As a DM I’ve run a Forgotten Realms world in excess of 15 years. In it the rule I’ve used is that reading a single scroll out of the 50 is enough to move you to the midpoint of your next level if you are an arcane caster. That rule isn’t changing but it’s been in place so long I’ve forgotten if it’s a homebrew creation of mine or if it’s there in lore somewhere. I keep thinking that it’s there in lore as it would go a long ways to explaining why Larloch, the other Netherese arch mages and Elminster are as powerful and high level as they are along with a few other folks like the Terraseer ( a Sarrukh Lich and founding member of the group that created the scrolls). Also, am I reading the lore right that there are only 2 known sets of scrolls - the Netherese set that was broken up with a bunch ( I think it was 15) being stolen almost as soon as they were found and the second - where the complete set was stolen and placed in secret in Myth Drannor. That would mean that the Netherese never really had access to more than 25-35 of the scrolls and probably less as they stole them back and forth and had them stolen from them by others. Finally, of the first set any ideas where they might be today?
As a DM I’ve run a Forgotten Realms world in excess of 15 years. In it the rule I’ve used is that reading a single scroll out of the 50 is enough to move you to the midpoint of your next level if you are an arcane caster. That rule isn’t changing but it’s been in place so long I’ve forgotten if it’s a homebrew creation of mine or if it’s there in lore somewhere. I keep thinking that it’s there in lore as it would go a long ways to explaining why Larloch, the other Netherese arch mages and Elminster are as powerful and high level as they are along with a few other folks like the Terraseer ( a Sarrukh Lich and founding member of the group that created the scrolls). Also, am I reading the lore right that there are only 2 known sets of scrolls - the Netherese set that was broken up with a bunch ( I think it was 15) being stolen almost as soon as they were found and the second - where the complete set was stolen and placed in secret in Myth Drannor. That would mean that the Netherese never really had access to more than 25-35 of the scrolls and probably less as they stole them back and forth and had them stolen from them by others. Finally, of the first set any ideas where they might be today?
I have no such understanding. Elminster was trained by a Elven High Mage? Larloch knows every spell of any Magic User of Faerune. There is more to Larloch's power than the Nether Scrolls? Where are the Nether Scrolls? I think I read something about the Nether Scrolls being guarded by some high level Wizards somewhere in the Cormanthor or Myth Drannor? These Wizards are elven undead? Based on that you said I would guess the Nether Scrolls may be somewhere in evermeet. Perhaps in the tower of the High Elven Mages?
There are actually official rules for one of the Nether Scrolls in 5e. The Nether Scroll of Azumar has official mechanics in Candlekeep Mysteries. It increases your intelligence score, gives you Magic Resistance, and summons a Stone Golem that you can control.
If you want to make more, I would base their mechanics around the official version's.
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I looked at that and I think it’s bogus at least as far as being an actual Nether scroll since it doesn’t fit with the earlier descriptions of the scrolls. I’m treating it as a fake that is using the title to make it seem more than it is.
Here is the basic lore on the scrolls: The Nether Scrolls were a set of small scrolls that described fundamental magical theory. Two sets were known to exist, one set older and more tarnished than the other. The contents were written over fifty scrolls divided into five chapters, each consisting of ten scrolls. Each scroll was made of a precious metal, namely gold or platinum, made flexible like paper with silvery letters floating upon the surface. Each time a page was read, new knowledge appeared, allowing the scroll to contain more information than the small size should have allowed. given this the scroll of azumar doesn’t fit the pattern described and is misnamed a Nether scroll.
I looked at that and I think it’s bogus at least as far as being an actual Nether scroll since it doesn’t fit with the earlier descriptions of the scrolls. I’m treating it as a fake that is using the title to make it seem more than it is.
What do you mean by "bogus" here? Because it's really an official 5e Nether Scroll. It's from Candlekeep Mysteries, an official book officially published by Wizards of the Coast (the owners and publishers of D&D 5th Edition). It's in my physical copy, too.
