So I have a lot of questions regarding the Rod of Security Mechanics. I am currently in another campaign for my character it has gotten this very rare magic item and have realized how broken it possibly can be (so long as it’s not nerfed by the DM or so long as I don’t misunderstand it). I’d like to go over it and see what everyone else thinks, and preferable with RAW mechanics.
1.) Once I create a paradise, does it then remain a permanent extraplanar space once I leave? It doesn’t seem to say anywhere that it disappears when I do. It does say that I can imagine the next paradise however, so technically could possibly mean that I am creating another paradise.
2.) if that is the case, and that the paradise is permanent, I was wondering if it is possible to remain in the right security paradise for as long as I want. The reason I ask this is because it says that if I use the action to enter the paradise, than creatures can only stay in there at a max of 200 days. However if I were than to use the plane shift or gate spell, then wouldn’t that mean that I ignore that rule? If the paradise is then permanent, and if I don’t use the action from the right of security, and if I’m able to place shift/gate my way over there, then I could technically stay there so long as I am able to, right?
3.) The reason for this is because my character is a king but he wants to build almost like the ultimate utopia. Technically if he is thinking like this and if he is not stupid and if his imagination is not limited, then couldn’t he technically build/create a whole kingdom so long as he is able to do so? Also, could he technically create fortresses with magical turrets similar to the “Mighty Fortress” 8 Level Spell? Like I said, it just seems limited to the character’s imagination.
4.) If the time limit is removed with the Plane Shift/Gate spell and be able to stay there permanently, does that mean I can bring in as many people as I want to enter the paradise so that they can join my “kingdom”? I could technically “break” the rule and have more than 200 people that can stay there permanently until they leave through the Plane Shift/Gate spell.
These are just some question I have and they all tie together, really. Please just let me know, and preferably with RAW rules and information and not guesses. Thank you!
Ok, that makes sense now that you say it like that. If anything my character could just use his paradise as a “temple” for himself. He’s the kind of guy who’d, even if he can’t build a kingdom easily, this would be his getaway where he could just oversee everything with the home brew scrying items that I’ll be allowed to have.
Also, would you say that I can technically I can reject people from entering with the “Gate” spell though? It says in the spell “Deities and other planar rulers can prevent Portals created by this spell from opening in their presence or anywhere within their Domains.” Because I technically created the extraplanar space, would that mean that I could just say “nope” to anyone who would attempt to enter that way? I know Plane Shift is harder since they need a tuning fork that has attuned to my plane specifically, unless they can cast it without the material component.
One thing I feel I should point out is that the Rod of Security describes the user and the other willing creatures targeted as visitors to the extra dimensional paradise. So to me at least this suggests that these spaces exist independent of the rods effects and that the rod or its user did not create our own these spaces.
However the rules don't have much to say about how this works out. So it is really up to the DM to decide how this plays out and you should ultimately ask them.
So I have a lot of questions regarding the Rod of Security Mechanics. I am currently in another campaign for my character it has gotten this very rare magic item and have realized how broken it possibly can be (so long as it’s not nerfed by the DM or so long as I don’t misunderstand it). I’d like to go over it and see what everyone else thinks, and preferable with RAW mechanics.
1.) Once I create a paradise, does it then remain a permanent extraplanar space once I leave? It doesn’t seem to say anywhere that it disappears when I do. It does say that I can imagine the next paradise however, so technically could possibly mean that I am creating another paradise.
2.) if that is the case, and that the paradise is permanent, I was wondering if it is possible to remain in the right security paradise for as long as I want. The reason I ask this is because it says that if I use the action to enter the paradise, than creatures can only stay in there at a max of 200 days. However if I were than to use the plane shift or gate spell, then wouldn’t that mean that I ignore that rule? If the paradise is then permanent, and if I don’t use the action from the right of security, and if I’m able to place shift/gate my way over there, then I could technically stay there so long as I am able to, right?
3.) The reason for this is because my character is a king but he wants to build almost like the ultimate utopia. Technically if he is thinking like this and if he is not stupid and if his imagination is not limited, then couldn’t he technically build/create a whole kingdom so long as he is able to do so? Also, could he technically create fortresses with magical turrets similar to the “Mighty Fortress” 8 Level Spell? Like I said, it just seems limited to the character’s imagination.
