter Set, which isn't all that old, uses 2014 rules and is actively being promoted and sold. If I remember correctly, it includes advertising for D&D Beyond. What are those new players going to think when they get here and the core feature promoted (character sheets) have different information from what they just learned. Maybe it's just me, but I get spectacularly frustrated and demoralized when I've put effort into learning something, especially from an authority (official material), only to be told that it's wrong (by the same authority, no less)! Unless we expect new players to dig into the upcoming 2024 SRD and/or a complex and expensive new rulebook, they're going to feel pretty alienated.
(Educators are in a similar boat, btw. All the material that teachers or librarians will be using at the start of the school year for clubs is going to be 2014 rules.)
It's just bewildering that this change is happening at all (without a toggle), but especially before 2024 physical material is widely available. Severe disconnect.
The change is going to occur on 9/3 with the early release of the 2024 update, per the original Changelog post.
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Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
This is outrageous. I spent extra money on top of the physical books specifically for the character sheet functionality. I went out of my way to pay for your books twice and now you're removing the main thing that I was paying for.
You seem really determined to burn all of your good will with this new edition. You won't be getting any more of my money.
I'm also not familiar with the architecture of the system, but whichever would be the easiest and most cost effective way to do it, should have already been done. perhaps the entire site should be, for the time being, put on hold for new content, while something new is built from the ground up, that would be able to not only accommodate current users regardless the edition of the rules they use, but be able to be forward compatible with any future large scale changes that would affect the 2024 rules users. I've seen references to spaghetti code from the original development, and rebuilding the entire thing just might be the solution for all of it.
I don' t think putting the site on hold is the answer; that means everyone that has paid for and wants the rules updates they've purchased loses out instead and isn't any better than what everyone's complaining about currently. I do agree that they should've anticipated this being a problem for some because you can never please everyone BUT they're following their policy in updating the site to the latest rules so, at least from my perspective, this was always expected.
It sucks that so many are hurt by this update and I think my proposal is a quick, easy solution even if it's only a temporary one. I have no control over WotC or the DDB team, though, I can only offer my suggestions to help the situation.
Maybe I need to clarify what I meant by put on hold. I meant put on hold the addition of new content that would generate breakages for people using the 2014 rules. That would only apply of course, if they were to rebuild the whole thing better, without internal code that could otherwise break things for everybody. Sorry about that.
Right... So if they held on pushing the update, everyone that wants the update would not get the update and would, thus, be the ones throwing angry fits on the forums right now.
I don't think it's either or here.
The website already has a system for publishing new spells under an "Opt in" toggle. It's what we use when 3rd parties are added.
If we just had the original 5e spells added back through that function and the default set to the new edition then neither player group would have a reason to complain. Given the existence of the legacy system for races and feats I can't imagine I was alone in thinking that's what they were going to do.
I'm also not familiar with the architecture of the system, but whichever would be the easiest and most cost effective way to do it, should have already been done. perhaps the entire site should be, for the time being, put on hold for new content, while something new is built from the ground up, that would be able to not only accommodate current users regardless the edition of the rules they use, but be able to be forward compatible with any future large scale changes that would affect the 2024 rules users. I've seen references to spaghetti code from the original development, and rebuilding the entire thing just might be the solution for all of it.
I don' t think putting the site on hold is the answer; that means everyone that has paid for and wants the rules updates they've purchased loses out instead and isn't any better than what everyone's complaining about currently. I do agree that they should've anticipated this being a problem for some because you can never please everyone BUT they're following their policy in updating the site to the latest rules so, at least from my perspective, this was always expected.
It sucks that so many are hurt by this update and I think my proposal is a quick, easy solution even if it's only a temporary one. I have no control over WotC or the DDB team, though, I can only offer my suggestions to help the situation.
Maybe I need to clarify what I meant by put on hold. I meant put on hold the addition of new content that would generate breakages for people using the 2014 rules. That would only apply of course, if they were to rebuild the whole thing better, without internal code that could otherwise break things for everybody. Sorry about that.
Right... So if they held on pushing the update, everyone that wants the update would not get the update and would, thus, be the ones throwing angry fits on the forums right now.
And I see I need FURTHER clarification, though I think it's more a you thing and not a me thing, in the understanding department.
