Uh... how sadistic is your DM? Because if they're happy to let you get away with something for the sake of fun you don't have to worry too much, but if they're going to look for a way to keep you in line then you have to be very, very specific, to the point of maybe having to cite the exact specific conditions you want.
Hmm... I feel like that first line "Cured of lycanthropy" has a lot of room for interpretation. I think perhaps something along the lines of "I wish to have full control of my Lycanthropic Changes even during the Full Moon". There's probably still some loopholes in that I'm not thinking of, but I think your DM would really have to go out of their way to interpret that any other way. Although it still might limit you to only transforming during the Full Moon, rather than being able to transform at will or anything like that.
Hmm... I feel like that first line "Cured of lycanthropy" has a lot of room for interpretation. I think perhaps something along the lines of "I wish to have full control of my Lycanthropic Changes even during the Full Moon". There's probably still some loopholes in that I'm not thinking of, but I think your DM would really have to go out of their way to interpret that any other way. Although it still might limit you to only transforming during the Full Moon, rather than being able to transform at will or anything like that.
Yeah my whole intention of being "cured" from it while still having its effect was that they would be permanent traits of mine and the Remove Curse spell couldn't take it away because I wouldn't have a curse to begin with.
Oh, then I would word it as: "I wish that my Lycanthropy is no longer considered a curse, and to have full control of my Lycanthropic Changes even during the Full Moon
"I wish that my Lycanthropy is no longer considered a curse, and to have full control of my Lycanthropic Changes even during the Full Moon"
Then my DM could say, "Ok, it's no longer a curse. It's a disease!"
I'm curious if WISH must be a singlely stated request. Because you could easy just list off a bunch of things like "I wish I was immortal and capable of casting every spell and immune to all damage and x, y, z... " That's why I'm hesitant to include "and" in the wish. At that point it's more than 1 wish.
That's a good point... it's really the control on Wish to keep it from being a completely broken spell. Honestly I think using Wish to control your Lycanthropy has too many opportunities for your DM to work around it. I think it would be better for you to work with your DM and find a workaround for it. I think it could lead to a very exciting adventure for your character to seek out a group of Lycans who have control over their curse, and they could train you to learning to control your curse as well. Also keep in mind... if your group is high enough level to have access to the Wish spell, lycanthropy isn't really that helpful of an ability. A decently powerful magic item could give you equivalent boosts in strength without the multitude of downsides.
The English language is vague enough that there IS no way of phrasing a wish that it cannot be twisted to mean something other than what you intended, if the DM wants to. It's more of a question of whether the DM wants to.
If you've got an adversarial DM, stick to using "Wish" for its base ability of "cast any 8th-level spell". There's no phrasing you can do that'll help.
If you've got a DM that'll do basically what you mean, then you don't have to agonize over phrasing - first explain what you mean, then say a short phrase that represents it (e.g. "I wish to retain the benefits of lycanthropy without its drawbacks") and you'll do fine.
Try to think of any possible way my DM could rework this statement to any other possible effect...
"I wish to be cured of lycanthropy but still retain all it's effects and characteristics besides that which happens as a result of a full moon"
"You are now a normal bear but with the intelligence and class levels of your character." "Also, roll percentile to see if you can ever cast wish again."
The English language is vague enough that there IS no way of phrasing a wish that it cannot be twisted to mean something other than what you intended, if the DM wants to. It's more of a question of whether the DM wants to.
If you've got an adversarial DM, stick to using "Wish" for its base ability of "cast any 8th-level spell". There's no phrasing you can do that'll help.
If you've got a DM that'll do basically what you mean, then you don't have to agonize over phrasing - first explain what you mean, then say a short phrase that represents it (e.g. "I wish to retain the benefits of lycanthropy without its drawbacks") and you'll do fine.
Use Lojban for all wishes.
Also remember, even if you have a DM that will basically do what you mean, OP characters get NPCed.
The English language is vague enough that there IS no way of phrasing a wish that it cannot be twisted to mean something other than what you intended, if the DM wants to. It's more of a question of whether the DM wants to.
If you've got an adversarial DM, stick to using "Wish" for its base ability of "cast any 8th-level spell". There's no phrasing you can do that'll help.
If you've got a DM that'll do basically what you mean, then you don't have to agonize over phrasing - first explain what you mean, then say a short phrase that represents it (e.g. "I wish to retain the benefits of lycanthropy without its drawbacks") and you'll do fine.
Yeah I briefly talked to him about and he's all about making wish hard to use. But he also kinda wants me to try and he's not going to just say "no" and make the wish go kuputs. Basically, if he sees that I've put effort and worked towards an end goal, he'll work with me. But by no means will he make it easy. He's really just about making it interesting.
The English language is vague enough that there IS no way of phrasing a wish that it cannot be twisted to mean something other than what you intended, if the DM wants to. It's more of a question of whether the DM wants to.
If you've got an adversarial DM, stick to using "Wish" for its base ability of "cast any 8th-level spell". There's no phrasing you can do that'll help.
If you've got a DM that'll do basically what you mean, then you don't have to agonize over phrasing - first explain what you mean, then say a short phrase that represents it (e.g. "I wish to retain the benefits of lycanthropy without its drawbacks") and you'll do fine.
Yeah I briefly talked to him about and he's all about making wish hard to use. But he also kinda wants me to try and he's not going to just say "no" and make the wish go kuputs. Basically, if he sees that I've put effort and worked towards an end goal, he'll work with me. But by no means will he make it easy. He's really just about making it interesting.
I like to hear this :) I think that's a very healthy attitude for a DM to have... the worst DMs are the ones who have a very specific idea for how the story should go and punish you severely for ever deviating from it. However, the second worse are the ones who just give the players whatever they want, make everything super easy and make the entire thing such a cake walk that it's hardly worth it to even bother rolling dice.
"I wish to gain full control over the Lycanthropic curse of the Wearboar afflicting me -- maintaining my identity and the ability to control my changes, even under the influence of the full moon".
"I wish to gain full control over the Lycanthropic curse of the Wearboar afflicting me -- maintaining my identity and the ability to control my changes, even under the influence of the full moon".
You need to be careful with "and"s in wishes. If you create a run on sentence, the wish may get cut short.
I think the difficulty is also stemming from the fact you are trying to do two things with one wish: one to make it not be a curse anymore and two to keep control of yourself. The latter seems more important.
And I would avoid subjective terms like "drawbacks" because some people may not consider losing control to be a drawback and might even like it. Since lycanthropy is technically a curse then one could say all if its effects are a drawback.
"I wish to never lose control of my mind when using my lycanthropic form."
Based on every interpretation of the English language I can currently think of (which may not be much, I'm a little unwell) this should result in you always keeping control of your mind while in a lycanthropic form.
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I think the difficulty is also stemming from the fact you are trying to do two things with one wish: one to make it not be a curse anymore and two to keep control of yourself. The latter seems more important.
And I would avoid subjective terms like "drawbacks" because some people may not consider losing control to be a drawback and might even like it. Since lycanthropy is technically a curse then one could say all if its effects are a drawback.
"I wish to never lose control of my mind when using my lycanthropic form."
Based on every interpretation of the English language I can currently think of (which may not be much, I'm a little unwell) this should result in you always keeping control of your mind while in a lycanthropic form.
"You lose control of your mind during the next full moon"
I think the difficulty is also stemming from the fact you are trying to do two things with one wish: one to make it not be a curse anymore and two to keep control of yourself. The latter seems more important.
And I would avoid subjective terms like "drawbacks" because some people may not consider losing control to be a drawback and might even like it. Since lycanthropy is technically a curse then one could say all if its effects are a drawback.
"I wish to never lose control of my mind when using my lycanthropic form."
Based on every interpretation of the English language I can currently think of (which may not be much, I'm a little unwell) this should result in you always keeping control of your mind while in a lycanthropic form.
"You lose control of your mind during the next full moon"
"But my wish?!"
"You are still in human form currently"
And as the kicker, once you lose your mind, you transform. The wish only prevents losing it, it doesn't bring it back.
I think the difficulty is also stemming from the fact you are trying to do two things with one wish: one to make it not be a curse anymore and two to keep control of yourself. The latter seems more important.
And I would avoid subjective terms like "drawbacks" because some people may not consider losing control to be a drawback and might even like it. Since lycanthropy is technically a curse then one could say all if its effects are a drawback.
"I wish to never lose control of my mind when using my lycanthropic form."
Based on every interpretation of the English language I can currently think of (which may not be much, I'm a little unwell) this should result in you always keeping control of your mind while in a lycanthropic form.
"You lose control of your mind during the next full moon"
"But my wish?!"
"You are still in human form currently"
OK, in my defense, I didn't fully read the lycanthropy thing and just going by original post. I can't help but mentally cringe-sigh whenever I come across it because it's very incorrectly named (should be therianthropy not lycanthopy).
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My character is a werebear. I obviously want to keep the perks of this condition without the drawbacks (losing control every full moon).
How would you word a wish spell for the best possible chances for that outcome?
Uh... how sadistic is your DM? Because if they're happy to let you get away with something for the sake of fun you don't have to worry too much, but if they're going to look for a way to keep you in line then you have to be very, very specific, to the point of maybe having to cite the exact specific conditions you want.