4.) If the time limit is removed with the Plane Shift/Gate spell and be able to stay there permanently, does that mean I can bring in as many people as I want to enter the paradise so that they can join my “kingdom”? I could technically “break” the rule and have more than 200 people that can stay there permanently until they leave through the Plane Shift/Gate spell.
These are just some question I have and they all tie together, really. Please just let me know, and preferably with RAW rules and information and not guesses. Thank you!
1) Actually it says 'A paradise that exists.'
No it says " a paradise that exists in an extraplanar space." And then it goes on to say "You choose the form that the paradise takes." This means that the paradise exists in an extraplanar space. The timelimit is still the same and lucky that it is, otherwise you would be contradicting yourself. If your line of thinking was right (which it isn't) then you could easily use Gate or Planeshift to travel to that plane.
So I have a lot of questions regarding the Rod of Security Mechanics. I am currently in another campaign for my character it has gotten this very rare magic item and have realized how broken it possibly can be (so long as it’s not nerfed by the DM or so long as I don’t misunderstand it). I’d like to go over it and see what everyone else thinks, and preferable with RAW mechanics.
1.) Once I create a paradise, does it then remain a permanent extraplanar space once I leave? It doesn’t seem to say anywhere that it disappears when I do. It does say that I can imagine the next paradise however, so technically could possibly mean that I am creating another paradise.
2.) if that is the case, and that the paradise is permanent, I was wondering if it is possible to remain in the right security paradise for as long as I want. The reason I ask this is because it says that if I use the action to enter the paradise, than creatures can only stay in there at a max of 200 days. However if I were than to use the plane shift or gate spell, then wouldn’t that mean that I ignore that rule? If the paradise is then permanent, and if I don’t use the action from the right of security, and if I’m able to place shift/gate my way over there, then I could technically stay there so long as I am able to, right?
3.) The reason for this is because my character is a king but he wants to build almost like the ultimate utopia. Technically if he is thinking like this and if he is not stupid and if his imagination is not limited, then couldn’t he technically build/create a whole kingdom so long as he is able to do so? Also, could he technically create fortresses with magical turrets similar to the “Mighty Fortress” 8 Level Spell? Like I said, it just seems limited to the character’s imagination.
4.) If the time limit is removed with the Plane Shift/Gate spell and be able to stay there permanently, does that mean I can bring in as many people as I want to enter the paradise so that they can join my “kingdom”? I could technically “break” the rule and have more than 200 people that can stay there permanently until they leave through the Plane Shift/Gate spell.
These are just some question I have and they all tie together, really. Please just let me know, and preferably with RAW rules and information and not guesses. Thank you!
Not covered; the only thing specified by the rod is that after activating the rod, the paradise exists. Your DM will not violate the RAW by having the paradise come into existence as you activate it, nor will they violate the RAW by having the paradise be a space that always existed, or anything in between. Likewise, your DM can dismantle the space or leave it in place for any amount of time, including eternity, after you leave.
How to handle subdivisions of a day will be up to your DM - the Rod of Security falsely assumes that the number of creatures present remains static throughout a day. The "easiest" way to do that might be to have the paradise use the maximum number of visitors each 24-hour span as the number of visitors for that span. Assuming you have a visitor count for a given span, the simplest method that conforms to the RAW will be to have the paradise have a fixed duration (unless ended early) of 200 dv units; each day, it loses dv units equal to that day's visitor count, and when it reaches 0, the paradise obeys the Rod's expiration mechanic. However, note that here I assume your DM is fixing the Rod's incorrect assumption that the number of visitors is always at least 1 a specific way - by having 200/0 = infinity. 200/0 is undefined, so this fix isn't any more valid than any other fix that doesn't lead to another RAW contradiction. For example, your DM could have the paradise expire as soon as it hits 0 visitors (200/0 = 0) and everything would remain consistent.
Subquestion: You are fundamentally incorrect about the paradise ticking down or not depending on how you get there. It's immaterial if you use the rod or not; if you're there, the paradise should obey the 200/visitor days counter specified in the rod's rules.
You can choose the form the paradise takes, by definition, which most certainly could mean that the form is a kingdom or fortress (one of the explicit examples given is a palace, and there's no inherent difference between a palace and a fortress). You won't be able to populate your kingdom or fortress very well, due to the expiration date (e.g. each bee in your flower garden will cost you more duration). As for magical turrets, you're getting very firmly into DM fiat territory if you want the "form" you specify to violate the physics of your DM's world, so don't be surprised if your DM shoots down specific ideas you have.