I NEVER said pause DDB as it currently operates, meaning so that nobody could use it in the interim. What I do know about software development is that new versions can be developed offline at the same time the original operational piece of software is running. Windows is a perfect example literally everybody should understand. Your PC doesn't just stop working because they are working on the next version. Development of a new version of DDB, one free of the spaghetti code I have seen mentioned many times here and elsewhere, COULD definitely happen, should Hasbro/WotC determine it is worth money. Not time, because we all know money is their driving motivation. As far as holding off pushing the 2024 rules update, that might not be a bad thing, if they decide to listen to their customers, and add those 100+ spells and the magic items that are planned to be left off, to Legacy status. but I hadn't considered that until you brought it up.
To be honest, they should have seen this coming. They should have taken the time to implement it so that nobody was angry. But they didn't.
🍿🍿🍿👀 the loud Minority speaks over the silent majority every time.
So glad DnD isn't like 40k. Imagine if this was a whole new edition instead of a minor balance update and you had a new edition every 3-4 years.
Thankfully, my group is just going to transition to the 2024 rules and spells. After a short session Re-Zero shouldn't be an issue.
Treantmonk's Temple on YouTube (linked below) has done a pretty good comparison of spell changes from 2014 to 2024. For those of you wanting to use the 2014 spells as homebrew his videos can guide you in the right direction. I think there is less then 10 (big guess) spells that you'd actually want to homebrew. Also, not hard to do it now. Literally just create the spell in homebrew as a copy now before the 2024 books take effect and you should be good to go.
Yes, I'm very much looking forward to making the change to the 2024 ruleset. I pre-ordered the core set the day it became available, digital + physical bundle and expected the 2024 rules to be available for use as soon as the general release happened. I'm actually really happy it's happening with the early release on 9/3 since I'm a Master Tier subscriber. I'm an Adventurers League DM so my only real concern is how quickly the rules update will be AL-legal so I and my players can officially make the transition.
I'm sad to see so many people so angry that the site's being updated to the latest rules. I do think a DDB Classic would be an easy solution to keep everyone happy as best as possible.
I feel you. I do understand that some have concerns and those are valid, but it'll be OK. It's like Y2K all over again lol.
I'm also not familiar with the architecture of the system, but whichever would be the easiest and most cost effective way to do it, should have already been done. perhaps the entire site should be, for the time being, put on hold for new content, while something new is built from the ground up, that would be able to not only accommodate current users regardless the edition of the rules they use, but be able to be forward compatible with any future large scale changes that would affect the 2024 rules users. I've seen references to spaghetti code from the original development, and rebuilding the entire thing just might be the solution for all of it.
I don' t think putting the site on hold is the answer; that means everyone that has paid for and wants the rules updates they've purchased loses out instead and isn't any better than what everyone's complaining about currently. I do agree that they should've anticipated this being a problem for some because you can never please everyone BUT they're following their policy in updating the site to the latest rules so, at least from my perspective, this was always expected.
It sucks that so many are hurt by this update and I think my proposal is a quick, easy solution even if it's only a temporary one. I have no control over WotC or the DDB team, though, I can only offer my suggestions to help the situation.
Maybe I need to clarify what I meant by put on hold. I meant put on hold the addition of new content that would generate breakages for people using the 2014 rules. That would only apply of course, if they were to rebuild the whole thing better, without internal code that could otherwise break things for everybody. Sorry about that.
Right... So if they held on pushing the update, everyone that wants the update would not get the update and would, thus, be the ones throwing angry fits on the forums right now.
I don't think it's either or here.
The website already has a system for publishing new spells under an "Opt in" toggle. It's what we use when 3rd parties are added.
If we just had the original 5e spells added back through that function and the default set to the new edition then neither player group would have a reason to complain. Given the existence of the legacy system for races and feats I can't imagine I was alone in thinking that's what they were going to do.
I think if it was that simple they'd already do it. I don't know how their system was architected but they're hiring a manager to oversee a complete rebuild so I'm assuming it's not as versatile as they would like it to be and, thus, this toggle everyone keeps asking for is harder than it seems.
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"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
I was under the impression the change was when the PHB 2024 releases.
The change on DDB will be September 3rd, whether you have a physical copy of the book or not. I don't recall seeing it mentioned in the changelog, but I assume (bold of me, I know) that the new SRD will be available at that time.
