I don't. For the same reason I don't like the real word counterpart. It's sexist by equaling female (and only female) promiscuity with being immoral. and/or being lesser. It only applies to males. It implies that descent rather than your own actions deem you worthy. And it insults the mother of the person more instead of the person you hurl it towards. It's four kinds of wrong.
I'm partial to Skyrim's "Milkdrinker". As a general insult that insinuates the target's a baby. Or as a racist insult that Tortles, Locathah or Aarakocra can hurl at all the mammalian races.
I respect this. I will say that you can you can say “incubus” to refer to males of the species (although that’s probably not well-known), or could even just call someone a “cambion”, evil spawn of devils (succubi and incubi are specifically mentioned). That keeps a general idea but removes some of your concern, but it still keeps some of the negative tone
I feel like I need to note that all powerful cusses are based on dehumanizing a group. Even your two favorites can be taken as stereotype-offensive: “Milkdrinker” could be taken offensively to people with ID/DD, and the second one you draw directly to racism even though it’s really... specism? Don’t take my terminology on this
All of this to say, I guess, that your concerns are valid but extremely hard to deal with, due to direct connection between these cusses and stereotypes.
I don't. For the same reason I don't like the real word counterpart. It's sexist by equaling female (and only female) promiscuity with being immoral. and/or being lesser. It only applies to males. It implies that descent rather than your own actions deem you worthy. And it insults the mother of the person more instead of the person you hurl it towards. It's four kinds of wrong.
I'm partial to Skyrim's "Milkdrinker". As a general insult that insinuates the target's a baby. Or as a racist insult that Tortles, Locathah or Aarakocra can hurl at all the mammalian races.
I respect this. I will say that you can you can say “incubus” to refer to males of the species (although that’s probably not well-known), or could even just call someone a “cambion”, evil spawn of devils (succubi and incubi are specifically mentioned). That keeps a general idea but removes some of your concern, but it still keeps some of the negative tone
I feel like I need to note that all powerful cusses are based on dehumanizing a group. Even your two favorites can be taken as stereotype-offensive: “Milkdrinker” could be taken offensively to people with ID/DD, and the second one you draw directly to racism even though it’s really... specism? Don’t take my terminology on this
All of this to say, I guess, that your concerns are valid but extremely hard to deal with, due to direct connection between these cusses and stereotypes.
In my games, succubi/incubi are created/born with no gender, and can choose either a Male/Female form when they are attempting to seduce someone, just to avoid complications, and to add flavor.
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I will say that you can you can say “incubus” to refer to males of the species
That only solves one of the problems I have with it though. It's still only "son of a..." never "daughter of a..." Insulting a woman is always done directly. You'd have to just use incubus/succubus as insults directly. That solves the problems of only applying to males and of judging someone by their descent and insulting their progenitors instead of the person.
If used to basically call someone a rapist, I guess it works. But if it's used to slut-shame, it's still not great. And at that point, I'd better use something else entirely.
In my games, succubi/incubi are created/born with no gender, and can choose either a Male/Female form when they are attempting to seduce someone, just to avoid complications, and to add flavor.
That's how they're described in the Monster Manual, actually.
I will say that you can you can say “incubus” to refer to males of the species
That only solves one of the problems I have with it though. It's still only "son of a..." never "daughter of a..." Insulting a woman is always done directly. You'd have to just use incubus/succubus as insults directly. That solves the problems of only applying to males and of judging someone by their descent and insulting their progenitors instead of the person.
If used to basically call someone a rapist, I guess it works. But if it's used to slut-shame, it's still not great. And at that point, I'd better use something else entirely.
In my games, succubi/incubi are created/born with no gender, and can choose either a Male/Female form when they are attempting to seduce someone, just to avoid complications, and to add flavor.
That's how they're described in the Monster Manual, actually.
Yes I totally agree. That’s why I proposed several and explicitly said “these don’t address your problems completely”.
It’s also important to note that these are issues that need to be dealt with, not just shunned and ignored. A good campaign goes around these ugly topics. A great one forces its players to address them, making an impact on the real as well as the fictional world. But this is probably for a different thread.
In my games, succubi/incubi are created/born with no gender, and can choose either a Male/Female form when they are attempting to seduce someone, just to avoid complications, and to add flavor.
That's how they're described in the Monster Manual, actually.
I thought it was canon, but I'd heard otherwise. I always just went with that they are genderless, but choose what they want to be for any given circumstance.
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From a Douglas Adams sci-fi but still appropriate.
"HELLS' BELLS!!"
...stated by a robot tank who, after talking to an excessively depressed and paranoid android, was so enraged at biological masters that, in a fit of destroying architecture intended for livingkind, the tank robot destroyed the bridge underneath itself.
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider. My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong. I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲 “It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
Because I always go WAY too deep with lore and world building, and as someone who is very interested in linguistics, I have created the skeleton of a Dwarven dialect.