That is at least one version of how WotC feels Nether Scrolls should be represented mechanically this edition of the game.
The art in the book and description from the adventure even matches earlier descriptions of their appearance:
The Nether Scroll of Azumar (see the item’s description below) inside a 24-inch-long, 5-inch diameter cylinder made of wood and encased in a sheet of gold (500 gp); the scroll is a thin sheet of hammered copper etched with Draconic writing
It's made out of copper. That certainly fits the "each scroll was made of a precious metal" part of the older descriptions.
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As a DM I’ve run a Forgotten Realms world in excess of 15 years. In it the rule I’ve used is that reading a single scroll out of the 50 is enough to move you to the midpoint of your next level if you are an arcane caster. That rule isn’t changing but it’s been in place so long I’ve forgotten if it’s a homebrew creation of mine or if it’s there in lore somewhere. I keep thinking that it’s there in lore as it would go a long ways to explaining why Larloch, the other Netherese arch mages and Elminster are as powerful and high level as they are along with a few other folks like the Terraseer ( a Sarrukh Lich and founding member of the group that created the scrolls). Also, am I reading the lore right that there are only 2 known sets of scrolls - the Netherese set that was broken up with a bunch ( I think it was 15) being stolen almost as soon as they were found and the second - where the complete set was stolen and placed in secret in Myth Drannor. That would mean that the Netherese never really had access to more than 25-35 of the scrolls and probably less as they stole them back and forth and had them stolen from them by others. Finally, of the first set any ideas where they might be today?
I have no such understanding. Elminster was trained by a Elven High Mage? Larloch knows every spell of any Magic User of Faerune. There is more to Larloch's power than the Nether Scrolls? Where are the Nether Scrolls? I think I read something about the Nether Scrolls being guarded by some high level Wizards somewhere in the Cormanthor or Myth Drannor? These Wizards are elven undead? Based on that you said I would guess the Nether Scrolls may be somewhere in evermeet. Perhaps in the tower of the High Elven Mages?
The only known complete set was the one the elves stole before it got to the Netherese. It was maintained in an elven mage academy in Myth Drannor. During his time in Myth Drannor before its fall Elminster was a student and then a member of the academy. It was never made clear if he was granted access to the scrolls or not. They were taken by the shades and destroyed in a combat between shades and adventurers (at least the module had them destroyed but I suspect some DM’s let the party find and restore them). The tower they were in was finally destroyed when Shade Fell on Myth Drannor at the end of the spell plague. 2 of the other set are supposed to be hidden in the crypt under the grandfather tree in the high forest. My personal suspicion is that right after the fall of Netheril Larloch spent time collecting as many as he could locate from the fallen remains of the enclaves and so he probably has access to 15-25 scrolls.
What I’m hoping for is that someone has the actual modules and books from 1e-3.5e that give the detailed version stats. I’ve already looked thru a bunch of stuff including the FR wiki but while it has the lore it doesn’t give edition specific stats and details.
Precious metals - gold and platinum not coinage metals like copper. it doesn’t fit with the previous lore about the scrolls except that it may have been secreted in the same place as an actual nether scroll.
A point for those seeking to help - I’m not looking for 5e versions I’m looking for specific details I don’t have (and that may not exist if it’s my homebrew) from earlier versions. I’m not trying to update stuff to 5e I’m happy with what I have. I’m just trying to satisfy my curiosity about whether or how much of what. Have is actual lore and from what version, and how much is my own ancient homebrew.
Again, what do you mean by "bogus" in this context? Do you think that it's not really an official product? Because it is. Do you think that the designers of the game purposefully lied about it being a Nether Scroll? Because I'm 99% sure they would not do that.
Precious metals - gold and platinum not coinage metals like copper.
