The long and short of it is I'm in a debate with someone about the mechanics of the [Tooltip Not Found] spell. The whole point is whether or not someone can cry a Target not knowing them but only having their blood.
Which is a thing you normally see done in fantasy books. Which I'm saying you can because of the laws of thaumaturgy. They are saying no, because you have no knowledge of the person, which means it will cause it to auto fail. Due to the 3 listed dc modifiers of how well you "know" the target.
Anyway... The Scrying spell requires at least some knowledge of the target as noted by the knowledge table. There's no entry for no knowledge - meaning it won't function. Just having a bit of them isn't enough.
So, the spell calls out some degree of familiarity... it's possible to Scry on a person that you have only ever heard of second hand. It's really up to DM's discretion how much you have to know about them in order to make the attempt... does just knowing their name count? Do you need to know what they look like? If you see a painting of someone can you scry on them? In that same vein, I think it's reasonable for a DM to accept, "I would like to Scry on the person this blood came from", without any additional knowledge about them. I don't know WHY you would want to scry on some random person you know nothing about that you happen to have blood from, but it's entirely up to DM's discretion.
If it was my game and, for whatever reason, I decided that the players find a vial of blood somewhere and a player picks one up and says, "I would like to scry on the person this blood came from", I would allow them to make the attempt. I mean... I must have put that blood in there for some reason, right? Still... it's such an odd setup that I can't imagine it comes up frequently enough to be a serious problem.
Because I'm 57 and have been raised that way. Believe me, I would love to have had more female DMs (or indeed, players) or to have been educated in a world where pronouns are masculine by default, and where alternative formulas are not just ugly and uneasy to type and read. Although I can sometimes spot them, they don't come out naturally, sorry.
But I've paid for my sins, having been married with 3 daughters and even a female cat at home... :p
Anyway... The Scrying spell requires at least some knowledge of the target as noted by the knowledge table. There's no entry for no knowledge - meaning it won't function. Just having a bit of them isn't enough.
Yep...
You can learn buddy! I have had to learn pronouns for my latest campaign and it’s actually become a fun challenge for everyone to change their “standard” pronouns. You got this! 🙂
So, the spell calls out some degree of familiarity... it's possible to Scry on a person that you have only ever heard of second hand. It's really up to DM's discretion how much you have to know about them in order to make the attempt... does just knowing their name count? Do you need to know what they look like? If you see a painting of someone can you scry on them? In that same vein, I think it's reasonable for a DM to accept, "I would like to Scry on the person this blood came from", without any additional knowledge about them. I don't know WHY you would want to scry on some random person you know nothing about that you happen to have blood from, but it's entirely up to DM's discretion.
If it was my game and, for whatever reason, I decided that the players find a vial of blood somewhere and a player picks one up and says, "I would like to scry on the person this blood came from", I would allow them to make the attempt. I mean... I must have put that blood in there for some reason, right? Still... it's such an odd setup that I can't imagine it comes up frequently enough to be a serious problem.
Two of the other players in my RoFM group are Waterdhavian City Guardsmen and they would jump at the chance to discover who belonged to that pool of blood on the floor, if the person is still alive or where the body is stashed. Scrying is only for a creature or a location though not sure you can scry a corpse (object). Does that blood belong to Dave the shopkeeper or to whatever was snuffling at the bottom of the door last night?
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The long and short of it is I'm in a debate with someone about the mechanics of the [Tooltip Not Found] spell. The whole point is whether or not someone can cry a Target not knowing them but only having their blood.
Which is a thing you normally see done in fantasy books. Which I'm saying you can because of the laws of thaumaturgy. They are saying no, because you have no knowledge of the person, which means it will cause it to auto fail. Due to the 3 listed dc modifiers of how well you "know" the target.
Why are DM's always male with you Lyxen?
Anyway...
The Scrying spell requires at least some knowledge of the target as noted by the knowledge table. There's no entry for no knowledge - meaning it won't function. Just having a bit of them isn't enough.
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So, the spell calls out some degree of familiarity... it's possible to Scry on a person that you have only ever heard of second hand. It's really up to DM's discretion how much you have to know about them in order to make the attempt... does just knowing their name count? Do you need to know what they look like? If you see a painting of someone can you scry on them? In that same vein, I think it's reasonable for a DM to accept, "I would like to Scry on the person this blood came from", without any additional knowledge about them. I don't know WHY you would want to scry on some random person you know nothing about that you happen to have blood from, but it's entirely up to DM's discretion.
If it was my game and, for whatever reason, I decided that the players find a vial of blood somewhere and a player picks one up and says, "I would like to scry on the person this blood came from", I would allow them to make the attempt. I mean... I must have put that blood in there for some reason, right? Still... it's such an odd setup that I can't imagine it comes up frequently enough to be a serious problem.
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You only need someone who does know the target even a little. "This is the blood of William, he's a merchant." Done.
If you just found blood and want to scry to know who it belongs to, that won't work.
You can learn buddy! I have had to learn pronouns for my latest campaign and it’s actually become a fun challenge for everyone to change their “standard” pronouns. You got this! 🙂
Two of the other players in my RoFM group are Waterdhavian City Guardsmen and they would jump at the chance to discover who belonged to that pool of blood on the floor, if the person is still alive or where the body is stashed. Scrying is only for a creature or a location though not sure you can scry a corpse (object). Does that blood belong to Dave the shopkeeper or to whatever was snuffling at the bottom of the door last night?
If you have some sense or spell that allows you to know this is a certain person’s blood, then I would consider that knowledge of the target.
A boot print would give you the target’s shoe size. Is that enough knowledge of the target?
Then there is the person you met but they had a Disguise Self spell.