I was under the impression the change was when the PHB 2024 releases.
The change on DDB will be September 3rd, whether you have a physical copy of the book or not. I don't recall seeing it mentioned in the changelog, but I assume (bold of me, I know) that the new SRD will be available at that time.
I'm also not familiar with the architecture of the system, but whichever would be the easiest and most cost effective way to do it, should have already been done. perhaps the entire site should be, for the time being, put on hold for new content, while something new is built from the ground up, that would be able to not only accommodate current users regardless the edition of the rules they use, but be able to be forward compatible with any future large scale changes that would affect the 2024 rules users. I've seen references to spaghetti code from the original development, and rebuilding the entire thing just might be the solution for all of it.
I don' t think putting the site on hold is the answer; that means everyone that has paid for and wants the rules updates they've purchased loses out instead and isn't any better than what everyone's complaining about currently. I do agree that they should've anticipated this being a problem for some because you can never please everyone BUT they're following their policy in updating the site to the latest rules so, at least from my perspective, this was always expected.
It sucks that so many are hurt by this update and I think my proposal is a quick, easy solution even if it's only a temporary one. I have no control over WotC or the DDB team, though, I can only offer my suggestions to help the situation.
Maybe I need to clarify what I meant by put on hold. I meant put on hold the addition of new content that would generate breakages for people using the 2014 rules. That would only apply of course, if they were to rebuild the whole thing better, without internal code that could otherwise break things for everybody. Sorry about that.
Right... So if they held on pushing the update, everyone that wants the update would not get the update and would, thus, be the ones throwing angry fits on the forums right now.
I don't think it's either or here.
The website already has a system for publishing new spells under an "Opt in" toggle. It's what we use when 3rd parties are added.
If we just had the original 5e spells added back through that function and the default set to the new edition then neither player group would have a reason to complain. Given the existence of the legacy system for races and feats I can't imagine I was alone in thinking that's what they were going to do.
I think if it was that simple they'd already do it. I don't know how their system was architected but they're hiring a manager to oversee a complete rebuild so I'm assuming it's not as versatile as they would like it to be and, thus, this toggle everyone keeps asking for is harder than it seems.
having past experience with online games that still have problems with spaghetti code, I can understand why they may be encountering issues. Glad to hear that a complete rebuild is being considered at the least. And like I said, all of that can be done offline, so as not to impact current users, however, if they can't fix the legacy spells and magic items issue prior to that, the damage may be too great.
I'm also not familiar with the architecture of the system, but whichever would be the easiest and most cost effective way to do it, should have already been done. perhaps the entire site should be, for the time being, put on hold for new content, while something new is built from the ground up, that would be able to not only accommodate current users regardless the edition of the rules they use, but be able to be forward compatible with any future large scale changes that would affect the 2024 rules users. I've seen references to spaghetti code from the original development, and rebuilding the entire thing just might be the solution for all of it.
I don' t think putting the site on hold is the answer; that means everyone that has paid for and wants the rules updates they've purchased loses out instead and isn't any better than what everyone's complaining about currently. I do agree that they should've anticipated this being a problem for some because you can never please everyone BUT they're following their policy in updating the site to the latest rules so, at least from my perspective, this was always expected.
It sucks that so many are hurt by this update and I think my proposal is a quick, easy solution even if it's only a temporary one. I have no control over WotC or the DDB team, though, I can only offer my suggestions to help the situation.
Maybe I need to clarify what I meant by put on hold. I meant put on hold the addition of new content that would generate breakages for people using the 2014 rules. That would only apply of course, if they were to rebuild the whole thing better, without internal code that could otherwise break things for everybody. Sorry about that.
Right... So if they held on pushing the update, everyone that wants the update would not get the update and would, thus, be the ones throwing angry fits on the forums right now.
I don't think it's either or here.
The website already has a system for publishing new spells under an "Opt in" toggle. It's what we use when 3rd parties are added.
If we just had the original 5e spells added back through that function and the default set to the new edition then neither player group would have a reason to complain. Given the existence of the legacy system for races and feats I can't imagine I was alone in thinking that's what they were going to do.
I think if it was that simple they'd already do it. I don't know how their system was architected but they're hiring a manager to oversee a complete rebuild so I'm assuming it's not as versatile as they would like it to be and, thus, this toggle everyone keeps asking for is harder than it seems.
But... they've literally already done things this way when they add partnered content?
Like presumably the same resources that were spent to create that system the first time could be done again given this is a feature free websites manage. This website has active subscriptions.
I'm also not familiar with the architecture of the system, but whichever would be the easiest and most cost effective way to do it, should have already been done. perhaps the entire site should be, for the time being, put on hold for new content, while something new is built from the ground up, that would be able to not only accommodate current users regardless the edition of the rules they use, but be able to be forward compatible with any future large scale changes that would affect the 2024 rules users. I've seen references to spaghetti code from the original development, and rebuilding the entire thing just might be the solution for all of it.
I don' t think putting the site on hold is the answer; that means everyone that has paid for and wants the rules updates they've purchased loses out instead and isn't any better than what everyone's complaining about currently. I do agree that they should've anticipated this being a problem for some because you can never please everyone BUT they're following their policy in updating the site to the latest rules so, at least from my perspective, this was always expected.
It sucks that so many are hurt by this update and I think my proposal is a quick, easy solution even if it's only a temporary one. I have no control over WotC or the DDB team, though, I can only offer my suggestions to help the situation.
Maybe I need to clarify what I meant by put on hold. I meant put on hold the addition of new content that would generate breakages for people using the 2014 rules. That would only apply of course, if they were to rebuild the whole thing better, without internal code that could otherwise break things for everybody. Sorry about that.
Right... So if they held on pushing the update, everyone that wants the update would not get the update and would, thus, be the ones throwing angry fits on the forums right now.
And I see I need FURTHER clarification, though I think it's more a you thing and not a me thing, in the understanding department.
I NEVER said pause DDB as it currently operates, meaning so that nobody could use it in the interim. What I do know about software development is that new versions can be developed offline at the same time the original operational piece of software is running. Windows is a perfect example literally everybody should understand. Your PC doesn't just stop working because they are working on the next version. Development of a new version of DDB, one free of the spaghetti code I have seen mentioned many times here and elsewhere, COULD definitely happen, should Hasbro/WotC determine it is worth money. Not time, because we all know money is their driving motivation. As far as holding off pushing the 2024 rules update, that might not be a bad thing, if they decide to listen to their customers, and add those 100+ spells and the magic items that are planned to be left off, to Legacy status. but I hadn't considered that until you brought it up.
To be honest, they should have seen this coming. They should have taken the time to implement it so that nobody was angry. But they didn't.
I understand your statements. I don't think preventing the people who have paid for and expect the update when it is scheduled to release (like me) from getting the update is any better than preventing the people that don't want the 2024 update from using the old rules in the ways the expect.
And, yes, they should've seen it coming because, how silly of them to assume that everyone would just use the latest version of the rules on their official toolset. That's why I offered the DDB Classic option as a quick and easy means of giving EVERYONE what they want. :)
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Right... So if they held on pushing the update, everyone that wants the update would not get the update and would, thus, be the ones throwing angry fits on the forums right now.
Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
Hello Community Manager with all due respect what are these supposedly negative opinions?
Is the negative opinions those who oppose the change that is explained in the "clarification"?
I haven't seen Treantmonks videos, and come to think of it, they haven't been popping up in my suggested video feed lately. But I wanted to add that Ted from Nerd Immersion is compiling a list of all the spells being changed in the 2024 PHB, and he will likely, I expect, put that out once he is finished.
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Yea I just saw his post too. He's a good dude.
I'm also increasingly concerned about how this looks for onboarding new players. We don't know when this switch is going to happen, and currently all physical game materials (unsurprisingly) use 2014 base mechanics/spells/etc. More importantly, the currently-available Starter Set, which isn't all that old, uses 2014 rules and is actively being promoted and sold. If I remember correctly, it includes advertising for D&D Beyond. What are those new players going to think when they get here and the core feature promoted (character sheets) have different information from what they just learned. Maybe it's just me, but I get spectacularly frustrated and demoralized when I've put effort into learning something, especially from an authority (official material), only to be told that it's wrong (by the same authority, no less)! Unless we expect new players to dig into the upcoming 2024 SRD and/or a complex and expensive new rulebook, they're going to feel pretty alienated.
(Educators are in a similar boat, btw. All the material that teachers or librarians will be using at the start of the school year for clubs is going to be 2014 rules.)
It's just bewildering that this change is happening at all (without a toggle), but especially before 2024 physical material is widely available. Severe disconnect.
Yes, I'm very much looking forward to making the change to the 2024 ruleset. I pre-ordered the core set the day it became available, digital + physical bundle and expected the 2024 rules to be available for use as soon as the general release happened. I'm actually really happy it's happening with the early release on 9/3 since I'm a Master Tier subscriber. I'm an Adventurers League DM so my only real concern is how quickly the rules update will be AL-legal so I and my players can officially make the transition.
I'm sad to see so many people so angry that the site's being updated to the latest rules. I do think a DDB Classic would be an easy solution to keep everyone happy as best as possible.
Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
You will rent everything and own nothing.
I've warned you all about this. How long until they go from "removing 2014 as default" to just flat-out removing the books altogether?
I, like many people here, am *mid-campaign*. I don't want or need to upgrade to 2024 just yet, and frankly I don't know if I will. This should be opt-in.
The change is going to occur on 9/3 with the early release of the 2024 update, per the original Changelog post.
Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
This is outrageous. I spent extra money on top of the physical books specifically for the character sheet functionality. I went out of my way to pay for your books twice and now you're removing the main thing that I was paying for.
You seem really determined to burn all of your good will with this new edition. You won't be getting any more of my money.
I don't think it's either or here.
The website already has a system for publishing new spells under an "Opt in" toggle. It's what we use when 3rd parties are added.
If we just had the original 5e spells added back through that function and the default set to the new edition then neither player group would have a reason to complain. Given the existence of the legacy system for races and feats I can't imagine I was alone in thinking that's what they were going to do.
I was under the impression the change was when the PHB 2024 releases.
And I see I need FURTHER clarification, though I think it's more a you thing and not a me thing, in the understanding department.
I NEVER said pause DDB as it currently operates, meaning so that nobody could use it in the interim. What I do know about software development is that new versions can be developed offline at the same time the original operational piece of software is running. Windows is a perfect example literally everybody should understand. Your PC doesn't just stop working because they are working on the next version. Development of a new version of DDB, one free of the spaghetti code I have seen mentioned many times here and elsewhere, COULD definitely happen, should Hasbro/WotC determine it is worth money. Not time, because we all know money is their driving motivation. As far as holding off pushing the 2024 rules update, that might not be a bad thing, if they decide to listen to their customers, and add those 100+ spells and the magic items that are planned to be left off, to Legacy status. but I hadn't considered that until you brought it up.
To be honest, they should have seen this coming. They should have taken the time to implement it so that nobody was angry. But they didn't.
I feel you. I do understand that some have concerns and those are valid, but it'll be OK. It's like Y2K all over again lol.
I think if it was that simple they'd already do it. I don't know how their system was architected but they're hiring a manager to oversee a complete rebuild so I'm assuming it's not as versatile as they would like it to be and, thus, this toggle everyone keeps asking for is harder than it seems.
Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
The change on DDB will be September 3rd, whether you have a physical copy of the book or not. I don't recall seeing it mentioned in the changelog, but I assume (bold of me, I know) that the new SRD will be available at that time.
Ah OK. Cool thanks brother.
having past experience with online games that still have problems with spaghetti code, I can understand why they may be encountering issues. Glad to hear that a complete rebuild is being considered at the least. And like I said, all of that can be done offline, so as not to impact current users, however, if they can't fix the legacy spells and magic items issue prior to that, the damage may be too great.
But... they've literally already done things this way when they add partnered content?
Like presumably the same resources that were spent to create that system the first time could be done again given this is a feature free websites manage. This website has active subscriptions.
I understand your statements. I don't think preventing the people who have paid for and expect the update when it is scheduled to release (like me) from getting the update is any better than preventing the people that don't want the 2024 update from using the old rules in the ways the expect.
And, yes, they should've seen it coming because, how silly of them to assume that everyone would just use the latest version of the rules on their official toolset. That's why I offered the DDB Classic option as a quick and easy means of giving EVERYONE what they want. :)
Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous