I am Remaining on my 5e Hill. I will not be buying any 1 D&D. I've been here for five and 2 halves editions. Scrap 1 D&D, it's not needed, you could produce content for 5e forever. I figure there's still 10 years of official content and 20 more with third party and homebrew and that's just what's available right now.
Well I have seen this company make bad decisions that was a slap to the face of much of its customer base. GenCon '07 they announced 4th ed and told a convention hall full of fans that they were unable to run good games and no DM was making fun games for their players. As someone who was there, that was an insult and then telling us that the only way to fix it was to buy the new rule set, which was not compatible with the last.
While they are trying to improve and get feedback this time, there are other ways they can garner more money and not close out the OGL for 3rd parties. The way of social media and the immediate blowup of any small thing is not helping, but I don't think this was a good idea from the start.
They say that it will all be backwards compatible with 5e and considering the amount of OGL stuff out there why bother asking about shutting it down? No matter what better changes come out of OneD&D, people will now only be looking for the monster in the shadows. Waiting for WotC to drop the other big announcement about how they are taking stuff away.
It will now just be a wait and see what happens until 2024 when they launch the full edition. Until then it will probably feel like an election season, one big mud-slinging contest until we have final results.
Seems like Wizards shoukd go the other direction, far from ending the OGL to encouraging it more, and allow paid access to third party content here on dndbeyond. For instance, I’m probably going to run “Pirates of the Aetherial Expanse” from Ghostfire Gaming at some point and I’m sure most of my players will want to use dndbeyond to make characters. Sure, we could “Homebrew” the third party stuff but I’d rather support the creators by paying for a dndbeyond expansion and save myself the trouble. Wizards would then take a cut of someone else’s creative work and all they have to do for it is manage a database they’re running anyway. Seems like a no-brainer.
The main problem I have with using DnD Beyond with homebrew is that the degree of integration is limited to the imagination of the software engineers who created the homebrew system--which is apparently less of an imagination than what I (and others) have when it comes to creating home brew.
TBH I buy more 3rd party content than I do official WOTC content. If you won't allow 6e to have an OGL people will stick with 5e and not bother with the new system
All that says is anything currently covered by OGL still will be doesn't say ANYTHING about future work also doesn't release the things that ARN'T OGL currently, like The Artificer which you can only put out things for on DMs Guild wich means any artificer things you make and want to be paid for WOTC gets half and then owns and can publish without crediting or compensating you for them
I think it's important to reiterate that no one at WotC has said they are getting rid of the OGL. They have made a statement that they will keep it. They can't provide details yet since 1DnD isn't even finished. They can't get rid of the OGL entirely. It will always work for 5e. 1DnD hasn't changed the game enough to make it stop applying to most things there either. And creators know that the OGL and SRD are enough to keep working with. Nothing WotC could change would prevent third party material from being produced.
I think it's important to reiterate that no one at WotC has said they are getting rid of the OGL. They have made a statement that they will keep it. They can't provide details yet since 1DnD isn't even finished.
Exactly. I don't see why people have decided that the Open Gaming License is going to be axed when Wizards of the Coast literally said they will keep supporting it. All we have at this point is a bunch of wild speculation.
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It seems kind of like adding a poll for "Would you adopt OneD&D if they endorsed stealing candy from babies?" when they haven't done anything to make us think they endorse that. Sure, we all have opinions on the hypothetical, but it seems a bit sensational to discuss it like it's a thing we are actively defending against.
the under-monetization of dnd seems to be other things that 3rd party content. Mainly They want a branding products that don't exist. video games, movies, ect books and supplements are only a fraction of that.
My concern is (big IF) they standardize class across pen and paper and the video games. as you transfer mediums features need to be designed as such. there "could" even be standardization across movies and the game (example owlbear druid). That is my bet where corporate interference "could" cause the most damage. taking third party content that helps build their brand probably isn't even worth their time.