What are you even talking about? Platinum, gold, and copper are all "coinage metals" in D&D. The main type of currency in D&D are Copper Pieces, Silver Pieces, Electrum Pieces (which no one uses), Gold Pieces, and Platinum Pieces. All of them are precious metals and all of them are coinage metals. You're wrong about those two terms being mutually exclusive and you're wrong about all 3 of the metals not being in both categories in D&D.
it doesn’t fit with the previous lore about the scrolls except that it may have been secreted in the same place as an actual nether scroll.
Sure it does. The description fits, the location fits, the adventure centered around it fits, and the mechanics of the scroll fit. It easily fits into the "Maior Creare" chapter of the Nether Scrolls and definitely fits the previous lore.
A point for those seeking to help - I’m not looking for 5e versions I’m looking for specific details I don’t have (and that may not exist if it’s my homebrew) from earlier versions. I’m not trying to update stuff to 5e I’m happy with what I have. I’m just trying to satisfy my curiosity about whether or how much of what. Have is actual lore and from what version, and how much is my own ancient homebrew.
You never said before that you were playing a previous edition. This site's forums primarily revolve around the 5th edition of the game. I just gave you the only example of an official Nether Scroll in the current edition of the game because that's what I assumed you were asking for based on the fact you were asking on this site.
If you want lore about the Nether Scrolls all of it should either be described here or in one of the linked articles/books in the wiki's description.
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Again, what do you mean by "bogus" in this context? Do you think that it's not really an official product? Because it is. Do you think that the designers of the game purposefully lied about it being a Nether Scroll? Because I'm 99% sure they would not do that.
Precious metals - gold and platinum not coinage metals like copper.
What are you even talking about? Platinum, gold, and copper are all "coinage metals" in D&D. The main type of currency in D&D are Copper Pieces, Silver Pieces, Electrum Pieces (which no one uses), Gold Pieces, and Platinum Pieces. All of them are precious metals and all of them are coinage metals. You're wrong about those two terms being mutually exclusive and you're wrong about all 3 of the metals not being in both categories in D&D.
it doesn’t fit with the previous lore about the scrolls except that it may have been secreted in the same place as an actual nether scroll.
Sure it does. The description fits, the location fits, the adventure centered around it fits, and the mechanics of the scroll fit. It easily fits into the "Maior Creare" chapter of the Nether Scrolls and definitely fits the previous lore.
A point for those seeking to help - I’m not looking for 5e versions I’m looking for specific details I don’t have (and that may not exist if it’s my homebrew) from earlier versions. I’m not trying to update stuff to 5e I’m happy with what I have. I’m just trying to satisfy my curiosity about whether or how much of what. Have is actual lore and from what version, and how much is my own ancient homebrew.
You never said before that you were playing a previous edition. This site's forums primarily revolve around the 5th edition of the game. I just gave you the only example of an official Nether Scroll in the current edition of the game because that's what I assumed you were asking for based on the fact you were asking on this site.
If you want lore about the Nether Scrolls all of it should either be described here or in one of the linked articles/books in the wiki's description.
Ok one at a time:
bogus - it’s an official item yes but is it actually a Nether scroll as defined by pre 5e lore? No - despite the name.
coinage vs precious - the old lore specifically defines the metals used as gold and platinum so a copper scroll is out - yes it’s a coinage metal but it’s not a precious metal.
fitting - put simply I disagree especially on the location as that was a 5e add on not in previous lore. Could the other stuff fit? Maybe but … I am talking about my campaign and how I see the item in it so your take, while interesting ( or WOTC’s take for that matter) is actually irrelevant.
Time wise - please go back and reread the very start - this world has been active for 15+ years Ummm 4e +5e is only about 10 years so where does that place the campaign? It is actually a mixed world, 5e for the most part with homebrew from other versions as I see fit - as I at least sort of explained in the initial post.
sending me to thee FR wiki - please don’t - B.T.D.T. I am well aware of the wiki but it’s one problem is that it seldom gives version specific details except of occasional NPCS SO THE INFO I AM AFTER ISNT THERE - already looked. If it’s available at all it’s going to be in something like the Nether age books or the original versions of Myth Drannor Nether of which I have sadly.
bogus - it’s an official item yes but is it actually a Nether scroll as defined by pre 5e lore? No - despite the name.
Again, there is no evidence for this. There are tons of different nether scrolls, they're not all made out of platinum of gold, and it teaches you magical secrets not typical of other magic items. Sounds like a nether scroll to me. I see no reason to disbelieve WotC on this.
coinage vs precious - the old lore specifically defines the metals used as gold and platinum so a copper scroll is out - yes it’s a coinage metal but it’s not a precious metal.
Actually, copper is a precious metal. So, yes, copper qualifies as a possible material for a Nether Scroll to be made out of. Older explanations of them only said that they're made out of a precious metal "such as platinum or gold". That doesn't mean that it has to be one of those two. It could also be made out of silver, copper, palladium, or one of the other few non-standard precious metals. So it being made out of copper doesn't disqualify it from being one.
fitting - put simply I disagree especially on the location as that was a 5e add on not in previous lore. Could the other stuff fit? Maybe but … I am talking about my campaign and how I see the item in it so your take, while interesting ( or WOTC’s take for that matter) is actually irrelevant.
. . . There are over 25 different nether scrolls, and not all of their locations were listed before. The adventure takes place in the Anauroch Desert (you know, the area where the Empire of Netheril was mainly located), is found in the tomb of an undead Netheril wizard, and is guarded my magical constructs. Sounds like the location fits, too.
If you're changing things, perfectly fine with me. However, you were asking for advice about an official set of items officially set in a specific area of the Forgotten Realms, which is officially represented for one of the scrolls in the current edition of the game. So if you don't want official advice from the most recent representation of them . . . then maybe you should have made that clear in the first post in this thread.
Time wise - please go back and reread the very start - this world has been active for 15+ years Ummm 4e +5e is only about 10 years so where does that place the campaign? It is actually a mixed world, 5e for the most part with homebrew from other versions as I see fit - as I at least sort of explained in the initial post.
You never said that you weren't playing 5e. Just that you had been running the setting for 15+ years. You never mentioned that this was just one campaign or that you hadn't moved on to more recent editions. I am perfectly aware of the timeline of the published editions of the game. You just weren't very clear about the situation.
sending me to thee FR wiki - please don’t - B.T.D.T. I am well aware of the wiki but it’s one problem is that it seldom gives version specific details except of occasional NPCS SO THE INFO I AM AFTER ISNT THERE - already looked. If it’s available at all it’s going to be in something like the Nether age books or the original versions of Myth Drannor Nether of which I have sadly.
I had guessed that you'd visited the site. That's why I mentioned the links in the article's description, which gives the sources of the information contained in the article, which is how you find the products for edition-specific versions of the information.
The References section of the article gives dozens of sources for the lore of about Nether Scrolls, most of which are from the pre-4e era of D&D. They also say in this section whether the source was published under WotC or TSR. You can then use those links to find the descriptions of the specific products (some of which are video games, some are novels, some are game products). Most of the game products are available on DMsGuild.com, and some of the novels might be available for purchase on Amazon.com. If the specific products you're looking for aren't on either of those sites, maybe try "other" sources.
I'll not reply to your posts anymore, though, as you clearly don't want my help.
There are actually official rules for one of the Nether Scrolls in 5e. The Nether Scroll of Azumar has official mechanics in Candlekeep Mysteries. It increases your intelligence score, gives you Magic Resistance, and summons a Stone Golem that you can control.
If you want to make more, I would base their mechanics around the official version's.
The Nether Scroll of Azumer does not seem like it has anything to do with the Nether Scrolls. I was of the understanding that the Nether Scrolls taught a system of Arcane magic.