Yeah I know.
With that in mind, the mere way a Dwarf in my homebrew phrases something can convey either respect or disdain. Dwarves will typically add Dwarvish words into sentences when speaking in common to show respect, disdain or merely emphasis or strong opinion.
For example, "Menzir" means "Person" (the plural being "Menzirrim")
“A pleasure to meet you, Nadanmenzir.” would be a formal and respectful greeting to a human.
“It is good to see you again, Kadmenzir.” would be a warm welcome for a fire genasi.
A respectful greeting toward a dwarf from a person of another race would be something like, “Honour to you, Barakmenzir.” Showing that you understand their language, tradition and titles.
With "Uruk" meaning "Orc", a respected half-orc would bear the title of “Urukmenzir”, whereas another dwarf might call the same half orc “Uruk” as an insult. On the very rare occasion where a full-blooded orc might be respected or accepted, they would likewise bear the title of “Urukmenzir” rather than “Uruk”, acknowledging them as a person, rather than a vile monster.
In the case of an elf, the dwarvish is "Ekanmenzir" or "weak person". If they wish to convey respect, they will use the common "elf", even when speaking Dwarvish (and conversely, use the Dwarven word when speaking common as an insult). They may even use the elvish, "Ilrath'ien" to convey great respect.
The Dwarvish for "Go to hell!" "Vit ûm Zadanstund!" / "Vit ûm Dehurstund!"
Literally, "Go to the demon-place!" / "Go to the deep place!" (with Zadanstund - "Demon-place" - meaning the hells/the abyss, and Dehurstund - "Deep place" - meaning the underdark.
I mean I go seriously way too deep into this stuff for my own enjoyment, but I hope my players think it gives the world some depth and flavour.
I've seen this here and there as a declaration of frustration.
"Effeffess!"
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Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider. My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong. I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲 “It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
Because I always go WAY too deep with lore and world building, and as someone who is very interested in linguistics, I have created the skeleton of a Dwarven dialect.
Yeah I know.
With that in mind, the mere way a Dwarf in my homebrew phrases something can convey either respect or disdain. Dwarves will typically add Dwarvish words into sentences when speaking in common to show respect, disdain or merely emphasis or strong opinion.
For example, "Menzir" means "Person" (the plural being "Menzirrim")
“A pleasure to meet you, Nadanmenzir.” would be a formal and respectful greeting to a human.
“It is good to see you again, Kadmenzir.” would be a warm welcome for a fire genasi.
A respectful greeting toward a dwarf from a person of another race would be something like, “Honour to you, Barakmenzir.” Showing that you understand their language, tradition and titles.
With "Uruk" meaning "Orc", a respected half-orc would bear the title of “Urukmenzir”, whereas another dwarf might call the same half orc “Uruk” as an insult. On the very rare occasion where a full-blooded orc might be respected or accepted, they would likewise bear the title of “Urukmenzir” rather than “Uruk”, acknowledging them as a person, rather than a vile monster.
In the case of an elf, the dwarvish is "Ekanmenzir" or "weak person". If they wish to convey respect, they will use the common "elf", even when speaking Dwarvish (and conversely, use the Dwarven word when speaking common as an insult). They may even use the elvish, "Ilrath'ien" to convey great respect.
The Dwarvish for "Go to hell!" "Vit ûm Zadanstund!" / "Vit ûm Dehurstund!"
Literally, "Go to the demon-place!" / "Go to the deep place!" (with Zadanstund - "Demon-place" - meaning the hells/the abyss, and Dehurstund - "Deep place" - meaning the underdark.
I mean I go seriously way too deep into this stuff for my own enjoyment, but I hope my players think it gives the world some depth and flavour.
This is great stuff! I like taking the lore and finding language to match it. I pored through the lore my DM gave us for the Pantheon and came up with world specific phrases for my character. for example, our world's god of death is named Eureum, the Sad Death and the lore mentions he is often portrayed as weeping. So my character uses the phrase "Eureum's Tears!" on occasion. I also like the phrase "Balor's teat!"
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider. My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong. I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲 “It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
Son of a lich
Let evil fall and Light prevail!
I like this one
Please check out my homebrew, I would appreciate feedback:
Spells, Monsters, Subclasses, Races, Arcknight Class, Occultist Class, World, Enigmatic Esoterica forms
I respect this. I will say that you can you can say “incubus” to refer to males of the species (although that’s probably not well-known), or could even just call someone a “cambion”, evil spawn of devils (succubi and incubi are specifically mentioned). That keeps a general idea but removes some of your concern, but it still keeps some of the negative tone
I feel like I need to note that all powerful cusses are based on dehumanizing a group. Even your two favorites can be taken as stereotype-offensive: “Milkdrinker” could be taken offensively to people with ID/DD, and the second one you draw directly to racism even though it’s really... specism? Don’t take my terminology on this
All of this to say, I guess, that your concerns are valid but extremely hard to deal with, due to direct connection between these cusses and stereotypes.
