I am in need of some assistance interpreting the Push Weapon Mastery. We are split in the group on how it should work.
Push: "If you hit a creature with this weapon, you can push the creature 10 feet straight away from yourself if it is Large or smaller."
The character utilizing this is using a Pike with its reach. He and another interpret the ruling that it is a ten foot push from where the creature starts. I (DM) interpret this to mean the creature is pushed up to ten feet from the player, so where the player starts. I realize we're only talking about a difference of five feet, but that matters in a game measured by five feet.
P= Player / - =5-foot square / T= Target
Player interpretation:
Before attack: P - T // After attack with push: P - - - T
My interpretation:
Before attack: P - T // After attack with push: P - - T
Thoughts and perspectives on the two above interpretations are appreciated!!
Considering the wording on push mastery matches the wording on repelling blast, I would say that "up to 10 feet straight away from you" really does mean from their initial position, no matter how many feet are between you and that creature to start.
That is to say, you can push them 10 feet in a direction that is away from you, and not a total of 10 feet away from your location.
Side question...the description says "...can push the creature...". Is there a DC or other type of check after the weapon attack? If the player is small or medium, can it still push the large creature/enemy despite size difference?
Side question...the description says "...can push the creature...". Is there a DC or other type of check after the weapon attack? If the player is small or medium, can it still push the large creature/enemy despite size difference?
Does any Weapon Mastery ability require a DC? Can a small player still use a great sword? It appears that size difference is no longer relevant.
Side question...the description says "...can push the creature...". Is there a DC or other type of check after the weapon attack? If the player is small or medium, can it still push the large creature/enemy despite size difference?
Does any Weapon Mastery ability require a DC? Can a small player still use a great sword? It appears that size difference is no longer relevant.
Topple requires a save.
But with push, the size difference doesn’t matter. At least this power has the cap of large creature. A halfling with sentinel feat can stop the tarrasque. (Which I’m really fine with. It’s a fantasy game not an attempt to simulate reality.)
Side question...the description says "...can push the creature...". Is there a DC or other type of check after the weapon attack? If the player is small or medium, can it still push the large creature/enemy despite size difference?
No d20 Test DC is made to Push this way, it occur automatically and without any size limitation on the wielder.
Side question...the description says "...can push the creature...". Is there a DC or other type of check after the weapon attack? If the player is small or medium, can it still push the large creature/enemy despite size difference?
Does any Weapon Mastery ability require a DC? Can a small player still use a great sword? It appears that size difference is no longer relevant.
Topple requires a save.
But with push, the size difference doesn’t matter. At least this power has the cap of large creature. A halfling with sentinel feat can stop the tarrasque. (Which I’m really fine with. It’s a fantasy game not an attempt to simulate reality.)
I interpret the Sentinel stop not as physically stopping the monster but taunting it / getting its attention by hitting it. e.g. 12 year old kids can stop 1.5 ton horses by getting their attention with a whip.
If there is a vote, i vote for 10 feet from where the target started.
There are some ranged weapons that have Push weapon mastery (heavy crosbow). It would be weird if it only pushed up to 10 feet from the attacker. And it would be weird if melee weapon Push had different rules from ranged weapon Push.
Considering the wording on push mastery matches the wording on repelling blast, I would say that "up to 10 feet straight away from you" really does mean from their initial position, no matter how many feet are between you and that creature to start.
That is to say, you can push them 10 feet in a direction that is away from you, and not a total of 10 feet away from your location.
Apologies for hopping on the necromancy train, but I am not sure I understand the ruling given here.
Push will push them 10 feet from their starting position with no limit on their final position. "Straight away from you" sets the direction of the movement. As long as the target can move in that direction, each hit with a Push weapon will move the target 10 feet, or as much of that distance possible. Reach doesn't matter in terms of how far they are moved, only for if the initial attack can be made. An opportunity attack with Sentinel + Push can result in a Large or smaller creature not having a target within its reach and a speed of 0, unable to move into reach.
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I am in need of some assistance interpreting the Push Weapon Mastery. We are split in the group on how it should work.
Push: "If you hit a creature with this weapon, you can push the creature 10 feet straight away from yourself if it is Large or smaller."
The character utilizing this is using a Pike with its reach. He and another interpret the ruling that it is a ten foot push from where the creature starts. I (DM) interpret this to mean the creature is pushed up to ten feet from the player, so where the player starts. I realize we're only talking about a difference of five feet, but that matters in a game measured by five feet.
P= Player / - =5-foot square / T= Target
Player interpretation:
Before attack: P - T // After attack with push: P - - - T
My interpretation:
Before attack: P - T // After attack with push: P - - T
Thoughts and perspectives on the two above interpretations are appreciated!!
Thank you!
Considering the wording on push mastery matches the wording on repelling blast, I would say that "up to 10 feet straight away from you" really does mean from their initial position, no matter how many feet are between you and that creature to start.
That is to say, you can push them 10 feet in a direction that is away from you, and not a total of 10 feet away from your location.
Thank you! You are the second source referencing repelling blast, so that's the ruling I'll move forward with.
Side question...the description says "...can push the creature...". Is there a DC or other type of check after the weapon attack? If the player is small or medium, can it still push the large creature/enemy despite size difference?
Does any Weapon Mastery ability require a DC? Can a small player still use a great sword? It appears that size difference is no longer relevant.
Topple requires a save.
But with push, the size difference doesn’t matter. At least this power has the cap of large creature. A halfling with sentinel feat can stop the tarrasque. (Which I’m really fine with. It’s a fantasy game not an attempt to simulate reality.)
No d20 Test DC is made to Push this way, it occur automatically and without any size limitation on the wielder.
I interpret the Sentinel stop not as physically stopping the monster but taunting it / getting its attention by hitting it. e.g. 12 year old kids can stop 1.5 ton horses by getting their attention with a whip.
If there is a vote, i vote for 10 feet from where the target started.
There are some ranged weapons that have Push weapon mastery (heavy crosbow). It would be weird if it only pushed up to 10 feet from the attacker. And it would be weird if melee weapon Push had different rules from ranged weapon Push.
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Apologies for hopping on the necromancy train, but I am not sure I understand the ruling given here.
Push will push them 10 feet from their starting position with no limit on their final position. "Straight away from you" sets the direction of the movement. As long as the target can move in that direction, each hit with a Push weapon will move the target 10 feet, or as much of that distance possible. Reach doesn't matter in terms of how far they are moved, only for if the initial attack can be made. An opportunity attack with Sentinel + Push can result in a Large or smaller creature not having a target within its reach and a speed of 0, unable to move into reach.
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