I'm working the background for a character. A paladin that focus' on punishing the wicked. If he knows for a fact someone is guilty, of a crime like murder, he will be judge, jury, and executioner, but if he is unsure he will try to capture them and let a local justice system decide their fate. He will help those in need, but punishing wrongdoers will come first unless someone appeals to his sense of pity or kindness. So if they were walking through a city and he sees someone gets stabbed and the attacker runs off, he will probably go after the attacker instead of helping the victim. If a party member asks or the victim gasps for help he will, though he may hesitate in doing so. If no one did one of these things, I would roll a die and on a hi-roll, he would help and on a low-roll, he would chase the attacker.
Ok, I think that is clear as mud.
I don't know what god from the DnD pantheon would fit this character. I don't know the DnD gods very well. I'm not even sure this character would be lawful or chaotic good.
Since paladins don't need to be lawful good anymore there are a lot of more paladin concept possibilities.
But even with your description I would consider your character lawful, lawful neutral maybe. Being lawful doesn't mean good it means following the rules, his rules, even if they're evil. As in real life something legal doesn't make it morally good and vice versa.
I'm not an encyclopaedia of the Faerun deities but Tyr comes to mind. Justice can be "dirty" but it is still justice.
I went with bahamut, for now, since he's a dragonborn, so it makes sense, but I don't know if it really fits his outlook. I looked on the wiki for Try, but I didn't see him. That is kinda his view. he probably wouldn't execute a thief, but a murderer or necromancer yes he would even if surrendered.
Sorry it got autocorrected. I wanted to say Tyr (I’ll correct it in my OP.). (Which after some searching I found out is a dead power now. Sorry I only recently got into fifth edition.)
Lawful neutral, is also a very acceptable alignment and Bahamut a good deity. Helm and Torm also come to mind.
I know it's not really a Dnd diety, but I was thinking of playing a vengeance paladin with Konshu (Moon Knight) as the diety. I like him cause he's a multi-faceted diety that's got good sides, grey ones, borderline evil sides, both watching over the night and populating it with monsters.
Yeah. You get a lot of great stories where Konshu is a benevolent god, but then every now and then you get a story that reminds you that he's really a cold and distant entity who's motives are unknowable half the time, and sometimes outright ominous.
His domains include vengeance, the Moon, death (to a degree), watching over those who travel by night, things that go bump in the night, and individualism.
I like your idea of a vengeance paladin of Bahamut, especially if he focuses on the aspects of justice and law. Bahamut taught his followers to always uphold the highest ideals of honor and justice; to be constantly vigilant against evil and to oppose it from all fronts; and to protect the weak, liberate the oppressed, and defend just order. While many followers of Bahamut strive for justice tempered with mercy and punishment with forgiveness, your vengeance paladin might not have so much sympathy for the mercy and forgiveness part and focus dogmatically on punishing those who transgress against his harsh interpretation of Bahamut's code.
You could have a lot of fun playing your character like an inquisitor who is more lawful neutral than lawful good. Picture Judge Dredd, where you uphold Bahamut's ideals to the best of your ability, but hold everyone to an unrealistically high standard. Anyone who falls short doesn't get much sympathy for you and anyone who opposes you is dealt with in the harshest way. You may think you are redeeming their souls by taking their mortal lives. I can imagine Bahamut gazing down on your paladin sympathetically, but hoping that through the course of your growth, you will learn to embrace the gentler aspects of his faith. As a player, you may not want your character to ever quite get there :)
I really like the dogmatic theme and I think it sounds like a great character, but I don't think I can go that far. the reason I came up with him is my current character a warlock of the old one and he's slightly sociopathic and he'll do just about anything for Arcane knowledge. He is a bit abrasive to other PCs, but I've said it's for the conflict and tension that it builds and I'm ok with any consequences that arise as a result of his actions. It makes for a good story, but my DM doesn't seem to like it. So this Pally needs to be more pleasant, but he will be harsh in his punishments to those that have committed vile acts such as murder, necromancy, etc. I really do like the idea of a Palidan that takes it to far though.
I don't want a lawful good God for my Vengeance Paladin cuz I'm looking for something like this to play I don't want to be evil either cuz there's a lot of questionable morals in my party don't want too much player conflict so one of the ideas was maybe the Raven Queen or other death gods and have his sworn enemy be Undead in general
I don't want a lawful good God for my Vengeance Paladin cuz I'm looking for something like this to play I don't want to be evil either cuz there's a lot of questionable morals in my party don't want too much player conflict so one of the ideas was maybe the Raven Queen or other death gods and have his sworn enemy be Undead in general
1. This thread was as dead as a horse that got stabbed to death by goblins, animated by a necromancer, murdered by adventurers, and then kicked repeatedly(It was unintentional when I typed this, but this happens in the adventure in Acquisitions Incorporated, although some parties don't kick the horse).
