Did they errata True Strike to remove "on your next turn"? This could have finally, finally been its time to shine, but I doubt they thought to do it :p
I'm not happy with you right now. You got my hopes up that they actually did this :(
Even Cantrips like Ray of Frost that are specifically listed under the ATTACK action? I would think that ANY attack listed under the ATTACK Action would count.
Even Cantrips like Ray of Frost that are specifically listed under the ATTACK action? I would think that ANY attack listed under the ATTACK Action would count.
No cantrip is listed under the Attack action (nothing is really "listed" under the Attack action; it just has a description of what taking the Attack action lets you do, so I'm not really sure what you mean). Casting a spell is always the Cast a Spell action.
I'm trying to figure out if its possible to share a screen shot in this thread, but on the character sheet, under actions, under Attack, it list Ray of Frost, along with weapons and unarmed attacks. The spell casting section is seperate, even though it also lists ray of frost on there as well. But my thought would be that if an attack is listed under Actions and under Attack, it should be allowed to be used in junction with Extra Attack. Also this is in reference to Artificer.
I'm trying to figure out if its possible to share a screen shot in this thread, but on the character sheet, under actions, under Attack, it list Ray of Frost, along with weapons and unarmed attacks. The spell casting section is seperate, even though it also lists ray of frost on there as well. But my thought would be that if an attack is listed under Actions and under Attack, it should be allowed to be used in junction with Extra Attack. Also this is in reference to Artificer.
Attacks =/= Attack action. The DDB character sheet allows for grouping a whole bunch of different weapons/spells/features that do damage together in one place. If you click on the "customize" dropdown for any of your spells, you'll see there's an option to "display as attack". It's merely for convenience, and has absolutely no rule interactions whatsoever.
The Attack action is a very specific action. It allows you to make melee/ranged attacks when you use that action. When you cast a cantrip or leveled spell, you are taking the [Tooltip Not Found] action.
The Extra Attack feature =/= extra action. It means, when you take the Attack action, you can make two melee/ranged attacks instead of one. It does not give you the ability to take more than one action.
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Have I done this correctly? I have : Sneak attack, extra attack, and gloom stalker dread ambush. trying to figgure out if in one attack round my routine is correct?
1) Sneak attack using Bow and getting Favored Foe 2) Normal attack using Bow (still getting Favored Foe) 3) Dread Ambush using Bow 4) Extra attack using bow and Ensnaring strike.
Its My DM's first time DMing and he suggested I ask you all. He belives i need to take out 2) being there is no normal attack
PS: Its been wild getting back into DND, I played in 45 years ago for about 3 years and now My son has started playing and asked me to join. BTW My son is the DM I am talking about. also Thank you in advance
Have I done this correctly? I have : Sneak attack, extra attack, and gloom stalker dread ambush. trying to figgure out if in one attack round my routine is correct?
1) Sneak attack using Bow and getting Favored Foe 2) Normal attack using Bow (still getting Favored Foe) 3) Dread Ambush using Bow 4) Extra attack using bow and Ensnaring strike.
Its My DM's first time DMing and he suggested I ask you all. He belives i need to take out 2) being there is no normal attack
PS: Its been wild getting back into DND, I played in 45 years ago for about 3 years and now My son has started playing and asked me to join. BTW My son is the DM I am talking about. also Thank you in advance
Sneak attack isn't an additional attack. It's extra damage you can, under certain circumstances, add to an attack you get otherwise. As a Gloomstalker with Extra Attack, you get the two attacks you get every round when you take the Attack action, and on the first turn of the combat, you get a third attack with that action. To one of these attacks that hits, you can add your sneak attack damage if you meet the situational requirements for sneak attack.
Have I done this correctly? I have : Sneak attack, extra attack, and gloom stalker dread ambush. trying to figgure out if in one attack round my routine is correct?
1) Sneak attack using Bow and getting Favored Foe 2) Normal attack using Bow (still getting Favored Foe) 3) Dread Ambush using Bow 4) Extra attack using bow and Ensnaring strike.