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Try to think of any possible way my DM could rework this statement to any other possible effect...
"I wish to be cured of lycanthropy but still retain all it's effects and characteristics besides that which happens as a result of a full moon"
Hmm... I feel like that first line "Cured of lycanthropy" has a lot of room for interpretation. I think perhaps something along the lines of "I wish to have full control of my Lycanthropic Changes even during the Full Moon". There's probably still some loopholes in that I'm not thinking of, but I think your DM would really have to go out of their way to interpret that any other way. Although it still might limit you to only transforming during the Full Moon, rather than being able to transform at will or anything like that.
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Yeah my whole intention of being "cured" from it while still having its effect was that they would be permanent traits of mine and the Remove Curse spell couldn't take it away because I wouldn't have a curse to begin with.
Oh, then I would word it as: "I wish that my Lycanthropy is no longer considered a curse, and to have full control of my Lycanthropic Changes even during the Full Moon
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"I wish that my Lycanthropy is no longer considered a curse, and to have full control of my Lycanthropic Changes even during the Full Moon"
Then my DM could say, "Ok, it's no longer a curse. It's a disease!"
I'm curious if WISH must be a singlely stated request. Because you could easy just list off a bunch of things like "I wish I was immortal and capable of casting every spell and immune to all damage and x, y, z... " That's why I'm hesitant to include "and" in the wish. At that point it's more than 1 wish.
That's a good point... it's really the control on Wish to keep it from being a completely broken spell. Honestly I think using Wish to control your Lycanthropy has too many opportunities for your DM to work around it. I think it would be better for you to work with your DM and find a workaround for it. I think it could lead to a very exciting adventure for your character to seek out a group of Lycans who have control over their curse, and they could train you to learning to control your curse as well. Also keep in mind... if your group is high enough level to have access to the Wish spell, lycanthropy isn't really that helpful of an ability. A decently powerful magic item could give you equivalent boosts in strength without the multitude of downsides.
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This is a futile question, IMO.
The English language is vague enough that there IS no way of phrasing a wish that it cannot be twisted to mean something other than what you intended, if the DM wants to. It's more of a question of whether the DM wants to.
If you've got an adversarial DM, stick to using "Wish" for its base ability of "cast any 8th-level spell". There's no phrasing you can do that'll help.
If you've got a DM that'll do basically what you mean, then you don't have to agonize over phrasing - first explain what you mean, then say a short phrase that represents it (e.g. "I wish to retain the benefits of lycanthropy without its drawbacks") and you'll do fine.
"You are now a normal bear but with the intelligence and class levels of your character." "Also, roll percentile to see if you can ever cast wish again."
Use Lojban for all wishes.
Also remember, even if you have a DM that will basically do what you mean, OP characters get NPCed.
Yeah I briefly talked to him about and he's all about making wish hard to use. But he also kinda wants me to try and he's not going to just say "no" and make the wish go kuputs. Basically, if he sees that I've put effort and worked towards an end goal, he'll work with me. But by no means will he make it easy. He's really just about making it interesting.
I like to hear this :) I think that's a very healthy attitude for a DM to have... the worst DMs are the ones who have a very specific idea for how the story should go and punish you severely for ever deviating from it. However, the second worse are the ones who just give the players whatever they want, make everything super easy and make the entire thing such a cake walk that it's hardly worth it to even bother rolling dice.
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"I wish to gain full control over the Lycanthropic curse of the Wearboar afflicting me -- maintaining my identity and the ability to control my changes, even under the influence of the full moon".
You need to be careful with "and"s in wishes. If you create a run on sentence, the wish may get cut short.
In this case I think "with" is better anyway.
Careful or you’re permanently in the lycanthropic form. Hopefully of the type you started with.
I think the difficulty is also stemming from the fact you are trying to do two things with one wish: one to make it not be a curse anymore and two to keep control of yourself. The latter seems more important.
And I would avoid subjective terms like "drawbacks" because some people may not consider losing control to be a drawback and might even like it. Since lycanthropy is technically a curse then one could say all if its effects are a drawback.
"I wish to never lose control of my mind when using my lycanthropic form."
Based on every interpretation of the English language I can currently think of (which may not be much, I'm a little unwell) this should result in you always keeping control of your mind while in a lycanthropic form.
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"You lose control of your mind during the next full moon"
"But my wish?!"
"You are still in human form currently"
And as the kicker, once you lose your mind, you transform. The wish only prevents losing it, it doesn't bring it back.
OK, in my defense, I didn't fully read the lycanthropy thing and just going by original post. I can't help but mentally cringe-sigh whenever I come across it because it's very incorrectly named (should be therianthropy not lycanthopy).
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