Hi, so we have a rules questions here. We have a party that is adventuring along a sheer cliffside with a 250ft drop. They find a cave, go in, discover it is inhabited by Yeti. Defeat/chase the Yeti out but the leader jumps off the cliffside and is climbing down the vertical side of the mountain. We have a druid wild-shaped into a fire elemental. She chooses to just drop off the side of the cliff and land on the Yeti leader that is escaping to warn others. Does the Fire Elemental simple pass through the Yeti or does she land on him and they both fall/are entangled in each other?
It's pretty clear that,fire elementals can pass through creatures.According to fire form,the fire elemental passes through,deals 1d10 fire damage,and light them on fire.
Hi, so we have a rules questions here. We have a party that is adventuring along a sheer cliffside with a 250ft drop. They find a cave, go in, discover it is inhabited by Yeti. Defeat/chase the Yeti out but the leader jumps off the cliffside and is climbing down the vertical side of the mountain. We have a druid wild-shaped into a fire elemental. She chooses to just drop off the side of the cliff and land on the Yeti leader that is escaping to warn others. Does the Fire Elemental simple pass through the Yeti or does she land on him and they both fall/are entangled in each other?
Fire elementals have "fire form", which certainly means the elemental can fall through the yeti, but the big clue you need here is that they're immune to grappled and restrained, which is how creatures that aren't solid are universally portrayed - anything with both of those immunities is guaranteed to be a swarm, a liquid, or something even easier to pass through, like a ghost, a gas, or, as in the case of fire elementals, one presumes, a plasma. So fire elementals are somewhat corporeal - they're blocked by solid matter, so they can't phase like a ghost can - but not very much, since they can fit through a 1" diameter hole without squeezing, and if you try to grab them, there's nothing to grab.
On the other hand, the Tasha's rule for having a creature fall onto another creature ignores incorporeality (RAW, a ghost that falls onto you not only works like a human who falls onto you, it takes full damage, since its immunity doesn't apply to falling damage; it's very difficult for a ghost to fall since they have hover, but the same applies to a shadow demon, which lacks hover) entirely, caring only about size. While that's incredibly stupid, it's the RAW - the yeti would have to make a DC 15 Dex save or have the fire elemental land on it, with falling damage split evenly between them.
Fire elementals are immune to being grappled, but have no rule preventing them from grappling, which is likely relevant here - the smart way for the fire elemental to make this jump is to use their action to Grapple on the way down, but importantly, the elemental can become corporeal enough to pick someone up. I think the closest reading of the RAW possible is that the fire elemental can choose whether to be corporeal or not for the purpose of the creatures falling onto each other rules, and since in this case the fire elemental wants to be corporeal, this should be permitted.
It can pass through creature's spaces, but doesn't necessarily mean it is incorporeal. It is more like a gas than a ghost. It can move around creatures not through them. I'd say it lands of the yeti if it wants to.
Hi, so we have a rules questions here. We have a party that is adventuring along a sheer cliffside with a 250ft drop. They find a cave, go in, discover it is inhabited by Yeti. Defeat/chase the Yeti out but the leader jumps off the cliffside and is climbing down the vertical side of the mountain. We have a druid wild-shaped into a fire elemental. She chooses to just drop off the side of the cliff and land on the Yeti leader that is escaping to warn others. Does the Fire Elemental simple pass through the Yeti or does she land on him and they both fall/are entangled in each other?
It's pretty clear that,fire elementals can pass through creatures.According to fire form,the fire elemental passes through,deals 1d10 fire damage,and light them on fire.
Fire elementals have "fire form", which certainly means the elemental can fall through the yeti, but the big clue you need here is that they're immune to grappled and restrained, which is how creatures that aren't solid are universally portrayed - anything with both of those immunities is guaranteed to be a swarm, a liquid, or something even easier to pass through, like a ghost, a gas, or, as in the case of fire elementals, one presumes, a plasma. So fire elementals are somewhat corporeal - they're blocked by solid matter, so they can't phase like a ghost can - but not very much, since they can fit through a 1" diameter hole without squeezing, and if you try to grab them, there's nothing to grab.
On the other hand, the Tasha's rule for having a creature fall onto another creature ignores incorporeality (RAW, a ghost that falls onto you not only works like a human who falls onto you, it takes full damage, since its immunity doesn't apply to falling damage; it's very difficult for a ghost to fall since they have hover, but the same applies to a shadow demon, which lacks hover) entirely, caring only about size. While that's incredibly stupid, it's the RAW - the yeti would have to make a DC 15 Dex save or have the fire elemental land on it, with falling damage split evenly between them.
Fire elementals are immune to being grappled, but have no rule preventing them from grappling, which is likely relevant here - the smart way for the fire elemental to make this jump is to use their action to Grapple on the way down, but importantly, the elemental can become corporeal enough to pick someone up. I think the closest reading of the RAW possible is that the fire elemental can choose whether to be corporeal or not for the purpose of the creatures falling onto each other rules, and since in this case the fire elemental wants to be corporeal, this should be permitted.
It can pass through creature's spaces, but doesn't necessarily mean it is incorporeal. It is more like a gas than a ghost. It can move around creatures not through them. I'd say it lands of the yeti if it wants to.