I wonder how the Spell Magic Jar, would interact with Lichdom in general?
For example as they described in this Article on here, it takes 2 Steps. Creating a "Spirit Jar" what takes 10 Days and creating the "Death Potion" what takes 3 Days. After both are prepared you can use the Spell Imprisonment to bind your Soul to the Spirit Jar if i understand the description in the Monster Manuel 2014 right on Side 203. They also name different examples as what can be a Spirit Jar. Like a Dragon Corpse or a gem like a black sapphire. And for Mystic Jar says that "container you used for the spell's material component" and the Material Components say just like the Spirit Jar that it can be a Gem or Crystal.
Now i wonder what happens if i try to combine both? Like the Magic Jar doesn't say anything about what happens in this case. It only explains what happens if the possessed body dies, if i want to return to the Jar or if the container gets destroyed.
A similar case is explained in the Dragon Magazine 344 on Side 89-90 just for a Dracolich and the potion is replaced with drinking from the "Well of Dragons".
So is the possessed Creatures Soul just gone, if i use the same gem i used for Magic Jar for the Spirit Jar preparation? So that i can then later use the gem to turn myself into a Lich? Or would something stop me from doing this? Like the Soul being to strong or something like that.
So, a couple things. Firstly, anything appearing in an article on here isn't actually a rule, it's basically just one person's idea. Essentially, a homebrew, so don't expect to get fa with your Dm with the argument that you saw it in an article here. Second, that issue of dragon magazine came out in 2006, so we're talking 3rd edition, so anything in there is no longer relevant (anything pre-2014 doesn't matter, really).
The bit from Ravenloft the article refers to is a bit trickier, as it is actually a 5th edition product, and officially published by WotC. so, you could argue it is a RAW way to become a lich. But it's certainly not the only way to become one. The rules have always been kind of vague on how to do it. If you note, the description in Ravenloft is also pretty vague: make a spirit jar, brew a potion. There's no instructions about how to actually do either of those things. This is largely because characters are not meant to become liches. So, the game developers don't write down instructions, because if it's written down, people will want to do it, and it will make the game a hassle. But, if a DM wants an NPC to become a lich, or a PC for that matter, they can always create a method which works in their campaign world.
But I don't think that's actually the question. if I understand the question correctly, you are asking if a lich can use the jar from a magic jar spell as their phylactery. I think this would fall firmly under the category of a DM ruling. The rules don't really specify how it would work, or if it could, and as I said above, there's no real instructions for how to become a lich. Which basically means, ask your DM. Personally, I don't think I'd allow it. A lich's phylactery is a permanent item which holds the lich's soul, and occasionally has to have someone else's put in it. A magic jar is something souls can move in and out of. The lich's phylactery is more of a 1-way trip.
But isn't it something official since the person who wrote it is from the office team? Even yes it's mostly vague there but still they tell you how a player can do it. And yes I know that it is from an older DnD version but I thought since it is still something official there is surely a way to "convert" it into 5th edition.
And the question was basically if I try to use the Magic Jar Gem and trying to turn it into a Phylactery/ Spirit Jar. Would the Soul of the Creature I possessed just Vanish and would the conversion from Magic Jar to Spirit Jar work?
So basically it would no longer function like a Magic Jar and only like a Phylactery.
Just because someone official wrote something doesn’t mean it’s canon anymore, writing teams change overtime and may remove old ideas from the current edition. Mixing Magic Jar and a phylactery isn’t covered within the rules nor the lore, so everything we discuss is purely speculation.
The phylactery would probably devour the soul of the person inside the gem, as is how most liches are sustained, so if you don’t want that to happen, I would not recommend putting a soul inside the equivalent of a shredder.
But isn't it something official since the person who wrote it is from the office team? Even yes it's mostly vague there but still they tell you how a player can do it.
No. Dndbeyond writers do not make any official rules. Only books are official. And, as I said, the suggestions in Ravenloft are so vague as to be useless to a player. "Craft a phylactery" and "craft a potion" aren't something that's written down anywhere how to do. So, you need DM approval. (And, I'll note those instructions also specifically say that if a PC does become a lich, they then become an NPC under the DM's control.)
Also, the most recent version of the lich, the '24 Monster manual, says "The process of becoming a lich is involved, dangerous, and unique to each would-be lich." Unique. So, the way it works in Ravenloft, by definition, won't work for anyone else.
And yes I know that it is from an older DnD version but I thought since it is still something official there is surely a way to "convert" it into 5th edition.
There is not an official conversion.
And the question was basically if I try to use the Magic Jar Gem and trying to turn it into a Phylactery/ Spirit Jar. Would the Soul of the Creature I possessed just Vanish and would the conversion from Magic Jar to Spirit Jar work?
So basically it would no longer function like a Magic Jar and only like a Phylactery.
Again, ask your DM. As there are no rules for making a phylactery (or Spirit jar as they are called in '24) The way to make one would be entirely up to how they want to do it in their world.
But isn't it something official since the person who wrote it is from the office team? Even yes it's mostly vague there but still they tell you how a player can do it. And yes I know that it is from an older DnD version but I thought since it is still something official there is surely a way to "convert" it into 5th edition.
To note: Between editions, changes to the rules are often explained by changes to the fabric of reality. For instance, the changes between 3.5e/4e/5e are largely explained by Karsus having his big "oops" moment and the Spellplague. So even if something back then WAS canon, that doesn't mean it applies anymore.
An example: The Shadowfell used to be known as the Plane of Shadow. For 4e, it was renamed as events led to energy from the Negative Energy Plane infusing into the Plane of Shadow, creating fundamental changes within it. So the Plane of Shadow no longer truly exists.
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I wonder how the Spell Magic Jar, would interact with Lichdom in general?
For example as they described in this Article on here, it takes 2 Steps. Creating a "Spirit Jar" what takes 10 Days and creating the "Death Potion" what takes 3 Days. After both are prepared you can use the Spell Imprisonment to bind your Soul to the Spirit Jar if i understand the description in the Monster Manuel 2014 right on Side 203. They also name different examples as what can be a Spirit Jar. Like a Dragon Corpse or a gem like a black sapphire. And for Mystic Jar says that "container you used for the spell's material component" and the Material Components say just like the Spirit Jar that it can be a Gem or Crystal.
Now i wonder what happens if i try to combine both? Like the Magic Jar doesn't say anything about what happens in this case. It only explains what happens if the possessed body dies, if i want to return to the Jar or if the container gets destroyed.
A similar case is explained in the Dragon Magazine 344 on Side 89-90 just for a Dracolich and the potion is replaced with drinking from the "Well of Dragons".
So is the possessed Creatures Soul just gone, if i use the same gem i used for Magic Jar for the Spirit Jar preparation? So that i can then later use the gem to turn myself into a Lich? Or would something stop me from doing this? Like the Soul being to strong or something like that.
So, a couple things. Firstly, anything appearing in an article on here isn't actually a rule, it's basically just one person's idea. Essentially, a homebrew, so don't expect to get fa with your Dm with the argument that you saw it in an article here. Second, that issue of dragon magazine came out in 2006, so we're talking 3rd edition, so anything in there is no longer relevant (anything pre-2014 doesn't matter, really).
The bit from Ravenloft the article refers to is a bit trickier, as it is actually a 5th edition product, and officially published by WotC. so, you could argue it is a RAW way to become a lich. But it's certainly not the only way to become one. The rules have always been kind of vague on how to do it. If you note, the description in Ravenloft is also pretty vague: make a spirit jar, brew a potion. There's no instructions about how to actually do either of those things. This is largely because characters are not meant to become liches. So, the game developers don't write down instructions, because if it's written down, people will want to do it, and it will make the game a hassle. But, if a DM wants an NPC to become a lich, or a PC for that matter, they can always create a method which works in their campaign world.
But I don't think that's actually the question. if I understand the question correctly, you are asking if a lich can use the jar from a magic jar spell as their phylactery. I think this would fall firmly under the category of a DM ruling. The rules don't really specify how it would work, or if it could, and as I said above, there's no real instructions for how to become a lich. Which basically means, ask your DM. Personally, I don't think I'd allow it. A lich's phylactery is a permanent item which holds the lich's soul, and occasionally has to have someone else's put in it. A magic jar is something souls can move in and out of. The lich's phylactery is more of a 1-way trip.
But isn't it something official since the person who wrote it is from the office team? Even yes it's mostly vague there but still they tell you how a player can do it. And yes I know that it is from an older DnD version but I thought since it is still something official there is surely a way to "convert" it into 5th edition.
And the question was basically if I try to use the Magic Jar Gem and trying to turn it into a Phylactery/ Spirit Jar. Would the Soul of the Creature I possessed just Vanish and would the conversion from Magic Jar to Spirit Jar work?
So basically it would no longer function like a Magic Jar and only like a Phylactery.
Just because someone official wrote something doesn’t mean it’s canon anymore, writing teams change overtime and may remove old ideas from the current edition. Mixing Magic Jar and a phylactery isn’t covered within the rules nor the lore, so everything we discuss is purely speculation.
The phylactery would probably devour the soul of the person inside the gem, as is how most liches are sustained, so if you don’t want that to happen, I would not recommend putting a soul inside the equivalent of a shredder.
No. Dndbeyond writers do not make any official rules. Only books are official. And, as I said, the suggestions in Ravenloft are so vague as to be useless to a player. "Craft a phylactery" and "craft a potion" aren't something that's written down anywhere how to do. So, you need DM approval. (And, I'll note those instructions also specifically say that if a PC does become a lich, they then become an NPC under the DM's control.)
Also, the most recent version of the lich, the '24 Monster manual, says "The process of becoming a lich is involved, dangerous, and unique to each would-be lich." Unique. So, the way it works in Ravenloft, by definition, won't work for anyone else.
There is not an official conversion.
Again, ask your DM. As there are no rules for making a phylactery (or Spirit jar as they are called in '24) The way to make one would be entirely up to how they want to do it in their world.
To note: Between editions, changes to the rules are often explained by changes to the fabric of reality. For instance, the changes between 3.5e/4e/5e are largely explained by Karsus having his big "oops" moment and the Spellplague. So even if something back then WAS canon, that doesn't mean it applies anymore.
An example: The Shadowfell used to be known as the Plane of Shadow. For 4e, it was renamed as events led to energy from the Negative Energy Plane infusing into the Plane of Shadow, creating fundamental changes within it. So the Plane of Shadow no longer truly exists.