Take is a stage further, what about bless, if a blessed creature attacks an enemy the enemy can be affected by the spell so if you define target as anyyone affected by the spell then anyone hit by a blessed creature is a target of the bless spell.
Take is a stage further, what about bless, if a blessed creature attacks an enemy the enemy can be affected by the spell so if you define target as anyyone affected by the spell then anyone hit by a blessed creature is a target of the bless spell.
No, in your Bless example the enemy is not being affected the spell. The effect of the spell is getting to add a d4 to attack rolls and saving throws. If someone isn’t getting to add a d4 to attack rolls and saving throws, they’re not being affected by the spell and they’re not a target.
No, they are concentration spells. You can only have one at a time. You can't keep up two concentration spells, so the mount must maintain concentration.
No, they are concentration spells. You can only have one at a time. You can't keep up two concentration spells, so the mount must maintain concentration.
As I literally just said :P, it is only one spell. That one spell has two targets.
Twinned Spell and Find Steed work the same way (a single spell with one target now has two targets). The Beast Master feature works just a little differently (a spell that targets the player also affects the beast).
But yeah, agree that in all three scenarios, there's only one concentration being maintained, by the player not the beast/steed/whatever, because there's only one "spell".
Twinned Spell:
Twinned Spell
When you cast a spell that targets only one creature and doesn’t have a range of self, you can spend a number of sorcery points equal to the spell’s level to target a second creature in range with the same spell (1 sorcery point if the spell is a cantrip).
While mounted on your steed, you can make any spell you cast that targets only you also target your steed.
Beastmaster Share Spells:
Share Spells
Beginning at 15th level, when you cast a spell targeting yourself, you can also affect your beast companion with the spell if the beast is within 30 feet of you.
Take is a stage further, what about bless, if a blessed creature attacks an enemy the enemy can be affected by the spell so if you define target as anyyone affected by the spell then anyone hit by a blessed creature is a target of the bless spell.
No, in your Bless example the enemy is not being affected the spell. The effect of the spell is getting to add a d4 to attack rolls and saving throws. If someone isn’t getting to add a d4 to attack rolls and saving throws, they’re not being affected by the spell and they’re not a target.
No, but Dragon’s Breath might have made their point. If Burning Hands targets the enemies it burns, then would DB as well?
(no to both, but again, showing spells are weird)
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Wouldn't the steed be responsible for maintaining concentration since it says "also" meaning a separate spell?
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No. It’s the same instance of the spell, just with an additional target. It’s like the sorcerer’s Twinned Spell metamagic.
No, they are concentration spells. You can only have one at a time. You can't keep up two concentration spells, so the mount must maintain concentration.
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As I literally just said :P, it is only one spell. That one spell has two targets.
Twinned Spell and Find Steed work the same way (a single spell with one target now has two targets). The Beast Master feature works just a little differently (a spell that targets the player also affects the beast).
But yeah, agree that in all three scenarios, there's only one concentration being maintained, by the player not the beast/steed/whatever, because there's only one "spell".
Twinned Spell:
Find Steed:
Beastmaster Share Spells:
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Here’s a video of JC Talking about spells, range, and targets. I think it pretty much puts to rest all the questions in this thread.
https://youtu.be/xUOaQ_XY7wE