Hello everyone, I decided to join the worlds of DnD, and I had this question - how does the magic of dragons work? Dragons are creatures that are full of magic. And the magic of many races is tied to Weave. And how will the dragon magic behave if the Weave is broken? How will they even feel? What will happen to the actions of their lair, with such abilities as changing shape and turning into an elf or a human, for example?
My Forgotten Realms lore is not as complete as others on this site I’m sure. However from what I know, Dragons can function just fine even when the weave doesn’t exist. On Abeir, the twin planet of Toril (the main planet of the forgotten realms), there is no weave, and the only true means of using magic are either from powerful artifacts or from those who have innate magical abilities like how sorcerers, elementals and dragons have.
Also another thing to consider is that a dragon’s breath weapon isn’t actually magical by nature, and can be used even in areas with anti-magic effects in place.
That's just the book of rules dnd 5 edition says that sorcerers also use Weave. This seems strange, considering that their magic is innate.
Ah, I didn't know that Sorcerers use the weave too. It is a bit weird but I can understand the logic somewhat.
It's not that weird. Wizards study ways to engineer ways to draw from the weave. Clerics, Paladins, Rangers etc have some sort of intermediary (a God, "nature", the Oath they serve) that grants them access to the weave. Warlocks are a little bit study a little bit patronage. Bards "song" (broadly construed) draws out the weave. Sorcerers something about "their blood" or something else them imbues them as a conduit for the weave. They're literally in touch with it, probably why wild magic and draconic bloodlines were the the initial Sorcerer subclasses. It's sort of why one of their class features is Font magic. Think of the weave as "The Force" though most require great study or divine favor to use it, Sorcerers are literally bonded to it.
And dragons, then, are a source of magic in themselves, and therefore they do not depend on Weave?
So, the" intermediary " between the mortal races and magic is weaving, and other creatures, like dragons or elementals, who have an innate gift, do not need access to weaving, because they are the source of magic?
I'll need to look into it, but from my understanding so far, I wouldn't say Dragons (or any other magical creatures) are a "source" of magic but rather they have innate acces and understanding of Raw Matic and how to work it.
From my understanding the Weave is like a Data Base for magic spells and its manipulation is like using a prepared lign of code that manipulate Raw Magic a certain way to have a predictible outcome.
When you can manipulate Raw Magic directly you're not dependant on the state of the weave, but you rely purely on your ability to will magic to work the way you want. For Dragons I think some of their abilities are innate and thus do not rely on the weave while some other might be learned ans thus rely on the weave like other spellcasters.
To go back on Sorcerers, I'd say they work kinda the same way. They have an innate acces to Raw Magic and know how to work to make their spell work. That being said they can also learn to use the weave to cast spell as well (maybe they've an innate better understanding on how to use it)
All magic is tied to the weave, Dragons simply have an innate connection to it. You decide how they are affected by a broken weave. I would say they keep operating as normal, but can't practice sorcery. Things like flying and breath weapon are magical, but they maintian enough internal magic to do it even in non-magic zones.
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Hello everyone, I decided to join the worlds of DnD, and I had this question - how does the magic of dragons work? Dragons are creatures that are full of magic. And the magic of many races is tied to Weave. And how will the dragon magic behave if the Weave is broken? How will they even feel? What will happen to the actions of their lair, with such abilities as changing shape and turning into an elf or a human, for example?
My Forgotten Realms lore is not as complete as others on this site I’m sure. However from what I know, Dragons can function just fine even when the weave doesn’t exist. On Abeir, the twin planet of Toril (the main planet of the forgotten realms), there is no weave, and the only true means of using magic are either from powerful artifacts or from those who have innate magical abilities like how sorcerers, elementals and dragons have.
Also another thing to consider is that a dragon’s breath weapon isn’t actually magical by nature, and can be used even in areas with anti-magic effects in place.
"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
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That's just the book of rules dnd 5 edition says that sorcerers also use Weave. This seems strange, considering that their magic is innate.
Ah, I didn't know that Sorcerers use the weave too. It is a bit weird but I can understand the logic somewhat.
"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
Characters for Tenebris Sine Fine
RoughCoronet's Greater Wills
It's not that weird. Wizards study ways to engineer ways to draw from the weave. Clerics, Paladins, Rangers etc have some sort of intermediary (a God, "nature", the Oath they serve) that grants them access to the weave. Warlocks are a little bit study a little bit patronage. Bards "song" (broadly construed) draws out the weave. Sorcerers something about "their blood" or something else them imbues them as a conduit for the weave. They're literally in touch with it, probably why wild magic and draconic bloodlines were the the initial Sorcerer subclasses. It's sort of why one of their class features is Font magic. Think of the weave as "The Force" though most require great study or divine favor to use it, Sorcerers are literally bonded to it.
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And dragons, then, are a source of magic in themselves, and therefore they do not depend on Weave?
So, the" intermediary " between the mortal races and magic is weaving, and other creatures, like dragons or elementals, who have an innate gift, do not need access to weaving, because they are the source of magic?
I'll need to look into it, but from my understanding so far, I wouldn't say Dragons (or any other magical creatures) are a "source" of magic but rather they have innate acces and understanding of Raw Matic and how to work it.
From my understanding the Weave is like a Data Base for magic spells and its manipulation is like using a prepared lign of code that manipulate Raw Magic a certain way to have a predictible outcome.
When you can manipulate Raw Magic directly you're not dependant on the state of the weave, but you rely purely on your ability to will magic to work the way you want. For Dragons I think some of their abilities are innate and thus do not rely on the weave while some other might be learned ans thus rely on the weave like other spellcasters.
To go back on Sorcerers, I'd say they work kinda the same way. They have an innate acces to Raw Magic and know how to work to make their spell work. That being said they can also learn to use the weave to cast spell as well (maybe they've an innate better understanding on how to use it)
All magic is tied to the weave, Dragons simply have an innate connection to it. You decide how they are affected by a broken weave. I would say they keep operating as normal, but can't practice sorcery. Things like flying and breath weapon are magical, but they maintian enough internal magic to do it even in non-magic zones.