Its My DM's first time DMing and he suggested I ask you all. He belives i need to take out 2) being there is no normal attack
PS: Its been wild getting back into DND, I played in 45 years ago for about 3 years and now My son has started playing and asked me to join. BTW My son is the DM I am talking about. also Thank you in advance
Saga has it right. You would basically take out #1. And on 2, 3, or 4, if sneak attack requirements are met add the damage to one of those hits.
But you can take 2 level in fighter to get the action surge that will give you an extra action. That can be use to cast two spells in one turn. Note: Action Surge is a free action that only provide one action, no movement or no bonus action. It can only use after you take your first action.
Can you cast two spells in one turn action surge?
No more than 2 spells in a round basically. You can do a max of 4 spells per round (only 3 in 1 turn though). If you cast a spell as a BA, you can only cast cantrips as an action, but that is still 2 more spells (cantrips) with action surge (3 total). After your turn, you can cast reaction spells again.
For example, you cast a Bonus action spell like shillelagh, then you can only cast a cantrip as part of your action so if you want to cast another spell, you could cast booming blade. You then use Action Surge, it gives another action that you can take to cast fireball. You can also cast another spell as a Reaction like shield or counterspell.
I think I'm confused. I understand the whole cantrip thing but then why is my Fire Bolt and Ray of Frost cantrips in the attack category if I can't used them more than the one time? That's a pretty confusing thing to do if you can't actually use them twice.
I think I'm confused. I understand the whole cantrip thing but then why is my Fire Bolt and Ray of Frost cantrips in the attack category if I can't used them more than the one time? That's a pretty confusing thing to do if you can't actually use them twice.
These cantrips are in the "attack" category on the D&D Beyond character sheet because they involve making an attack roll.
Because they're spells with a casting time of 1 action, you cast them by taking the Magic action. The "Extra Attack" feature lets you make more than one attack when you take the Attack action; it doesn't apply to other actions like the Magic action, even if those actions involve making attacks.
An attack and the Attack action are not the same thing. Any time you are rolling a d20 (and adding modifiers) against a target's AC, you are making an attack. This could be done by casting a spell through the Magic action, or by attacking with a weapon with the Attack action, as well as other ways.
The attack category on your character sheet simply lists your available attacks, and is not saying what you are able to do via the Attack action. The rules for the Attack and Magic actions - as well as others - can be found by clicking on them in the "Actions in Combat" section of the actions tab on your DDB character sheet.
A related answer is in the SAC if it helps Darkosy, but I think folks above explained it pretty well:
Can a spell with an attack roll be used as the attack in the Attack action or as part of the Extra Attack feature?
No. As explained in the Player’s Handbook, you can take one action on your turn in combat, in addition to moving. You choose your action from the options available to everyone—options such as Attack, Dash, and Magic—or you choose from among the special actions you’ve gained from a class or another source.
To cast a spell on your turn, you take the Magic action. Doing so means you’re not taking the Attack action or any other action. It is true that a number of spells, such as Fire Bolt and Ray of Frost, involve making an attack roll, but you can’t make such an attack without first casting the spell that delivers it. In other words, just because something involves an attack roll doesn’t mean the Attack action is being used.
By extension, the Extra Attack feature (given by several classes, including the Fighter and Paladin) doesn’t let you cast extra attack spells. That feature specifically relies on the Attack action, not the Magic action or any other action.
In summary, to make a spell attack, you have to first cast a spell or use a feature that creates the spell’s effect. A game feature, such as Extra Attack, that lets you make an attack doesn’t let you cast a spell unless it says it does.
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I'm not happy with you right now. You got my hopes up that they actually did this :(
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Yes you are correct. The page reference is within the Bladesinger section of the book.
Even Cantrips like Ray of Frost that are specifically listed under the ATTACK action? I would think that ANY attack listed under the ATTACK Action would count.
