Wouldn't it make sense for it to be considered whatever school fits the desired effect?
It's this school of magic because conjuration spells involve the transportation of objects and creatures from one location to another and it may create objects or effects out of nothing.
A) There is no context for a variable spell school in D&D 5e, so to break the mold for Wish would add unnecessary complication.
B) Conjuration is fundamentally the act of "manifesting". While Wish can achieve the effects of other schools of magic, it's effectively creating those effects from nothing, rather than following the normal channels. Kind of like how summoning a Unicorn can lead to healing magic, but the act of summoning is not a healing spell. With wish, the intermediary is magic itself. Or something along those lines.
Wouldn't it make sense for it to be considered whatever school fits the desired effect?
It's this school of magic because conjuration spells involve the transportation of objects and creatures from one location to another and it may create objects or effects out of nothing.
A) There is no context for a variable spell school in D&D 5e, so to break the mold for Wish would add unnecessary complication.
B) Conjuration is fundamentally the act of "manifesting". While Wish can achieve the effects of other schools of magic, it's effectively creating those effects from nothing, rather than following the normal channels. Kind of like how summoning a Unicorn can lead to healing magic, but the act of summoning is not a healing spell. With wish, the intermediary is magic itself. Or something along those lines.
Ah, I see. So Wish is effectively conjuring a different spell, then applying its effects?
Ah, I see. So Wish is effectively conjuring a different spell, then applying its effects?
Sort of. It is probably more like it fits for a lot of schools, but they had to pick one. Personally, I think conjugation was the second best option after evocation, but my personal opinion is not a rule...
Ah, I see. So Wish is effectively conjuring a different spell, then applying its effects?
Sort of. It is probably more like it fits for a lot of schools, but they had to pick one. Personally, I think conjugation was the second best option after evocation, but my personal opinion is not a rule...
It would be nice if there was a Universal spell school, like in older editions. Spells like Dispel Magic, Prestidigitation, and Wish could easily slot into such a school. A Universalist Wizard subclass would be really fun thematically too.
The spell schools are definitely a little tricky to nail down. I know that there was some protesting to healing spells being changed in One D&D to Abjuration instead of Evocation... I feel like either one still makes sense to me, but I think that kind of shows one of the tricky things about separating magic into distinct, individual schools.
The spell schools are definitely a little tricky to nail down. I know that there was some protesting to healing spells being changed in One D&D to Abjuration instead of Evocation... I feel like either one still makes sense to me, but I think that kind of shows one of the tricky things about separating magic into distinct, individual schools.
I guess Abjuration would make sense for healing, though so does Evocation, Conjuration, and Necromancy. Hell, even Transmutation could work.
I think the whole schools of magic could do with a rework. Maybe they could be split into Healing/Warding, Conjuring/Summoning, Transmuting/Changing/Altering, and Illusion/Charms, along with a General/Universal school?
I think the whole schools of magic could do with a rework. Maybe they could be split into Healing/Warding, Conjuring/Summoning, Transmuting/Changing/Altering, and Illusion/Charms, along with a General/Universal school?
So what your saying is they should rework the existing schools into Abjuration, Conjuration, Transmutation, Illusion+Enchantment, and Everything Else? The current Divination, Evocation, and Necromancy would all be lumped together, which is... weird. Illusion and Enchantment being combined makes sense since both mess with people's minds (for the most part), though that would be one long list of spells.
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I think the whole schools of magic could do with a rework. Maybe they could be split into Healing/Warding, Conjuring/Summoning, Transmuting/Changing/Altering, and Illusion/Charms, along with a General/Universal school?
So what your saying is they should rework the existing schools into Abjuration, Conjuration, Transmutation, Illusion+Enchantment, and Everything Else? The current Divination, Evocation, and Necromancy would all be lumped together, which is... weird. Illusion and Enchantment being combined makes sense since both mess with people's minds (for the most part), though that would be one long list of spells.
I'm just throwing ideas around. Resurrection and similar spells would be lumped into healing, reanimating dead would be either Conjuration or Transmutation, Evocation would be considered part of Conjuration, I don't know what Divination would be.
I honestly think The Elder Scrolls did magic quite well. The schools are separated between Alteration (Transmutation), Conjuration (summoning elementals and raising dead), Destruction (elemental spells that deal damage), Enchantment (applying effects to weapons and armour, mostly considered a craft rather than a school), Illusion (equivalent to both Enchantment and Illusion from D&D), and Restoration (healing and magic wards). There also used to be Mysticism, which, as far as I'm aware, was equivalent to Divination, and dealt with trapping the souls of slain foes, but the latter was moved to Conjuration since Skyrim.
Here I'm talking about thematics, so having only 5-6 schools might be weird from a mechanical standpoint.
Wouldn't it make sense for it to be considered whatever school fits the desired effect?
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It's this school of magic because conjuration spells involve the transportation of objects and creatures from one location to another and it may create objects or effects out of nothing.
A) There is no context for a variable spell school in D&D 5e, so to break the mold for Wish would add unnecessary complication.
B) Conjuration is fundamentally the act of "manifesting". While Wish can achieve the effects of other schools of magic, it's effectively creating those effects from nothing, rather than following the normal channels. Kind of like how summoning a Unicorn can lead to healing magic, but the act of summoning is not a healing spell. With wish, the intermediary is magic itself. Or something along those lines.
Ah, I see. So Wish is effectively conjuring a different spell, then applying its effects?
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Sort of. It is probably more like it fits for a lot of schools, but they had to pick one. Personally, I think conjugation was the second best option after evocation, but my personal opinion is not a rule...
It would be nice if there was a Universal spell school, like in older editions. Spells like Dispel Magic, Prestidigitation, and Wish could easily slot into such a school. A Universalist Wizard subclass would be really fun thematically too.
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The spell schools are definitely a little tricky to nail down. I know that there was some protesting to healing spells being changed in One D&D to Abjuration instead of Evocation... I feel like either one still makes sense to me, but I think that kind of shows one of the tricky things about separating magic into distinct, individual schools.
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I guess Abjuration would make sense for healing, though so does Evocation, Conjuration, and Necromancy. Hell, even Transmutation could work.
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I think the whole schools of magic could do with a rework. Maybe they could be split into Healing/Warding, Conjuring/Summoning, Transmuting/Changing/Altering, and Illusion/Charms, along with a General/Universal school?
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So what your saying is they should rework the existing schools into Abjuration, Conjuration, Transmutation, Illusion+Enchantment, and Everything Else? The current Divination, Evocation, and Necromancy would all be lumped together, which is... weird. Illusion and Enchantment being combined makes sense since both mess with people's minds (for the most part), though that would be one long list of spells.
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I'm just throwing ideas around. Resurrection and similar spells would be lumped into healing, reanimating dead would be either Conjuration or Transmutation, Evocation would be considered part of Conjuration, I don't know what Divination would be.
I honestly think The Elder Scrolls did magic quite well. The schools are separated between Alteration (Transmutation), Conjuration (summoning elementals and raising dead), Destruction (elemental spells that deal damage), Enchantment (applying effects to weapons and armour, mostly considered a craft rather than a school), Illusion (equivalent to both Enchantment and Illusion from D&D), and Restoration (healing and magic wards). There also used to be Mysticism, which, as far as I'm aware, was equivalent to Divination, and dealt with trapping the souls of slain foes, but the latter was moved to Conjuration since Skyrim.
Here I'm talking about thematics, so having only 5-6 schools might be weird from a mechanical standpoint.
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