Your assumption is incorrect and therefore this question is moot.
Ok, that makes sense now that you say it like that. If anything my character could just use his paradise as a “temple” for himself. He’s the kind of guy who’d, even if he can’t build a kingdom easily, this would be his getaway where he could just oversee everything with the home brew scrying items that I’ll be allowed to have.
Also, would you say that I can technically I can reject people from entering with the “Gate” spell though? It says in the spell “Deities and other planar rulers can prevent Portals created by this spell from opening in their presence or anywhere within their Domains.” Because I technically created the extraplanar space, would that mean that I could just say “nope” to anyone who would attempt to enter that way? I know Plane Shift is harder since they need a tuning fork that has attuned to my plane specifically, unless they can cast it without the material component.
Plane Shift's material component is inherently up to DM fiat because there are absolutely no rules for acquiring a forked metal rod attuned to a plane of existence, so your DM is expected to homebrew both it and all aspects of the spell based on it, but there is no rule anywhere in Plane Shift limiting the spell to target locations on a plane that matches the M component's attuned plane. RAW, once you have e.g. a rod attuned to the Plane of Water, you can Plane Shift to Acheron.
Nothing about the Rod of Security makes the user of the Rod the plane's ruler, so the item does not grant you any ability to interact with the Gate spell in any particular way. You may, per your DM, be the plane's creator, but creator and ruler aren't remotely synonymous.
So I have a lot of questions regarding the Rod of Security Mechanics. I am currently in another campaign for my character it has gotten this very rare magic item and have realized how broken it possibly can be (so long as it’s not nerfed by the DM or so long as I don’t misunderstand it). I’d like to go over it and see what everyone else thinks, and preferable with RAW mechanics.
1.) Once I create a paradise, does it then remain a permanent extraplanar space once I leave? It doesn’t seem to say anywhere that it disappears when I do. It does say that I can imagine the next paradise however, so technically could possibly mean that I am creating another paradise.
2.) if that is the case, and that the paradise is permanent, I was wondering if it is possible to remain in the right security paradise for as long as I want. The reason I ask this is because it says that if I use the action to enter the paradise, than creatures can only stay in there at a max of 200 days. However if I were than to use the plane shift or gate spell, then wouldn’t that mean that I ignore that rule? If the paradise is then permanent, and if I don’t use the action from the right of security, and if I’m able to place shift/gate my way over there, then I could technically stay there so long as I am able to, right?
3.) The reason for this is because my character is a king but he wants to build almost like the ultimate utopia. Technically if he is thinking like this and if he is not stupid and if his imagination is not limited, then couldn’t he technically build/create a whole kingdom so long as he is able to do so? Also, could he technically create fortresses with magical turrets similar to the “Mighty Fortress” 8 Level Spell? Like I said, it just seems limited to the character’s imagination.
4.) If the time limit is removed with the Plane Shift/Gate spell and be able to stay there permanently, does that mean I can bring in as many people as I want to enter the paradise so that they can join my “kingdom”? I could technically “break” the rule and have more than 200 people that can stay there permanently until they leave through the Plane Shift/Gate spell.
These are just some question I have and they all tie together, really. Please just let me know, and preferably with RAW rules and information and not guesses. Thank you!
1) Actually it says 'A paradise that exists.'
No it says " a paradise that exists in an extraplanar space." And then it goes on to say "You choose the form that the paradise takes." This means that the paradise exists in an extraplanar space. The timelimit is still the same and lucky that it is, otherwise you would be contradicting yourself. If your line of thinking was right (which it isn't) then you could easily use Gate or Planeshift to travel to that plane.
If it is a paradise that exists in an extra-planar space that does not exist, that would be quite a trick.
Who said that the planar space does not exist? Are you willfully misinterpreting the rules? The way the sentence is phrased it means that the paradise exists in a planar space, not that the paradise has to be pre-existing. You can't just ignore half of the sentence to fit your argument. Well you can, but you'd be comitting a logic fallacy.
However for the paradise to exist, presumably the extra planar space must also exist.
Again, no-one has said that the planar space doesn't exist.
That it is mutable, taking on the form you desire, does not change that.