No cantrip is listed under the Attack action (nothing is really "listed" under the Attack action; it just has a description of what taking the Attack action lets you do, so I'm not really sure what you mean). Casting a spell is always the Cast a Spell action.
I'm trying to figure out if its possible to share a screen shot in this thread, but on the character sheet, under actions, under Attack, it list Ray of Frost, along with weapons and unarmed attacks. The spell casting section is seperate, even though it also lists ray of frost on there as well. But my thought would be that if an attack is listed under Actions and under Attack, it should be allowed to be used in junction with Extra Attack. Also this is in reference to Artificer.
I fully accept I'm misunderstanding and that I'm in the wrong thought train, but it just would make sense to me.
The character sheet is not the rules.
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Attacks =/= Attack action. The DDB character sheet allows for grouping a whole bunch of different weapons/spells/features that do damage together in one place. If you click on the "customize" dropdown for any of your spells, you'll see there's an option to "display as attack". It's merely for convenience, and has absolutely no rule interactions whatsoever.
The Attack action is a very specific action. It allows you to make melee/ranged attacks when you use that action. When you cast a cantrip or leveled spell, you are taking the [Tooltip Not Found] action.
The Extra Attack feature =/= extra action. It means, when you take the Attack action, you can make two melee/ranged attacks instead of one. It does not give you the ability to take more than one action.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Have I done this correctly? I have : Sneak attack, extra attack, and gloom stalker dread ambush. trying to figgure out if in one attack round my routine is correct?
1) Sneak attack using Bow and getting Favored Foe 2) Normal attack using Bow (still getting Favored Foe) 3) Dread Ambush using Bow 4) Extra attack using bow and Ensnaring strike.
Its My DM's first time DMing and he suggested I ask you all. He belives i need to take out 2) being there is no normal attack
PS: Its been wild getting back into DND, I played in 45 years ago for about 3 years and now My son has started playing and asked me to join. BTW My son is the DM I am talking about. also Thank you in advance
Sneak attack isn't an additional attack. It's extra damage you can, under certain circumstances, add to an attack you get otherwise. As a Gloomstalker with Extra Attack, you get the two attacks you get every round when you take the Attack action, and on the first turn of the combat, you get a third attack with that action. To one of these attacks that hits, you can add your sneak attack damage if you meet the situational requirements for sneak attack.
Saga has it right. You would basically take out #1. And on 2, 3, or 4, if sneak attack requirements are met add the damage to one of those hits.
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Thank you very much Saga!
thank you very much ThriKreen, They way you broke it down cleared it up in my mind better
But you can take 2 level in fighter to get the action surge that will give you an extra action. That can be use to cast two spells in one turn.
Note: Action Surge is a free action that only provide one action, no movement or no bonus action. It can only use after you take your first action.
You can also cast another spell as a Reaction like shield or counterspell.
I think I'm confused. I understand the whole cantrip thing but then why is my Fire Bolt and Ray of Frost cantrips in the attack category if I can't used them more than the one time? That's a pretty confusing thing to do if you can't actually use them twice.
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These cantrips are in the "attack" category on the D&D Beyond character sheet because they involve making an attack roll.
Because they're spells with a casting time of 1 action, you cast them by taking the Magic action. The "Extra Attack" feature lets you make more than one attack when you take the Attack action; it doesn't apply to other actions like the Magic action, even if those actions involve making attacks.
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An attack and the Attack action are not the same thing. Any time you are rolling a d20 (and adding modifiers) against a target's AC, you are making an attack. This could be done by casting a spell through the Magic action, or by attacking with a weapon with the Attack action, as well as other ways.
The attack category on your character sheet simply lists your available attacks, and is not saying what you are able to do via the Attack action. The rules for the Attack and Magic actions - as well as others - can be found by clicking on them in the "Actions in Combat" section of the actions tab on your DDB character sheet.
A related answer is in the SAC if it helps Darkosy, but I think folks above explained it pretty well: