Xerronios gives them a skeptical look. He doubts very much if the island is holy to Erebos, or, if it was, if the god cared much about the unlucky ships which foundered upon its shores, lured there by the glowing creatures. Was the god now in the pirate business? However, he just nods and says, "As you wish. Let us return to the ship after our new companions have claimed their belongings."
Windlass and Livilias would definitely recall one item of interest...
One shipwreck appears pristine, untouched by the passage of time. This wreck carries a wealth of gold and valuables. You can make a religion check if you wish.
Others are allowed to speak up in regard to this ship, as the main group has encountered it already.
Windlass' goddess is of the unknown depths and there is a holy right of salvage. She makes no excuses about this, though she does not talk down anyone else's thoughts on their gods. Shipwrecks are fair game, though she stays away from undead or anything unholy pertaining to the island. She proceeds to the wreck to collect anything notable, casting detect magic as she does so, and keeping an eye out for anything dangerous.
Investigation: 21 (if with help: 6) Perception: 23 (if with help: 12)
Windlass... Inside the wreck you find a horde of treasure. This includes...
80000 GP 74000 PP
2 x Black sapphire (translucent lustrous black with glowing highlights - 5000 GP each) 3 x Diamond (transparent blue-white - 5000 GP each) 3 x Ruby (deep crimson - 5000 GP each)
Jeweled gold crown - 7,500 gp Gold jewelry box with platinum filigree - 7,500 gp Jade game board with solid gold playing pieces - 7,500 gp Bejeweled ivory drinking horn with gold filigree - 7,500 gp
Ring of water elemental command Belt of storm giant strength +2 Armor (either plate or half-plate) Robe of the archmagi Cloak of invisibility Staff of the magi Luck blade Armor, +2 Studded leather
Windlass... Inside the wreck you find a horde of treasure. This includes...
80000 GP 74000 PP
2 x Black sapphire (translucent lustrous black with glowing highlights - 5000 GP each) 3 x Diamond (transparent blue-white - 5000 GP each) 3 x Ruby (deep crimson - 5000 GP each)
Jeweled gold crown - 7,500 gp Gold jewelry box with platinum filigree - 7,500 gp Jade game board with solid gold playing pieces - 7,500 gp Bejeweled ivory drinking horn with gold filigree - 7,500 gp
Ring of water elemental command Belt of storm giant strength +2 Armor (either plate or half-plate) Robe of the archmagi Cloak of invisibility Staff of the magi Luck blade Armor, +2 Studded leather
Kanlos and IO both recognize the untouched-by-age ship as that of Erebos, god of the dead. They would expect a horde of riches to be aboard that ship, but would also recognize that even touching it might bring a curse from that divine being upon their heads.
(Bringing this back to the top for the newer players.)
Kanlos shakes his head, "I will have no part in looting that ship, and will strongly advise the captain not to allow it on the ship. This one definitely belongs to Erebos, and there is no reason to draw his curse this early in our expedition."
Io again, agrees with Kanlos. "Can't have said it better myself. I feel as though we've already risked being cursed from freeing the undead captain. I found that justified only because Erebos' punishment was keeping him in the mortal realm and thereby disrupting Athreos' duty to ferry the souls of the dead from the material plane to the land of the dead. I cannot in anyway, find looting the god's ship justified. I will not take any part in looting it."
Windlass would know that this ship belongs to bleak-hearted Erebos, god of the dead. Erebos is often associated with wealth, presiding over the earthly coffers of the dead, thus his temples would make a ripe but foolish target for brazen thieves. Moving the gold around the island or taking a piece of it to gain information does not incur Erebos’ wrath, but taking the gold for personal gain is a trespass the god of the dead will not weather.
“Friends, friends… If gods wanted to keep us from picking up what others left behind do you really think they couldn’t stop us? The gods are like us, I believe - If they want something they protect it. There is no more protection on this island,” Livilias explains, “So clearly your gods have not staked a claim on anything else here…”
Livilias is quite determined to take what can be gotten and will debate endlessly… Or until he fears his ride off this island is threatened. At that point he would concede the point… and only take what he can do do discreetly.
(started post before fully caught up so lemme go read rest of what I hadn’t…)
Religion check: 18 Livilias finds the information interesting in a theoretical sense only. He holds no reverence or fear of the gods. Sure they can screw with the lives of mortals but they do such at their own whims, no matter how pious or not one is.
“If nothing else, how would your god of death NOT want war tools out about in the world? Even if you insist the treasure and coins should be left, surely the implements of death would be encouraged to be used?” Livilias adds, but as above, Livilias argues the point until it proves hopeless. If the others are quite determined nothing at all could be taken… Livilias would agree but look for a time when he could sneak aboard to claim a few choice items. If he could get within 30’ of the ship unseen he could Misty Step aboard and loot a few trinkets unknown to the others…
Commenting about the gods screwing with people's lives based on perceived sleights seem to strike a nerve with Io. He argues back, "Honestly, I don't know how the gods work and how the gods think. And honestly, I don't care either. I have seen first hand what being cursed by a god does. I rather not have their wrath on my head. Pious or not, I do not wish to do anything that might incur their wrath unless there is some good reason for it. No, a few coins and few magical trinkets are not a good enough justification for that. In this world where the lives of the mortals may be influenced by whims and whimsy of greater beings, it is wise to not risk bringing down their wrath on your head."
He then gestures to the island and says, "How can you claim that Erebos has not protected his ship and the treasure within? Attracted by wisps or not, the wreckage all around you should be an obvious sign that it was made difficult to approach by ship. The undead that stalked these lands were protecting the ship as well as the punished soul. And you say Erebos would protect his wealth if he didn't wish for people to take it. Then tell me, why is it that the Revenant we laid to rest had successfully stolen from Erebos' temple? Should he not have been blocked by some unseen force? No, it is far more complicated than that. Sometimes I do not understand the punishment delivered by the gods. Sometimes, I feel punishments may be unjust or not befitting of the crime. However at the end of the day, that is not for me to decide. I am no god and nor do I aspire to be one. I am simply someone who worships Athreos and for reasons known only to the River God, I have been blessed with divine magic.It is not my place to understand and question the god's actions. As a K-" Io got heated in his rebute and was about to say something but he stopped himself before he said it. He recovers and continues, "As a mortal, I can only do what I perceive in my eyes to be just and in the greater good for both myself and those that I value the most. That is all I can do. In my eyes, to steal from a Erebos' temple for no reason than to simply have more wealth is to be cursed by him. The benefits the tools and the riches might do us doesn't outweigh the harm that Erebos can do to us." He then ends by saying, "To face life's challenges and dilemmas without annoying any of the many gods is... difficult. To knowingly risk bringing one's wrath down on their head for simple material gain is foolish. If you still wish to do it, I will have no part in it. The risk of one god's ire is enough for me."
Xerronios nods. "I have no particular reverence for Erebos but to deny his power is foolish. The gods do not stop mortals from acting. They merely ensure that appropriate, as they deem that term, consequences are handed down. If you wish to remove some of Erebos' treasure, surely the same treasure the pirate-revenant stole, I suggest you ask Erebos for permission to do so. Undoubtedly he watches this place and may even give you a sign. Otherwise, taking anything puts us all at risk. And I think we'd all appreciate it if you didn't do anything...surruptitiously." He gives Livilias a direct and pointed look and then glaces at the ship.
((Would my Deception be versus their passive or active Perception? Livilias certainly wouldn’t have announced he planned to deceive…thus why he’d cede to their wishes after a certain point… but that’ll influence his next actions so I’ll await determination.))
OOC: Ah but Xerronios doesn’t trust Livilias. He has no clue who the person is, what kind of person he is, what risks and dangers he might be willing to expose the others too. As such, now that the shared danger is over, he’s keeping a close eye on these newcomers, especially the one who seems inclined to violate the treasure of a god.
OOC - ok so every round you’re actively perceiving him, following him into the hidey hole he had been living in, etc. got it.
Livilias takes note of the all too obvious signals from Xerronios and nods acquiescence to him. It’s quite a slight, being denied these treasure and after just saving their lives and all… but there is plenty of time to return favor in kind. Plenty of time…
“Well then, my friends,” Livilias says with a large smile for all, “If the price of my passage off this island is the leaving of the gifts Erebos so obviously left for us, then so be it. Forsake his boon and let us depart.”
OOC: No, just right now while he’s actively arguing for a course of action that might endanger everyone. And when I say Xerronios doesn’t trust him I mean he doesn’t yet trust him to act for the betterment of the group and mission. He doesn’t think he’ll stab the group in the back.
OOC: Well Xerronios would have needed to follow Livilias around as Livilias gathered the stuff he had in his hidden-hole and all... But *shrug* It's not worth debating.
Livilias has put the question out there - Is the price of passage off the island not claiming the gifts Erebos has left behind for us? If yes, he shrugs and packs up his hidey-hole without further complaint.
OOC: Well Xerronios would have needed to follow Livilias around as Livilias gathered the stuff he had in his hidden-hole and all... But *shrug* It's not worth debating.
OOC: I see your point, but, yeah let’s move on. 🙂
“I was serious when I suggested you ask Erebus if he minds if we take anything from his ship. I would do it but as Klothys was the driving force, through me, of ending his curse on the pirate, I don’t think such a plea would be received well. As you put it, those items do him or his followers or even his goals no good stuck on this island. The worst that’ll happen is he’ll tell you no. What’ve you got to lose? But if you just take things, well, you’re looking at the same result as the pirate and maybe the same for the rest of us. I’m afraid in that case I’d have to stand with my companions. We have seen too much on this voyage to ignore the possibility of divine displeasure.”
Xerronios gives them a skeptical look. He doubts very much if the island is holy to Erebos, or, if it was, if the god cared much about the unlucky ships which foundered upon its shores, lured there by the glowing creatures. Was the god now in the pirate business? However, he just nods and says, "As you wish. Let us return to the ship after our new companions have claimed their belongings."
Tandor the White, Human Life Cleric
Windlass and Livilias would definitely recall one item of interest...
One shipwreck appears pristine, untouched by the passage of time. This wreck carries a wealth of gold and valuables. You can make a religion check if you wish.
Others are allowed to speak up in regard to this ship, as the main group has encountered it already.
Xerronios Religion 21+3
Tandor the White, Human Life Cleric
Windlass' goddess is of the unknown depths and there is a holy right of salvage. She makes no excuses about this, though she does not talk down anyone else's thoughts on their gods. Shipwrecks are fair game, though she stays away from undead or anything unholy pertaining to the island. She proceeds to the wreck to collect anything notable, casting detect magic as she does so, and keeping an eye out for anything dangerous.
Investigation: 21 (if with help: 6)
Perception: 23 (if with help: 12)
Windlass...
Inside the wreck you find a horde of treasure. This includes...
80000 GP
74000 PP
2 x Black sapphire (translucent lustrous black with glowing highlights - 5000 GP each)
3 x Diamond (transparent blue-white - 5000 GP each)
3 x Ruby (deep crimson - 5000 GP each)
Jeweled gold crown - 7,500 gp
Gold jewelry box with platinum filigree - 7,500 gp
Jade game board with solid gold playing pieces - 7,500 gp
Bejeweled ivory drinking horn with gold filigree - 7,500 gp
Ring of water elemental command
Belt of storm giant strength
+2 Armor (either plate or half-plate)
Robe of the archmagi
Cloak of invisibility
Staff of the magi
Luck blade
Armor, +2 Studded leather
Sorry, you already did a roll on this knowledge, and came up with the above.
ooc: Um....wow!!!
Tandor the White, Human Life Cleric
(Bringing this back to the top for the newer players.)
Kanlos shakes his head, "I will have no part in looting that ship, and will strongly advise the captain not to allow it on the ship. This one definitely belongs to Erebos, and there is no reason to draw his curse this early in our expedition."
Io again, agrees with Kanlos. "Can't have said it better myself. I feel as though we've already risked being cursed from freeing the undead captain. I found that justified only because Erebos' punishment was keeping him in the mortal realm and thereby disrupting Athreos' duty to ferry the souls of the dead from the material plane to the land of the dead. I cannot in anyway, find looting the god's ship justified. I will not take any part in looting it."
Windlass religion check to see if there is any safe way of taking any items from the ship: 21
Windlass would know that this ship belongs to bleak-hearted Erebos, god of the dead. Erebos is often associated with wealth, presiding over the earthly coffers of the dead, thus his temples would make a ripe but foolish target for brazen thieves. Moving the gold around the island or taking a piece of it to gain information does not incur Erebos’ wrath, but taking the gold for personal gain is a trespass the god of the dead will not weather.
“Friends, friends… If gods wanted to keep us from picking up what others left behind do you really think they couldn’t stop us? The gods are like us, I believe - If they want something they protect it. There is no more protection on this island,” Livilias explains, “So clearly your gods have not staked a claim on anything else here…”
Livilias is quite determined to take what can be gotten and will debate endlessly… Or until he fears his ride off this island is threatened. At that point he would concede the point… and only take what he can do do discreetly.
(started post before fully caught up so lemme go read rest of what I hadn’t…)
Religion check: 18
Livilias finds the information interesting in a theoretical sense only. He holds no reverence or fear of the gods. Sure they can screw with the lives of mortals but they do such at their own whims, no matter how pious or not one is.
“If nothing else, how would your god of death NOT want war tools out about in the world? Even if you insist the treasure and coins should be left, surely the implements of death would be encouraged to be used?” Livilias adds, but as above, Livilias argues the point until it proves hopeless.
If the others are quite determined nothing at all could be taken… Livilias would agree but look for a time when he could sneak aboard to claim a few choice items. If he could get within 30’ of the ship unseen he could Misty Step aboard and loot a few trinkets unknown to the others…
deception: 22
…
Commenting about the gods screwing with people's lives based on perceived sleights seem to strike a nerve with Io. He argues back, "Honestly, I don't know how the gods work and how the gods think. And honestly, I don't care either. I have seen first hand what being cursed by a god does. I rather not have their wrath on my head. Pious or not, I do not wish to do anything that might incur their wrath unless there is some good reason for it. No, a few coins and few magical trinkets are not a good enough justification for that. In this world where the lives of the mortals may be influenced by whims and whimsy of greater beings, it is wise to not risk bringing down their wrath on your head."
He then gestures to the island and says, "How can you claim that Erebos has not protected his ship and the treasure within? Attracted by wisps or not, the wreckage all around you should be an obvious sign that it was made difficult to approach by ship. The undead that stalked these lands were protecting the ship as well as the punished soul. And you say Erebos would protect his wealth if he didn't wish for people to take it. Then tell me, why is it that the Revenant we laid to rest had successfully stolen from Erebos' temple? Should he not have been blocked by some unseen force? No, it is far more complicated than that. Sometimes I do not understand the punishment delivered by the gods. Sometimes, I feel punishments may be unjust or not befitting of the crime. However at the end of the day, that is not for me to decide. I am no god and nor do I aspire to be one. I am simply someone who worships Athreos and for reasons known only to the River God, I have been blessed with divine magic.It is not my place to understand and question the god's actions. As a K-" Io got heated in his rebute and was about to say something but he stopped himself before he said it. He recovers and continues, "As a mortal, I can only do what I perceive in my eyes to be just and in the greater good for both myself and those that I value the most. That is all I can do. In my eyes, to steal from a Erebos' temple for no reason than to simply have more wealth is to be cursed by him. The benefits the tools and the riches might do us doesn't outweigh the harm that Erebos can do to us." He then ends by saying, "To face life's challenges and dilemmas without annoying any of the many gods is... difficult. To knowingly risk bringing one's wrath down on their head for simple material gain is foolish. If you still wish to do it, I will have no part in it. The risk of one god's ire is enough for me."
Perception 18+3
Xerronios nods. "I have no particular reverence for Erebos but to deny his power is foolish. The gods do not stop mortals from acting. They merely ensure that appropriate, as they deem that term, consequences are handed down. If you wish to remove some of Erebos' treasure, surely the same treasure the pirate-revenant stole, I suggest you ask Erebos for permission to do so. Undoubtedly he watches this place and may even give you a sign. Otherwise, taking anything puts us all at risk. And I think we'd all appreciate it if you didn't do anything...surruptitiously." He gives Livilias a direct and pointed look and then glaces at the ship.
Tandor the White, Human Life Cleric
((Would my Deception be versus their passive or active Perception? Livilias certainly wouldn’t have announced he planned to deceive…thus why he’d cede to their wishes after a certain point… but that’ll influence his next actions so I’ll await determination.))
OOC: Ah but Xerronios doesn’t trust Livilias. He has no clue who the person is, what kind of person he is, what risks and dangers he might be willing to expose the others too. As such, now that the shared danger is over, he’s keeping a close eye on these newcomers, especially the one who seems inclined to violate the treasure of a god.
Tandor the White, Human Life Cleric
OOC - ok so every round you’re actively perceiving him, following him into the hidey hole he had been living in, etc. got it.
Livilias takes note of the all too obvious signals from Xerronios and nods acquiescence to him. It’s quite a slight, being denied these treasure and after just saving their lives and all… but there is plenty of time to return favor in kind. Plenty of time…
“Well then, my friends,” Livilias says with a large smile for all, “If the price of my passage off this island is the leaving of the gifts Erebos so obviously left for us, then so be it. Forsake his boon and let us depart.”
OOC: No, just right now while he’s actively arguing for a course of action that might endanger everyone. And when I say Xerronios doesn’t trust him I mean he doesn’t yet trust him to act for the betterment of the group and mission. He doesn’t think he’ll stab the group in the back.
Tandor the White, Human Life Cleric
OOC: Well Xerronios would have needed to follow Livilias around as Livilias gathered the stuff he had in his hidden-hole and all... But *shrug* It's not worth debating.
Livilias has put the question out there - Is the price of passage off the island not claiming the gifts Erebos has left behind for us? If yes, he shrugs and packs up his hidey-hole without further complaint.
OOC: I see your point, but, yeah let’s move on. 🙂
“I was serious when I suggested you ask Erebus if he minds if we take anything from his ship. I would do it but as Klothys was the driving force, through me, of ending his curse on the pirate, I don’t think such a plea would be received well. As you put it, those items do him or his followers or even his goals no good stuck on this island. The worst that’ll happen is he’ll tell you no. What’ve you got to lose? But if you just take things, well, you’re looking at the same result as the pirate and maybe the same for the rest of us. I’m afraid in that case I’d have to stand with my companions. We have seen too much on this voyage to ignore the possibility of divine displeasure.”
Tandor the White, Human Life Cleric