And 'Easily' is not so simple. Planeshift or Gate require you to know the space exists, at a minimum and likely you need to know a bit more than that or you could end up in some other similar such space, if the spell works at all. Plus being a 7th level and 9th level spell respectively, it is a bit much to consider being able to cast either in the first place to be 'simple.' Plane Shift needs a tuning fork tuned to the plane. Good luck with that one for such a space. Gate is a 5k diamond every casting. And still likely needs more than 'That plane I visited once'
Again, you are misinterpreting what is being said. I don't know if you do it willfully or maybe English isn't your first language and that causes a problem. Easily is by definition simple. If you have access to Gate or Planeshift and the required components then you can easily use those spells to visit a pre-existing plane. Getting access to those resources might not be simple but that wasn't the claim being made.
And I did argue that the time limit would run whether you are in the space or not, if you leave other than by ending access via the rod.
So I have a lot of questions regarding the Rod of Security Mechanics. I am currently in another campaign for my character it has gotten this very rare magic item and have realized how broken it possibly can be (so long as it’s not nerfed by the DM or so long as I don’t misunderstand it). I’d like to go over it and see what everyone else thinks, and preferable with RAW mechanics.
1.) Once I create a paradise, does it then remain a permanent extraplanar space once I leave? It doesn’t seem to say anywhere that it disappears when I do. It does say that I can imagine the next paradise however, so technically could possibly mean that I am creating another paradise.
2.) if that is the case, and that the paradise is permanent, I was wondering if it is possible to remain in the right security paradise for as long as I want. The reason I ask this is because it says that if I use the action to enter the paradise, than creatures can only stay in there at a max of 200 days. However if I were than to use the plane shift or gate spell, then wouldn’t that mean that I ignore that rule? If the paradise is then permanent, and if I don’t use the action from the right of security, and if I’m able to place shift/gate my way over there, then I could technically stay there so long as I am able to, right?
3.) The reason for this is because my character is a king but he wants to build almost like the ultimate utopia. Technically if he is thinking like this and if he is not stupid and if his imagination is not limited, then couldn’t he technically build/create a whole kingdom so long as he is able to do so? Also, could he technically create fortresses with magical turrets similar to the “Mighty Fortress” 8 Level Spell? Like I said, it just seems limited to the character’s imagination.
4.) If the time limit is removed with the Plane Shift/Gate spell and be able to stay there permanently, does that mean I can bring in as many people as I want to enter the paradise so that they can join my “kingdom”? I could technically “break” the rule and have more than 200 people that can stay there permanently until they leave through the Plane Shift/Gate spell.
These are just some question I have and they all tie together, really. Please just let me know, and preferably with RAW rules and information and not guesses. Thank you!
1) Actually it says 'A paradise that exists.'
No it says " a paradise that exists in an extraplanar space." And then it goes on to say "You choose the form that the paradise takes." This means that the paradise exists in an extraplanar space. The timelimit is still the same and lucky that it is, otherwise you would be contradicting yourself. If your line of thinking was right (which it isn't) then you could easily use Gate or Planeshift to travel to that plane.
If it is a paradise that exists in an extra-planar space that does not exist, that would be quite a trick.
Who said that the planar space does not exist? Are you willfully misinterpreting the rules? The way the sentence is phrased it means that the paradise exists in a planar space, not that the paradise has to be pre-existing. You can't just ignore half of the sentence to fit your argument. Well you can, but you'd be comitting a logic fallacy.
However for the paradise to exist, presumably the extra planar space must also exist.
Again, no-one has said that the planar space doesn't exist.
That it is mutable, taking on the form you desire, does not change that.
And 'Easily' is not so simple. Planeshift or Gate require you to know the space exists, at a minimum and likely you need to know a bit more than that or you could end up in some other similar such space, if the spell works at all. Plus being a 7th level and 9th level spell respectively, it is a bit much to consider being able to cast either in the first place to be 'simple.' Plane Shift needs a tuning fork tuned to the plane. Good luck with that one for such a space. Gate is a 5k diamond every casting. And still likely needs more than 'That plane I visited once'
Again, you are misinterpreting what is being said. I don't know if you do it willfully or maybe English isn't your first language and that causes a problem. Easily is by definition simple. If you have access to Gate or Planeshift and the required components then you can easily use those spells to visit a pre-existing plane. Getting access to those resources might not be simple but that wasn't the claim being made.
And I did argue that the time limit would run whether you are in the space or not, if you leave other than by ending access via the rod.
Good for you.