2. Hoar and the Raven Queen are good for FR. Kelemvor also works.
I've been having trouble with finding a good deity, I have gone through all of the gods throughout the pantheon, throughout the realms, and the only god that is of vengeance is shevarash. Now I'm a dragonborn paladin for my paladin, I just don't think it's right for me to worship an elven god, so I thought bahamut, then I saw his morals, nope, I'm planning on going with Tyr, can someone give me a good answer, I was also thinking tiamat but I asked my DM and he said that tiamat is sort of a god, but a terrible one at that since her portfolio is so vague
The thing about deitys in DnD is this. Every God hast more then one or to aspects to them. And a Lot of those aspects can inspire vengeance. For example, Bahamuth can inspire that through an Attack on one of His Tempels or even one of his dragons. And now He sends you in a Quest to find vengeance.(That's Just an example)
One other thing you can do, even in the world of fearun, Talk with your DM and maybe create a new deitys WHO fits your ideas. In the world of DnD are a Lot of dead and fergotten gods and cause of the Lack of worshipper they died. So what you can do is, have something Like a fallen Ruin or buried temple where you and your group set feet in and find transcripts of such an cult/deity and it Starts to speak to you and with that it gains Power and your Quest is to fulfill it's teachings and spread it's word and glory. (Paladin and clerics are in that regard preety similiar) That is a way to implement it in the Story and Campagne If you start before you find your Oath. The other way build it Just in your Background the same way. But important is to inform your DM about every nie detail you come up with and visa versa.
Now a Paladin does not need a god for his Powers. If they Oath He swears is strong he harnesses his Power through those words. For vengeance Paladins this could be something like vengeance for your family or even a family that was dear to you. Everything that can inspire a strong sense of vengeance can fuel your Oath. But beware a Vengeance Paladin with an Oath or an god can Slide preety fast on the path of an Oathbreaker.
On the way you are discribed your Paladin i do not see much issue, but for Paladins there ist Always a warning good😉
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I'm working the background for a character. A paladin that focus' on punishing the wicked. If he knows for a fact someone is guilty, of a crime like murder, he will be judge, jury, and executioner, but if he is unsure he will try to capture them and let a local justice system decide their fate. He will help those in need, but punishing wrongdoers will come first unless someone appeals to his sense of pity or kindness. So if they were walking through a city and he sees someone gets stabbed and the attacker runs off, he will probably go after the attacker instead of helping the victim. If a party member asks or the victim gasps for help he will, though he may hesitate in doing so. If no one did one of these things, I would roll a die and on a hi-roll, he would help and on a low-roll, he would chase the attacker.
Ok, I think that is clear as mud.
I don't know what god from the DnD pantheon would fit this character. I don't know the DnD gods very well. I'm not even sure this character would be lawful or chaotic good.
Since paladins don't need to be lawful good anymore there are a lot of more paladin concept possibilities.
But even with your description I would consider your character lawful, lawful neutral maybe. Being lawful doesn't mean good it means following the rules, his rules, even if they're evil.
As in real life something legal doesn't make it morally good and vice versa.
I'm not an encyclopaedia of the Faerun deities but Tyr comes to mind. Justice can be "dirty" but it is still justice.
I went with bahamut, for now, since he's a dragonborn, so it makes sense, but I don't know if it really fits his outlook. I looked on the wiki for Try, but I didn't see him. That is kinda his view. he probably wouldn't execute a thief, but a murderer or necromancer yes he would even if surrendered.
Sorry it got autocorrected. I wanted to say Tyr (I’ll correct it in my OP.). (Which after some searching I found out is a dead power now. Sorry I only recently got into fifth edition.)
Lawful neutral, is also a very acceptable alignment and Bahamut a good deity. Helm and Torm also come to mind.
I know it's not really a Dnd diety, but I was thinking of playing a vengeance paladin with Konshu (Moon Knight) as the diety. I like him cause he's a multi-faceted diety that's got good sides, grey ones, borderline evil sides, both watching over the night and populating it with monsters.
The Marvel hero?
Yeah. You get a lot of great stories where Konshu is a benevolent god, but then every now and then you get a story that reminds you that he's really a cold and distant entity who's motives are unknowable half the time, and sometimes outright ominous.
His domains include vengeance, the Moon, death (to a degree), watching over those who travel by night, things that go bump in the night, and individualism.
Hoar, The Doombringer, Poet of Justice.
See Sword Coast Adventurer’s Guide.
For a vengeance themed paladin i might pair it with one of these:
Bane, Tempus, Torm, Tyr
As for an extended range:
Kord, Hextor, Morrigan, Nuada, Ares, Hercules, Anubis, Odin, Forseti, Hel, Sif...