It seems kind of like adding a poll for "Would you adopt OneD&D if they endorsed stealing candy from babies?" when they haven't done anything to make us think they endorse that. Sure, we all have opinions on the hypothetical, but it seems a bit sensational to discuss it like it's a thing we are actively defending against.
Agreed. All this poll shows is that false doomsday scenarios that almost certainly aren't going to happen would be disliked. No, I would not play 1DD if the designers decided to unleash a swarm of Tarrasques on the world. But also, why and how would they do that?
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My take on the OGL is basically the same as my take on One D&D: why do we need a change in the first place? Just because it's an anniversary? That's so artificial and unnecessary.
Seems like Wizards shoukd go the other direction, far from ending the OGL to encouraging it more, and allow paid access to third party content here on dndbeyond. For instance, I’m probably going to run “Pirates of the Aetherial Expanse” from Ghostfire Gaming at some point and I’m sure most of my players will want to use dndbeyond to make characters. Sure, we could “Homebrew” the third party stuff but I’d rather support the creators by paying for a dndbeyond expansion and save myself the trouble. Wizards would then take a cut of someone else’s creative work and all they have to do for it is manage a database they’re running anyway. Seems like a no-brainer.
The main problem I have with using DnD Beyond with homebrew is that the degree of integration is limited to the imagination of the software engineers who created the homebrew system--which is apparently less of an imagination than what I (and others) have when it comes to creating home brew.
Totally agree! Hopefully they can make it More customizable without breaking it! That would be one nice way to spend all this new loot they’re earning from the “monetization”
I feel like there’s some confusion about this situation for a lot of people who aren’t creating and monetizing third party content, and I’d like to add my two cents.
The issue isn’t *if* they will support 3rd part content, it’s more in the *how*. People aren’t just concerned that wiz will stop allowing 3PC because they legitimately can’t without self-immolating. Creators are concerned about how this “support” will be manipulated against the well-being and success of anyone but wiz and hasbro. A creator should always have the rights to their own creation, unless they willfully give/sell those rights knowingly. Can we all agree on that point? No one likes their stuff being taken right?
DM’s Guild is the only “official” avenue for 3PC right now, and it takes the majority of revenue from creators AND the full rights to any content published on the site. That sucks, and creators are facing a possibility of that being the only opportunity to publish content for a game they love and may be inspired to create for.
The OGL will always exist for 5e, like it has in different iterations for other editions. However, 1DnD is not and will not be 5th Edition. The specific wording on this was “The One D&D rules will be backwards compatible”, NOT that they are a part of 5e. This is a wholly different edition, and I would bet quite a lot that the 5e OGL will not have any bearing on 1DnD whatsoever.
I feel like a lot of people dismissing these concerns are looking at them in a broad-strokes reactionary way, rather than taking the time to actually hear the specifics of the issues at hand.
Yes, people jump to conclusions often - especially on the internet - but this isn’t some trash talking conspiracy by 3rd party creators. These are reasonable concerns backed by not-insignificant evidence; concerns that artists and creators face in every iteration of media, especially when a company wants to “increase monetization” of an IP.
I will not support wizards/hasbro or 1DnD if any action is taken that directly harms the DnD homebrew/3PC community.
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I feel like there’s some confusion about this situation for a lot of people who aren’t creating and monetizing third party content, and I’d like to add my two cents.
The issue isn’t *if* they will support 3rd part content, it’s more in the *how*. People aren’t just concerned that wiz will stop allowing 3PC because they legitimately can’t without self-immolating. Creators are concerned about how this “support” will be manipulated against the well-being and success of anyone but wiz and hasbro. A creator should always have the rights to their own creation, unless they willfully give/sell those rights knowingly. Can we all agree on that point? No one likes their stuff being taken right?
DM’s Guild is the only “official” avenue for 3PC right now, and it takes the majority of revenue from creators AND the full rights to any content published on the site. That sucks, and creators are facing a possibility of that being the only opportunity to publish content for a game they love and may be inspired to create for.