In my games, succubi/incubi are created/born with no gender, and can choose either a Male/Female form when they are attempting to seduce someone, just to avoid complications, and to add flavor.
Please check out my homebrew, I would appreciate feedback:
Spells, Monsters, Subclasses, Races, Arcknight Class, Occultist Class, World, Enigmatic Esoterica forms
That only solves one of the problems I have with it though. It's still only "son of a..." never "daughter of a..." Insulting a woman is always done directly. You'd have to just use incubus/succubus as insults directly. That solves the problems of only applying to males and of judging someone by their descent and insulting their progenitors instead of the person.
If used to basically call someone a rapist, I guess it works. But if it's used to slut-shame, it's still not great. And at that point, I'd better use something else entirely.
That's how they're described in the Monster Manual, actually.
Yes I totally agree. That’s why I proposed several and explicitly said “these don’t address your problems completely”.
It’s also important to note that these are issues that need to be dealt with, not just shunned and ignored. A good campaign goes around these ugly topics. A great one forces its players to address them, making an impact on the real as well as the fictional world. But this is probably for a different thread.
I thought it was canon, but I'd heard otherwise. I always just went with that they are genderless, but choose what they want to be for any given circumstance.
Please check out my homebrew, I would appreciate feedback:
Spells, Monsters, Subclasses, Races, Arcknight Class, Occultist Class, World, Enigmatic Esoterica forms
From a Douglas Adams sci-fi but still appropriate.
"HELLS' BELLS!!"
...stated by a robot tank who, after talking to an excessively depressed and paranoid android, was so enraged at biological masters that, in a fit of destroying architecture intended for livingkind, the tank robot destroyed the bridge underneath itself.
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
Because I always go WAY too deep with lore and world building, and as someone who is very interested in linguistics, I have created the skeleton of a Dwarven dialect.
Yeah I know.
With that in mind, the mere way a Dwarf in my homebrew phrases something can convey either respect or disdain. Dwarves will typically add Dwarvish words into sentences when speaking in common to show respect, disdain or merely emphasis or strong opinion.
For example, "Menzir" means "Person" (the plural being "Menzirrim")
“A pleasure to meet you, Nadanmenzir.” would be a formal and respectful greeting to a human.
“It is good to see you again, Kadmenzir.” would be a warm welcome for a fire genasi.
A respectful greeting toward a dwarf from a person of another race would be something like, “Honour to you, Barakmenzir.” Showing that you understand their language, tradition and titles.
With "Uruk" meaning "Orc", a respected half-orc would bear the title of “Urukmenzir”, whereas another dwarf might call the same half orc “Uruk” as an insult. On the very rare occasion where a full-blooded orc might be respected or accepted, they would likewise bear the title of “Urukmenzir” rather than “Uruk”, acknowledging them as a person, rather than a vile monster.
In the case of an elf, the dwarvish is "Ekanmenzir" or "weak person". If they wish to convey respect, they will use the common "elf", even when speaking Dwarvish (and conversely, use the Dwarven word when speaking common as an insult). They may even use the elvish, "Ilrath'ien" to convey great respect.
The Dwarvish for "Go to hell!" "Vit ûm Zadanstund!" / "Vit ûm Dehurstund!"
Literally, "Go to the demon-place!" / "Go to the deep place!" (with Zadanstund - "Demon-place" - meaning the hells/the abyss, and Dehurstund - "Deep place" - meaning the underdark.
I mean I go seriously way too deep into this stuff for my own enjoyment, but I hope my players think it gives the world some depth and flavour.
I've seen this here and there as a declaration of frustration.
"Effeffess!"
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
You're like nipples on a gelatinous cube! (Useless)
This is great stuff! I like taking the lore and finding language to match it. I pored through the lore my DM gave us for the Pantheon and came up with world specific phrases for my character. for example, our world's god of death is named Eureum, the Sad Death and the lore mentions he is often portrayed as weeping. So my character uses the phrase "Eureum's Tears!" on occasion. I also like the phrase "Balor's teat!"
I've mined "Firefly" for a lot of mine...
Stupid inbred stack of meat!
Motherless goat of all motherless goats (or any type of animal / person.)
Holy mother of God and all her wacky nephews!
Moonbrained
You're a little whimsical in the brainpan...
(When trying not to swear)
PIXIE NOODLES!
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
to someone very cruel: "you Wareboar!"
I'm stealing from Warhammer for this one but "Manling".
My Duergar has taken to calling humans this if they act foolish.
Hadgar Greystone, Lv 10 Duergar Death Cleric.
Call of Cantraxis campaign, Moonshae.
DM: Imperia Regnum
Ancient Rome Theros Homebrew.
Gri'im the Red, LV 7 Orc Druid
Rime of the Frost Maiden Campaign.