" If you have access to Gate or Planeshift and the required components then you can easily use those spells to visit a pre-existing plane."
Yes, this is correct.
Glad to see you admit you were wrong.
If you happen to have everything you need, it is easy. What I was trying to say is that getting to that stage where you have everything you need is normally a non-trivial journey.
No-one claimed it was so you're just doing a strawman.
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You had said 'No it says " a paradise that exists in an extraplanar space."' What distinction, exactly, were you trying to make there?
That there is a huge difference between saying that "This thing exists" (presupposes a pre-existing thing" and saying that "this thing exists in this space" (the thing can have been created just now that it exists the place where it exists is defined by "this space"). The description doesn't end after "exists", it ends after "in an extraplanar space."
The question was whether the paradise pre-exists the use of the Rod.
Not if you understand the English languageand read the full sentence.
The extraplanar space similarly may or may not pre-exist the use of the Rod. Clearly it exists after the Rod is used, but that does not mean it existed before the Rod was used.
Again, that is not how the sentence is written. You are ignoring the last part of the sentence.
So, how, exactly does that 'in an extraplanar space' qualifier change any of my logic?
What logic? You have to take into account the entire qualifier which in this case is "exists in an extraplanar space". There is nothing in that sentence that says it has to be a preexisting paradise.
Dear English language expert, please consider this:
Never claimed I was an English expert. No need to for you to become agitated and rude.
This post exists. It is a post that exists and as such it exists for you to reply to. However, before I composed it and posted it, it did not exist.
Different qualifier in a context, different meaning. As has been pointed out to you, you have to read the whole thing. And not just stop when it suits you.
"The rod then instantly transports you and up to 199 other willing creatures you can see to a paradise that exists in an extraplanar space."
Please explain where it say anything there about the existence of either paradise or extraplanar space before using the rod?
Why would I? you were the one implying that the paradise has to be pre-existing.
While it is true that it does not say that it did not exist before then, it does not say that it did exist before then either. All we know is that it exists at the moment the rod carries out the transportation and that it exists as long as visitors are inside the paradise.
So, are you not reading your own words? Because right now you are contradicting yourself in a way that makes any conversation with you on the subject pointess. As a reminder, you wrote (emphasis mine): " Actually it says 'A paradise that exists.' So according to the description, it pre-exists. You are not creating any new paradises. "
I did not have to say that I composed and posted this post for you to be able to interact with it. Similarly, the Rod description does not have to say anything about the existence of the space or paradise before the Rod is used. All that matters to the intended design of the Rod is that at the time of transport and as long as it is occupied by visitors, it exists.
See above.
As for the alleged straw man, you said " and the required components" as if that is a given. The OP just said 'gate or plane shift' without any such stipulation. I had been trying to explain to the OP that those are not automatic assumptions.
Oh so that's why you were quoting my post and adressed me? Because you were really talking to OP. Of course!
Thank you for everyone's inputs! I was kind of rushing this so I accidentally contradicted myself without meaning to, as well as said things that may have made no sense, so thanks for pointing that out. Ill try to be more careful when wording questions and statements.
All my questions have been answered and "I'm satisfied with my care" lol.
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So I have a lot of questions regarding the Rod of Security Mechanics. I am currently in another campaign for my character it has gotten this very rare magic item and have realized how broken it possibly can be (so long as it’s not nerfed by the DM or so long as I don’t misunderstand it). I’d like to go over it and see what everyone else thinks, and preferable with RAW mechanics.
1.) Once I create a paradise, does it then remain a permanent extraplanar space once I leave? It doesn’t seem to say anywhere that it disappears when I do. It does say that I can imagine the next paradise however, so technically could possibly mean that I am creating another paradise.
2.) if that is the case, and that the paradise is permanent, I was wondering if it is possible to remain in the right security paradise for as long as I want. The reason I ask this is because it says that if I use the action to enter the paradise, than creatures can only stay in there at a max of 200 days. However if I were than to use the plane shift or gate spell, then wouldn’t that mean that I ignore that rule? If the paradise is then permanent, and if I don’t use the action from the right of security, and if I’m able to place shift/gate my way over there, then I could technically stay there so long as I am able to, right?