I like your idea of a vengeance paladin of Bahamut, especially if he focuses on the aspects of justice and law. Bahamut taught his followers to always uphold the highest ideals of honor and justice; to be constantly vigilant against evil and to oppose it from all fronts; and to protect the weak, liberate the oppressed, and defend just order. While many followers of Bahamut strive for justice tempered with mercy and punishment with forgiveness, your vengeance paladin might not have so much sympathy for the mercy and forgiveness part and focus dogmatically on punishing those who transgress against his harsh interpretation of Bahamut's code.
You could have a lot of fun playing your character like an inquisitor who is more lawful neutral than lawful good. Picture Judge Dredd, where you uphold Bahamut's ideals to the best of your ability, but hold everyone to an unrealistically high standard. Anyone who falls short doesn't get much sympathy for you and anyone who opposes you is dealt with in the harshest way. You may think you are redeeming their souls by taking their mortal lives. I can imagine Bahamut gazing down on your paladin sympathetically, but hoping that through the course of your growth, you will learn to embrace the gentler aspects of his faith. As a player, you may not want your character to ever quite get there :)
"Not all those who wander are lost"
I really like the dogmatic theme and I think it sounds like a great character, but I don't think I can go that far. the reason I came up with him is my current character a warlock of the old one and he's slightly sociopathic and he'll do just about anything for Arcane knowledge. He is a bit abrasive to other PCs, but I've said it's for the conflict and tension that it builds and I'm ok with any consequences that arise as a result of his actions. It makes for a good story, but my DM doesn't seem to like it. So this Pally needs to be more pleasant, but he will be harsh in his punishments to those that have committed vile acts such as murder, necromancy, etc. I really do like the idea of a Palidan that takes it to far though.
Why pick a god? Just be all about the vengeance. Kinda Ghost Rider-y, in a way, just ... the spirit of vengeance.
because Palidans get their power from their god
“Although many paladins are devoted to gods of good, a paladin’s power comes as much from a commitment to justice itself as it does from a god.“
"Not all those who wander are lost"
I don't want a lawful good God for my Vengeance Paladin cuz I'm looking for something like this to play I don't want to be evil either cuz there's a lot of questionable morals in my party don't want too much player conflict so one of the ideas was maybe the Raven Queen or other death gods and have his sworn enemy be Undead in general
1. This thread was as dead as a horse that got stabbed to death by goblins, animated by a necromancer, murdered by adventurers, and then kicked repeatedly(It was unintentional when I typed this, but this happens in the adventure in Acquisitions Incorporated, although some parties don't kick the horse).
2. Hoar and the Raven Queen are good for FR. Kelemvor also works.
I have a weird sense of humor.
I also make maps.(That's a link)
Shevarash is often neglected when these questions come up. He's the Elven god of vengeance and hatred against the drow.
Paladin of Vengeance: I will be your judge, jury, and executioner and if need be executioner.
random urchin: uh mister paladin sir you said executioner twice....
Paladin of Vengeance: i know I really like that part :D
random urchin: a-are you sure you're lawful good...?
Paladin of Vengeance: you doubt me..? *holds sword up*
I've been having trouble with finding a good deity, I have gone through all of the gods throughout the pantheon, throughout the realms, and the only god that is of vengeance is shevarash. Now I'm a dragonborn paladin for my paladin, I just don't think it's right for me to worship an elven god, so I thought bahamut, then I saw his morals, nope, I'm planning on going with Tyr, can someone give me a good answer, I was also thinking tiamat but I asked my DM and he said that tiamat is sort of a god, but a terrible one at that since her portfolio is so vague
The thing about deitys in DnD is this. Every God hast more then one or to aspects to them. And a Lot of those aspects can inspire vengeance. For example, Bahamuth can inspire that through an Attack on one of His Tempels or even one of his dragons. And now He sends you in a Quest to find vengeance.(That's Just an example)
One other thing you can do, even in the world of fearun, Talk with your DM and maybe create a new deitys WHO fits your ideas. In the world of DnD are a Lot of dead and fergotten gods and cause of the Lack of worshipper they died. So what you can do is, have something Like a fallen Ruin or buried temple where you and your group set feet in and find transcripts of such an cult/deity and it Starts to speak to you and with that it gains Power and your Quest is to fulfill it's teachings and spread it's word and glory. (Paladin and clerics are in that regard preety similiar) That is a way to implement it in the Story and Campagne If you start before you find your Oath. The other way build it Just in your Background the same way. But important is to inform your DM about every nie detail you come up with and visa versa.
Now a Paladin does not need a god for his Powers. If they Oath He swears is strong he harnesses his Power through those words. For vengeance Paladins this could be something like vengeance for your family or even a family that was dear to you. Everything that can inspire a strong sense of vengeance can fuel your Oath. But beware a Vengeance Paladin with an Oath or an god can Slide preety fast on the path of an Oathbreaker.
On the way you are discribed your Paladin i do not see much issue, but for Paladins there ist Always a warning good😉