There are actually official rules for one of the Nether Scrolls in 5e. The Nether Scroll of Azumar has official mechanics in Candlekeep Mysteries. It increases your intelligence score, gives you Magic Resistance, and summons a Stone Golem that you can control.
If you want to make more, I would base their mechanics around the official version's.
The Nether Scroll of Azumer does not seem like it has anything to do with the Nether Scrolls. I was of the understanding that the Nether Scrolls taught a system of Arcane magic.
Typically. Which is represented in the (simplified) mechanics of the magic item. It increases your Intelligence Score (representing teaching you magical theory, as it increases your bonus to the Arcana skill and makes you a better Wizard/Artificer by virtue of Intelligence being the spellcasting ability of those classes), and teaches you how to make a Stone Golem (again, in simplified 5e mechanics, where you "learning to make one" just summons one that you get to control after you've studied the scroll for a month and made an Arcana check).
And they don't just teach you a system of arcane magic, they also give you specific magical abilities (like Magic Resistance) in previous editions to.
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Ok it looks like everyone seems to misunderstand. I’m running my campaign my way. I’m not particularly interested in how WOTC is going to run the nether scrolls in 5e based on the scroll of Azumar. I’m Not going to spend money buying old books - the question isn’t that important to me. I was hopping someone out there actually had a copy ( or copies) of the old lore book(s) that had the specific info I wanted - in any of the older editions did reading a Nether scroll move you up 1 level? Or is it not in any and therefore is a homebrew creation of mine that I don’t remember making lo these many years later? That’s all I wanted to know.
In -30,000 DR the Ba'etith craft the Golden Skins of the World Serpent, known as the Nether Scrolls. In 1344 DR Mintiper Moonsilver scatter the three Nether Scrolls from the hall of Mist to other locations. In1375 DR the Knights of Myth Drannor foil a plot by the Shadovar to obtain a copy of the Nether Scrolls. They succeed, ..... but in doing so they also shatter the Shorn Wall and one of the Nether Scrolls still ends up in the hand of the Shades. This is all last mention of the Nether Scrolls? I am guessing that there is only this one copy of the Nether Scrolls that is available. The other two copies must be lost or owned by some being that you could not get them from.
Yes that’s pretty much the short version of the story. 5e adds the scroll of Azumar. I suspect 1 level shift I use is homebrew but ….
in my campaign 4 epic characters had become Windsong students/masters and were reading the elven version 1 scroll a year. They used foresight to spot Hadrune’s attack and stopped it killing hadrune and saving the scrolls. Other events actually shatter the Sharn wall an a few years later the spellplague hits and Windsong tower along with every Nether Scroll repository is locked away behind the blue flames of the spellplague for the next 100 years. With the destruction of Windsong tower in the collision between Myth Drannor and Shade the only extant full set known is “destroyed” and lost and need time to reform and the individual scrolls be found and reassembled. So right now there are 50 scrolls ( 1 complete set) out there somewhere to be found and a second set ( the elven one) in a sort of Limbo state nail WOTC come up with some specific lore on just what happened too them which they haven’t done yet and probably aren’t going to do anytime soon.official lore has given them @120 years to reform and be stuck away as Mystra or Ao see fit, my timeline is more recent for my campaign.
As a DM I’ve run a Forgotten Realms world in excess of 15 years. In it the rule I’ve used is that reading a single scroll out of the 50 is enough to move you to the midpoint of your next level if you are an arcane caster. That rule isn’t changing but it’s been in place so long I’ve forgotten if it’s a homebrew creation of mine or if it’s there in lore somewhere. I keep thinking that it’s there in lore as it would go a long ways to explaining why Larloch, the other Netherese arch mages and Elminster are as powerful and high level as they are along with a few other folks like the Terraseer ( a Sarrukh Lich and founding member of the group that created the scrolls).
Also, am I reading the lore right that there are only 2 known sets of scrolls - the Netherese set that was broken up with a bunch ( I think it was 15) being stolen almost as soon as they were found and the second - where the complete set was stolen and placed in secret in Myth Drannor. That would mean that the Netherese never really had access to more than 25-35 of the scrolls and probably less as they stole them back and forth and had them stolen from them by others.
Finally, of the first set any ideas where they might be today?
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I have no such understanding. Elminster was trained by a Elven High Mage? Larloch knows every spell of any Magic User of Faerune. There is more to Larloch's power than the Nether Scrolls? Where are the Nether Scrolls? I think I read something about the Nether Scrolls being guarded by some high level Wizards somewhere in the Cormanthor or Myth Drannor? These Wizards are elven undead? Based on that you said I would guess the Nether Scrolls may be somewhere in evermeet. Perhaps in the tower of the High Elven Mages?
There are actually official rules for one of the Nether Scrolls in 5e. The Nether Scroll of Azumar has official mechanics in Candlekeep Mysteries. It increases your intelligence score, gives you Magic Resistance, and summons a Stone Golem that you can control.
If you want to make more, I would base their mechanics around the official version's.
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I looked at that and I think it’s bogus at least as far as being an actual Nether scroll since it doesn’t fit with the earlier descriptions of the scrolls. I’m treating it as a fake that is using the title to make it seem more than it is.
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Here is the basic lore on the scrolls:
The Nether Scrolls were a set of small scrolls that described fundamental magical theory. Two sets were known to exist, one set older and more tarnished than the other. The contents were written over fifty scrolls divided into five chapters, each consisting of ten scrolls. Each scroll was made of a precious metal, namely gold or platinum, made flexible like paper with silvery letters floating upon the surface. Each time a page was read, new knowledge appeared, allowing the scroll to contain more information than the small size should have allowed.
given this the scroll of azumar doesn’t fit the pattern described and is misnamed a Nether scroll.
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What do you mean by "bogus" here? Because it's really an official 5e Nether Scroll. It's from Candlekeep Mysteries, an official book officially published by Wizards of the Coast (the owners and publishers of D&D 5th Edition). It's in my physical copy, too.
That is at least one version of how WotC feels Nether Scrolls should be represented mechanically this edition of the game.
The art in the book and description from the adventure even matches earlier descriptions of their appearance:
It's made out of copper. That certainly fits the "each scroll was made of a precious metal" part of the older descriptions.
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The only known complete set was the one the elves stole before it got to the Netherese. It was maintained in an elven mage academy in Myth Drannor. During his time in Myth Drannor before its fall Elminster was a student and then a member of the academy. It was never made clear if he was granted access to the scrolls or not. They were taken by the shades and destroyed in a combat between shades and adventurers (at least the module had them destroyed but I suspect some DM’s let the party find and restore them). The tower they were in was finally destroyed when Shade Fell on Myth Drannor at the end of the spell plague. 2 of the other set are supposed to be hidden in the crypt under the grandfather tree in the high forest. My personal suspicion is that right after the fall of Netheril Larloch spent time collecting as many as he could locate from the fallen remains of the enclaves and so he probably has access to 15-25 scrolls.
What I’m hoping for is that someone has the actual modules and books from 1e-3.5e that give the detailed version stats. I’ve already looked thru a bunch of stuff including the FR wiki but while it has the lore it doesn’t give edition specific stats and details.
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reasons I think it’s bogus:
Precious metals - gold and platinum not coinage metals like copper.
it doesn’t fit with the previous lore about the scrolls except that it may have been secreted in the same place as an actual nether scroll.
A point for those seeking to help - I’m not looking for 5e versions I’m looking for specific details I don’t have (and that may not exist if it’s my homebrew) from earlier versions. I’m not trying to update stuff to 5e I’m happy with what I have. I’m just trying to satisfy my curiosity about whether or how much of what. Have is actual lore and from what version, and how much is my own ancient homebrew.
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Again, what do you mean by "bogus" in this context? Do you think that it's not really an official product? Because it is. Do you think that the designers of the game purposefully lied about it being a Nether Scroll? Because I'm 99% sure they would not do that.
What are you even talking about? Platinum, gold, and copper are all "coinage metals" in D&D. The main type of currency in D&D are Copper Pieces, Silver Pieces, Electrum Pieces (which no one uses), Gold Pieces, and Platinum Pieces. All of them are precious metals and all of them are coinage metals. You're wrong about those two terms being mutually exclusive and you're wrong about all 3 of the metals not being in both categories in D&D.
Sure it does. The description fits, the location fits, the adventure centered around it fits, and the mechanics of the scroll fit. It easily fits into the "Maior Creare" chapter of the Nether Scrolls and definitely fits the previous lore.
You never said before that you were playing a previous edition. This site's forums primarily revolve around the 5th edition of the game. I just gave you the only example of an official Nether Scroll in the current edition of the game because that's what I assumed you were asking for based on the fact you were asking on this site.
If you want lore about the Nether Scrolls all of it should either be described here or in one of the linked articles/books in the wiki's description.
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Ok one at a time:
bogus - it’s an official item yes but is it actually a Nether scroll as defined by pre 5e lore? No - despite the name.
coinage vs precious - the old lore specifically defines the metals used as gold and platinum so a copper scroll is out - yes it’s a coinage metal but it’s not a precious metal.
fitting - put simply I disagree especially on the location as that was a 5e add on not in previous lore. Could the other stuff fit? Maybe but … I am talking about my campaign and how I see the item in it so your take, while interesting ( or WOTC’s take for that matter) is actually irrelevant.
Time wise - please go back and reread the very start - this world has been active for 15+ years Ummm 4e +5e is only about 10 years so where does that place the campaign? It is actually a mixed world, 5e for the most part with homebrew from other versions as I see fit - as I at least sort of explained in the initial post.
sending me to thee FR wiki - please don’t - B.T.D.T. I am well aware of the wiki but it’s one problem is that it seldom gives version specific details except of occasional NPCS SO THE INFO I AM AFTER ISNT THERE - already looked. If it’s available at all it’s going to be in something like the Nether age books or the original versions of Myth Drannor Nether of which I have sadly.
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Again, there is no evidence for this. There are tons of different nether scrolls, they're not all made out of platinum of gold, and it teaches you magical secrets not typical of other magic items. Sounds like a nether scroll to me. I see no reason to disbelieve WotC on this.
Actually, copper is a precious metal. So, yes, copper qualifies as a possible material for a Nether Scroll to be made out of. Older explanations of them only said that they're made out of a precious metal "such as platinum or gold". That doesn't mean that it has to be one of those two. It could also be made out of silver, copper, palladium, or one of the other few non-standard precious metals. So it being made out of copper doesn't disqualify it from being one.
. . . There are over 25 different nether scrolls, and not all of their locations were listed before. The adventure takes place in the Anauroch Desert (you know, the area where the Empire of Netheril was mainly located), is found in the tomb of an undead Netheril wizard, and is guarded my magical constructs. Sounds like the location fits, too.
If you're changing things, perfectly fine with me. However, you were asking for advice about an official set of items officially set in a specific area of the Forgotten Realms, which is officially represented for one of the scrolls in the current edition of the game. So if you don't want official advice from the most recent representation of them . . . then maybe you should have made that clear in the first post in this thread.
You never said that you weren't playing 5e. Just that you had been running the setting for 15+ years. You never mentioned that this was just one campaign or that you hadn't moved on to more recent editions. I am perfectly aware of the timeline of the published editions of the game. You just weren't very clear about the situation.
I had guessed that you'd visited the site. That's why I mentioned the links in the article's description, which gives the sources of the information contained in the article, which is how you find the products for edition-specific versions of the information.
The References section of the article gives dozens of sources for the lore of about Nether Scrolls, most of which are from the pre-4e era of D&D. They also say in this section whether the source was published under WotC or TSR. You can then use those links to find the descriptions of the specific products (some of which are video games, some are novels, some are game products). Most of the game products are available on DMsGuild.com, and some of the novels might be available for purchase on Amazon.com. If the specific products you're looking for aren't on either of those sites, maybe try "other" sources.
I'll not reply to your posts anymore, though, as you clearly don't want my help.
Please check out my homebrew, I would appreciate feedback:
Spells, Monsters, Subclasses, Races, Arcknight Class, Occultist Class, World, Enigmatic Esoterica forms
The Nether Scroll of Azumer does not seem like it has anything to do with the Nether Scrolls. I was of the understanding that the Nether Scrolls taught a system of Arcane magic.
Typically. Which is represented in the (simplified) mechanics of the magic item. It increases your Intelligence Score (representing teaching you magical theory, as it increases your bonus to the Arcana skill and makes you a better Wizard/Artificer by virtue of Intelligence being the spellcasting ability of those classes), and teaches you how to make a Stone Golem (again, in simplified 5e mechanics, where you "learning to make one" just summons one that you get to control after you've studied the scroll for a month and made an Arcana check).
And they don't just teach you a system of arcane magic, they also give you specific magical abilities (like Magic Resistance) in previous editions to.
Please check out my homebrew, I would appreciate feedback:
Spells, Monsters, Subclasses, Races, Arcknight Class, Occultist Class, World, Enigmatic Esoterica forms
Ok it looks like everyone seems to misunderstand. I’m running my campaign my way. I’m not particularly interested in how WOTC is going to run the nether scrolls in 5e based on the scroll of Azumar. I’m Not going to spend money buying old books - the question isn’t that important to me. I was hopping someone out there actually had a copy ( or copies) of the old lore book(s) that had the specific info I wanted - in any of the older editions did reading a Nether scroll move you up 1 level? Or is it not in any and therefore is a homebrew creation of mine that I don’t remember making lo these many years later? That’s all I wanted to know.
Wisea$$ DM and Player since 1979.
In -30,000 DR the Ba'etith craft the Golden Skins of the World Serpent, known as the Nether Scrolls. In 1344 DR Mintiper Moonsilver scatter the three Nether Scrolls from the hall of Mist to other locations. In1375 DR the Knights of Myth Drannor foil a plot by the Shadovar to obtain a copy of the Nether Scrolls. They succeed, ..... but in doing so they also shatter the Shorn Wall and one of the Nether Scrolls still ends up in the hand of the Shades. This is all last mention of the Nether Scrolls? I am guessing that there is only this one copy of the Nether Scrolls that is available. The other two copies must be lost or owned by some being that you could not get them from.
Yes that’s pretty much the short version of the story. 5e adds the scroll of Azumar. I suspect 1 level shift I use is homebrew but ….
in my campaign 4 epic characters had become Windsong students/masters and were reading the elven version 1 scroll a year. They used foresight to spot Hadrune’s attack and stopped it killing hadrune and saving the scrolls. Other events actually shatter the Sharn wall an a few years later the spellplague hits and Windsong tower along with every Nether Scroll repository is locked away behind the blue flames of the spellplague for the next 100 years. With the destruction of Windsong tower in the collision between Myth Drannor and Shade the only extant full set known is “destroyed” and lost and need time to reform and the individual scrolls be found and reassembled. So right now there are 50 scrolls ( 1 complete set) out there somewhere to be found and a second set ( the elven one) in a sort of Limbo state nail WOTC come up with some specific lore on just what happened too them which they haven’t done yet and probably aren’t going to do anytime soon.official lore has given them @120 years to reform and be stuck away as Mystra or Ao see fit, my timeline is more recent for my campaign.
Wisea$$ DM and Player since 1979.