It seems much of the community is outraged by the published changelog for D&D Beyond regarding the implementation of the 2024 rules update.

I do not purport to know the architecture of the system or the costs associated with hosting it but I wanted to share a somewhat simple (to my mind) solution:

Host the current 2014 ruleset with all the currently existing content on a DDB Classic website. Give those who, for whatever reason, are against the rules updates the opportunity to move their purchases and subscriptions to the DDB Classic site, and then carry on with the updates to DDB and continue adding new content as it comes out. Perhaps down the road offer the ability to migrate to DDB from DDB Classic so those who want to update but "just not yet" have the ability to do so in due time.

Thanks in advance for your consideration and best wishes.

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The community team thanks you all very much for sharing your opinions and feedback. We are continuing to collect that and pass it along.

 While I'm extremely disappointed with the way the transition to the 2024 rules is being handled, I wish to note my appreciation for your posts here  and for having to deal with a large part of the community that is ill-disposed towards WotC at the moment, while maintaining courtesy and composure. Thanks!

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I don't think it's fair to call the guy a troll. He's just trying to defend his position when everyone's coming for him. That being said, he's already said if people stop tagging him he'd stop commenting so "not feeding" the guy is the obvious answer.

 The problem is, a lot of people weren't coming for him, and yet he persists. I'm perfectly fine with him not being affected by the change, and I said so. I'm also not necessarily upset by the 2024 changes (edit: to the rules in general) at all, change can be good. And he can just as easily choose not to respond, it does go both ways. 

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It seems much of the community is outraged by the published changelog for D&D Beyond regarding the implementation of the 2024 rules update.

I do not purport to know the architecture of the system or the costs associated with hosting it but I wanted to share a somewhat simple (to my mind) solution:

Host the current 2014 ruleset with all the currently existing content on a DDB Classic website. Give those who, for whatever reason, are against the rules updates the opportunity to move their purchases and subscriptions to the DDB Classic site, and then carry on with the updates to DDB and continue adding new content as it comes out. Perhaps down the road offer the ability to migrate to DDB from DDB Classic so those who want to update but "just not yet" have the ability to do so in due time.

Thanks in advance for your consideration and best wishes.

 I'm also not familiar with the architecture of the system, but whichever would be the easiest and most cost effective way to do it, should have already been done. perhaps the entire site should be, for the time being, put on hold for new content, while something new is built from the ground up, that would be able to not only accommodate current users regardless the edition of the rules they use, but be able to be forward compatible with any future large scale changes that would affect the 2024 rules users. I've seen references to spaghetti code from the original development, and rebuilding the entire thing just might be the solution for all of it.

"Some people are okay with these changes, and some are not"

Let me correct that for you...

"A very, very, very small percentage of people are okay with these changes, while the overwhelmingly vast majority of people are not"

The problem is you're FORCING us to use these new rules. The new rules themselves aren't good, and the campaign my party has been playing in for the last year and half are using the 2014 rules. Make it OPTIONAL. My party Paladin does not want to be nerfed into the ground. Make it optional. It just seems like you guys are trying to go out of your way to piss off your supporters. Unreal.

I've been running my current campaign for about 2 1/2 years. 5e + Homebrew. We use Dndbeyond because it is useful. I bought the books here because they were useful. I have a master tier subscription because dndbeyond is useful to me and my campaign.

If I understand these changes correctly they will **** up my game and the website will stop being useful to me. I am sorry, but I might have to migrate my stuff somewhere else. 

can't you just *not* auto-update our character sheets? that would be sick fr.

in terms of people adopting the new not edition ild say initial adopters will likely be low, many will want to wait for campaigns to conclude to start fresh with the new material, some may want to wait for more books to be released , some may never make the jump  atall and all of that is valid, its just a case of preferences.

The only reason theres an issue here is because a currently offered functionality is being cut for no obvious reason aside from forcing the issue to make people jump to the new thing.

2014 players are very easy to keep happy just dont break the thing you have already made.

Can you provide the source of your data?

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I think a better analogy would be WotC handing us a shit pie. when we got upset about the pie, they handed everyone a side of peanuts. You like the peanuts, good for you. However for those of us who have problems with peanuts, it doesn't improve the situation.

 It is not a better analogy because yours deals with like/not like/preferences/and feelings. All of which are beyond the bounds of any of my discussions here. Don’t like it all you want.

Please read my posts for what they are.

 Please stop arguing just to continue to see your name appear in the comments. You aren't adding anything to the conversation other than continual confrontation. Just accept that people are not happy with this, that you are, and you won't be affected. But it does affect lots of other people. How is that so hard for you to understand?

 This does nothing to address my post. I have been very clear on my position and others, yourself included, continue to invite me back to the conversation. If you don’t want me here, the least you can do is stop tagging me. 

I am free to post my opinions here too though. This is not just a soundboard for rage. I have added to the conversation. It just is not a contribution that you value, which you are free to not approve of. If I wanted approval, I would be bullying, which seems to be very popular here. 

My statement is only that the changes have cleared up a lot of confusion and put to bed a lot of anger, disappointment, and anxiety for some. Others don’t feel that way and that is completely valid too. I am not disputing or challenging the validity of feelings. I am disputing claims of fact that, in my observation, are incorrect. 

 Dude, I accept that YOU are fine with the changes and that they won't affect you. I'm happy for you, truly. But you continue on and on dismissive of the FACT not opinion, that these changes negatively impact hundreds if not thousands of other players, and thus are not in fact good. A good change would be to update to the 2024 edition as planned, and have all of the changed spells and items flagged as Legacy, so that people that have not or choose not to use the 2024 edition rules can do so without interruption. That WOULD be in fact good. Can that be explained to you any better? Can you understand and accept that your thoughts on this are not the only acceptable ones?

 I too accept that you are not happy with the changes, but here lies the problem: you have not identified how I feel about the changes because how I feel doesn’t matter to you and you have never asked… or read my posts where I stated how I feel. 

The impact is being dismissed by me because it was never part of my argument. Impact or disruption to players os beyond the scope of my argument, which you would know if you were really trying to understand my position here. Good, not good, bad, terrible… these are all things that are separate from anything I have discussed. 

I have repeatedly stated that yours and many others feelings are valid and acceptable. In fact, the very post you are responding to here states that. Did you read it?

 "The impact is being dismissed by me because it was never part of my argument." I think you showed up to the wrong party mate.
We are trying to tell WotC about the IMPACT their choice is having on players, and the choices they have made the DISRUPTIONS worse. We are here to discuss the the IMPACT. This is an impact party. Say "yeah but free stuff" when we are trying to discuss THE IMPACT, that we are mad at the IMPACT, is peak missing the point.
What I have understood, from having read this post and then gone back and reread your previous post is they are giving us free stuff and that is the only thing worth focusing on.

The rest of us are going to keep taking about how the choices by WotC affects us because that is what we care about. We are taking about the IMPACT.

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 I'm also not familiar with the architecture of the system, but whichever would be the easiest and most cost effective way to do it, should have already been done. perhaps the entire site should be, for the time being, put on hold for new content, while something new is built from the ground up, that would be able to not only accommodate current users regardless the edition of the rules they use, but be able to be forward compatible with any future large scale changes that would affect the 2024 rules users. I've seen references to spaghetti code from the original development, and rebuilding the entire thing just might be the solution for all of it.

I don' t think putting the site on hold is the answer; that means everyone that has paid for and wants the rules updates they've purchased loses out instead and isn't any better than what everyone's complaining about currently. I do agree that they should've anticipated this being a problem for some because you can never please everyone BUT they're following their policy in updating the site to the latest rules so, at least from my perspective, this was always expected.

It sucks that so many are hurt by this update and I think my proposal is a quick, easy solution even if it's only a temporary one. I have no control over WotC or the DDB team, though, I can only offer my suggestions to help the situation.

I personally think turning an entire discussion thread into your personal battleground should be against the rules, but oh well.

Based on the many, many replies in this and other related threads it should be kinda clear that the reception of this change is overwhelmingly negative. You might also want to check out the biggest subreddits regarding their feedback.

There are also legal repercussions possible in some countries because you take away the right to use a purchased product (I purchased the option to create characters with the 2014 books). There is obviously a chance DnD is too niche for something like the EU to care but do you really want to find out?

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"Some people are okay with these changes, and some are not"

Let me correct that for you...

"A very, very, very small percentage of people are okay with these changes, while the overwhelmingly vast majority of people are not"

 Semantics. People who have negative opinions are generally more vocal about their displeasure than those who are okay with something. Those who are okay with something, as I'm seeing here, are quick to be called 'shills', 'sheep', or any other negative moniker.

 Are there any plans to put this to a vote, or to otherwise establish a statistical evaluation of the opinions of the community on this upcoming change?

Because if there isn't, then what you've got are at least two posts on the subject, both of which have overwhelmingly negative responses on them. It feels pretty unfairly dismissive to write that off as a vocal minority acting out. I, for one, feel entirely betrayed by your company, having been a loyal customer for five years. If my opinions in these comments are not statistically significant, point me and people like me in the direction of somewhere that we can adequately convey our displeasure. 

People who have negative opinions are generally more vocal about their displeasure than those who are okay with something.

This is the classic red flag of an org that is trying desperately to ignore user feedback and make it fit their internal narrative. It's not the company that made a mistake, it's just a vocal minority of users, nothing to see here.

Forcing your audience to adopt a change they do not want, without giving them a choice, is going to give you a mostly negative response. I have seen literally *one* comment that supported the changes. The rest are vehemently opposed, and for good reason. Y'all are actively screwing over people who paid (in some cases) hundreds of dollars to use this site and its functionalities. What were you expecting? You ruined Paladin- every single Paladin player I know *abhors* these changes. Every server I've ever been apart of has been ignoring ONE DnD like its the ugly step child, and now you're forcing people to use it. Like really, what were you expecting?

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 Semantics. People who have negative opinions are generally more vocal about their displeasure than those who are okay with something. Those who are okay with something, as I'm seeing here, are quick to be called 'shills', 'sheep', or any other negative moniker.

While there's some truth that, it would be very easy to keep both groups satisfied by keeping your current database alongside your new database, and allowing your app to choose the database for each character; a simple selection between the old and the new rules. All current characters would default to the old rules; new characters could default to the new rules. Why would you choose not to implement such an easy way to keep (almost?) everyone happy?

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People who have negative opinions are generally more vocal about their displeasure than those who are okay with something.

 

This is the classic red flag of an org that is trying desperately to ignore user feedback and make it fit their internal narrative. It's not the company that made a mistake, it's just a vocal minority of users, nothing to see here.

Hear hear!

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 "The impact is being dismissed by me because it was never part of my argument." I think you showed up to the wrong party mate.
We are trying to tell WotC about the IMPACT their choice is having on players, and the choices they have made the DISRUPTIONS worse. We are here to discuss the the IMPACT. This is an impact party. Say "yeah but free stuff" when we are trying to discuss THE IMPACT, that we are mad at the IMPACT, is peak missing the point.
What I have understood, from having read this post and then gone back and reread your previous post is they are giving us free stuff and that is the only thing worth focusing on.

The rest of us are going to keep taking about how the choices by WotC affects us because that is what we care about. We are taking about the IMPACT.

 What has happened, is that people are having a party and trying to get me to play the beer pong. I don't drink.

I addressed a single post in this entire thread on page one to discuss a specific topic. Every single other post I have made here has been in response to people replying me, engaging me, inviting a discussion. A conversation goes both ways and my opinion is just as valid as yours here, even if you do not like it. There are many posts here that I do not like that I have not even responded to. Some I did like though.

How you feel about the impact is valid, as I have frequently stated. I believe these conversations between us would be going in a very different direction if you were willing to accept that I can disagree with some of what you are saying, but still think you have valid opinions and feelings.

Crack on about how it has impacted you. I do think those posts are helpful contributions.