I know there's nothing stopping me from using the squeezing rules from the 2014 ruleset, but I'm disappointed that it doesn't seem to have carried over into 2024.
Unless I'm missing where they put it? Couldn't find it anywhere.
ie: this is the 2014 rule:
Squeezing into a Smaller Space
A creature can squeeze through a space that is large enough for a creature one size smaller than it. Thus, a Large creature can squeeze through a passage that’s only 5 feet wide. While squeezing through a space, a creature must spend 1 extra foot for every foot it moves there, and it has disadvantage on attack rolls and Dexterity saving throws. Attack rolls against the creature have advantage while it’s in the smaller space.
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It was simple to adjudicate, easy to remember, and internally consistent. Now... a creature that barely fits through a hallway apparently suffers not at all tactically. Sigh.
There are no explicit rules for squeezing that I can find, but the rules for creature size do tell us that a creature's space is 'the area it needs to fight effectively', so presumably trying to fit in a smaller area has penalties of some sort.
If you can't find a rule, check the index. If a rule's name has changed from what was printed in the 2014 Player's Handbook, the index points you to the new name. For example, if you look up Inspiration in the index, it points you to the rules for Heroic Inspiration in the rules glossary.
And the term squeezing points to Difficult Terrain:
If a space is Difficult Terrain, every foot of movement in that space costs 1 extra foot. For example, moving 5 feet through Difficult Terrain costs 10 feet of movement. Difficult Terrain isn’t cumulative; either a space is Difficult Terrain or it isn’t.
A space is Difficult Terrain if the space contains any of the following or something similar:
A creature that isn’t Tiny or your ally
Furniture that is sized for creatures of your size or larger
Heavy snow, ice, rubble, or undergrowth
Liquid that’s between shin- and waist-deep
A narrow opening sized for a creature one size smaller than you
Yup. It just ticks me off. Either a creature _needs_ the full area of its size for combat or it doesn't. Without a penalty, it doesn't make any internal or external sense. A bewildering gap. Still loving the ruleset. But they've really got some head-scratchers.
There are no explicit rules for squeezing that I can find, but the rules for creature size do tell us that a creature's space is 'the area it needs to fight effectively', so presumably trying to fit in a smaller area has penalties of some sort.
That's my point. There's literally no rule that states a penalty for trying to fight while constrained in that way (besides it being difficult terrain). And there was a penalty in the 2014 rules.
I could see a world where in trying to move squeezing out of its own rules and folding it into difficult terrain, they forgot to move the disadvantage as well. Who knows. Maybe we'll see it in the next errata.
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I know there's nothing stopping me from using the squeezing rules from the 2014 ruleset, but I'm disappointed that it doesn't seem to have carried over into 2024.
Unless I'm missing where they put it? Couldn't find it anywhere.
ie: this is the 2014 rule:
Squeezing into a Smaller Space
A creature can squeeze through a space that is large enough for a creature one size smaller than it. Thus, a Large creature can squeeze through a passage that’s only 5 feet wide. While squeezing through a space, a creature must spend 1 extra foot for every foot it moves there, and it has disadvantage on attack rolls and Dexterity saving throws. Attack rolls against the creature have advantage while it’s in the smaller space.
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It was simple to adjudicate, easy to remember, and internally consistent. Now... a creature that barely fits through a hallway apparently suffers not at all tactically. Sigh.
There are no explicit rules for squeezing that I can find, but the rules for creature size do tell us that a creature's space is 'the area it needs to fight effectively', so presumably trying to fit in a smaller area has penalties of some sort.
There's something. The sidebar What's new in the 2024 Version? says:
And the term squeezing points to Difficult Terrain:
Difficult Terrain (emphasis mine):
But yeah, no Disadvantage.
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Yup. It just ticks me off. Either a creature _needs_ the full area of its size for combat or it doesn't. Without a penalty, it doesn't make any internal or external sense. A bewildering gap. Still loving the ruleset. But they've really got some head-scratchers.
That's my point. There's literally no rule that states a penalty for trying to fight while constrained in that way (besides it being difficult terrain). And there was a penalty in the 2014 rules.
I could see a world where in trying to move squeezing out of its own rules and folding it into difficult terrain, they forgot to move the disadvantage as well. Who knows. Maybe we'll see it in the next errata.