3.) The reason for this is because my character is a king but he wants to build almost like the ultimate utopia. Technically if he is thinking like this and if he is not stupid and if his imagination is not limited, then couldn’t he technically build/create a whole kingdom so long as he is able to do so? Also, could he technically create fortresses with magical turrets similar to the “Mighty Fortress” 8 Level Spell? Like I said, it just seems limited to the character’s imagination.
4.) If the time limit is removed with the Plane Shift/Gate spell and be able to stay there permanently, does that mean I can bring in as many people as I want to enter the paradise so that they can join my “kingdom”? I could technically “break” the rule and have more than 200 people that can stay there permanently until they leave through the Plane Shift/Gate spell.
These are just some question I have and they all tie together, really. Please just let me know, and preferably with RAW rules and information and not guesses. Thank you!
Ok, that makes sense now that you say it like that. If anything my character could just use his paradise as a “temple” for himself. He’s the kind of guy who’d, even if he can’t build a kingdom easily, this would be his getaway where he could just oversee everything with the home brew scrying items that I’ll be allowed to have.
Also, would you say that I can technically I can reject people from entering with the “Gate” spell though? It says in the spell “Deities and other planar rulers can prevent Portals created by this spell from opening in their presence or anywhere within their Domains.” Because I technically created the extraplanar space, would that mean that I could just say “nope” to anyone who would attempt to enter that way? I know Plane Shift is harder since they need a tuning fork that has attuned to my plane specifically, unless they can cast it without the material component.
One thing I feel I should point out is that the Rod of Security describes the user and the other willing creatures targeted as visitors to the extra dimensional paradise. So to me at least this suggests that these spaces exist independent of the rods effects and that the rod or its user did not create our own these spaces.
However the rules don't have much to say about how this works out. So it is really up to the DM to decide how this plays out and you should ultimately ask them.
No it says " a paradise that exists in an extraplanar space." And then it goes on to say "You choose the form that the paradise takes." This means that the paradise exists in an extraplanar space. The timelimit is still the same and lucky that it is, otherwise you would be contradicting yourself. If your line of thinking was right (which it isn't) then you could easily use Gate or Planeshift to travel to that plane.
Who said that the planar space does not exist? Are you willfully misinterpreting the rules? The way the sentence is phrased it means that the paradise exists in a planar space, not that the paradise has to be pre-existing. You can't just ignore half of the sentence to fit your argument. Well you can, but you'd be comitting a logic fallacy.
Again, no-one has said that the planar space doesn't exist.
Again, you are misinterpreting what is being said. I don't know if you do it willfully or maybe English isn't your first language and that causes a problem. Easily is by definition simple. If you have access to Gate or Planeshift and the required components then you can easily use those spells to visit a pre-existing plane. Getting access to those resources might not be simple but that wasn't the claim being made.
Good for you.
Does an "extraplanar space" exist as a separate plane to which you can Gate or Planeshift?
If so, can you Gate or Planeshift into the "extradimensional space" of a bag of holding or similar?
Glad to see you admit you were wrong.
No-one claimed it was so you're just doing a strawman.
That there is a huge difference between saying that "This thing exists" (presupposes a pre-existing thing" and saying that "this thing exists in this space" (the thing can have been created just now that it exists the place where it exists is defined by "this space"). The description doesn't end after "exists", it ends after "in an extraplanar space."
Not if you understand the English languageand read the full sentence.
Again, that is not how the sentence is written. You are ignoring the last part of the sentence.
What logic? You have to take into account the entire qualifier which in this case is "exists in an extraplanar space". There is nothing in that sentence that says it has to be a preexisting paradise.
No, you still don't make any sense.
Never claimed I was an English expert. No need to for you to become agitated and rude.
Different qualifier in a context, different meaning. As has been pointed out to you, you have to read the whole thing. And not just stop when it suits you.
Why would I? you were the one implying that the paradise has to be pre-existing.
So, are you not reading your own words? Because right now you are contradicting yourself in a way that makes any conversation with you on the subject pointess. As a reminder, you wrote (emphasis mine): " Actually it says 'A paradise that exists.' So according to the description, it pre-exists. You are not creating any new paradises. "
See above.
Oh so that's why you were quoting my post and adressed me? Because you were really talking to OP. Of course!
Thank you for everyone's inputs! I was kind of rushing this so I accidentally contradicted myself without meaning to, as well as said things that may have made no sense, so thanks for pointing that out. Ill try to be more careful when wording questions and statements.
All my questions have been answered and "I'm satisfied with my care" lol.
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