The OGL will always exist for 5e, like it has in different iterations for other editions. However, 1DnD is not and will not be 5th Edition. The specific wording on this was “The One D&D rules will be backwards compatible”, NOT that they are a part of 5e. This is a wholly different edition, and I would bet quite a lot that the 5e OGL will not have any bearing on 1DnD whatsoever.
I feel like a lot of people dismissing these concerns are looking at them in a broad-strokes reactionary way, rather than taking the time to actually hear the specifics of the issues at hand.
Yes, people jump to conclusions often - especially on the internet - but this isn’t some trash talking conspiracy by 3rd party creators. These are reasonable concerns backed by not-insignificant evidence; concerns that artists and creators face in every iteration of media, especially when a company wants to “increase monetization” of an IP.
I will not support wizards/hasbro or 1DnD if any action is taken that directly harms the DnD homebrew/3PC community.
End statement about how lots of ideas are better than one, innovation, etc.
You say that this isn't a third-party conspiracy theory, yet you bring up potential pay disputes that could have started all of this.
You're not helping anyone change their mind.
Legitimate concerns can and are used as a smokescreen. It's a matter of who.
I don;t want to think ill of any of the players in this, but WotC have a history of Hasbro-prescribed doublespeak after the buyout, & the revenue split between DMSGuild creators and the corporate powers has been unfair in the same way as Twitch's revenue split is.
While the odds are WotC aren't saying SOMETHING due to Hasbro stock value risk to shareholders, Indestructoboy and Griffon's Saddlebag have significant financial interests as to why they would want to start crap:To begin collective re-negotiation of the DMSguild revenue split in their favor via stock manipulation.
So it remains to be seen who is the problem player here.
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I feel like there’s some confusion about this situation for a lot of people who aren’t creating and monetizing third party content, and I’d like to add my two cents.
The issue isn’t *if* they will support 3rd part content, it’s more in the *how*. People aren’t just concerned that wiz will stop allowing 3PC because they legitimately can’t without self-immolating. Creators are concerned about how this “support” will be manipulated against the well-being and success of anyone but wiz and hasbro. A creator should always have the rights to their own creation, unless they willfully give/sell those rights knowingly. Can we all agree on that point? No one likes their stuff being taken right?
DM’s Guild is the only “official” avenue for 3PC right now, and it takes the majority of revenue from creators AND the full rights to any content published on the site. That sucks, and creators are facing a possibility of that being the only opportunity to publish content for a game they love and may be inspired to create for.
The OGL will always exist for 5e, like it has in different iterations for other editions. However, 1DnD is not and will not be 5th Edition. The specific wording on this was “The One D&D rules will be backwards compatible”, NOT that they are a part of 5e. This is a wholly different edition, and I would bet quite a lot that the 5e OGL will not have any bearing on 1DnD whatsoever.
I feel like a lot of people dismissing these concerns are looking at them in a broad-strokes reactionary way, rather than taking the time to actually hear the specifics of the issues at hand.
Yes, people jump to conclusions often - especially on the internet - but this isn’t some trash talking conspiracy by 3rd party creators. These are reasonable concerns backed by not-insignificant evidence; concerns that artists and creators face in every iteration of media, especially when a company wants to “increase monetization” of an IP.
I will not support wizards/hasbro or 1DnD if any action is taken that directly harms the DnD homebrew/3PC community.
End statement about how lots of ideas are better than one, innovation, etc.
What specifics should we be hearing? This thread is in response to a video, where a very unconvincing letter was read, that offered no actual evidence of anything. All the letter did was make a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, outline completely hypothetical scenarios so it could say how bad they are, and then finished by saying WotC thought creators were leeches and the greedy company wanted all their money. It also made the false assertion that WotC wanting to monetize the brand was somehow the same thing as going after the 3rd party creators. There was nothing in the letter but self agrandizement and fear mongering.
You're saying the only official way to sell 3rd party content is DMsGuild, then say how it would be bad if that was the same in the future. No one is stealing anyone's creative work. If you want to sell your stuff to a wide audience, with the prestige of being backed by DnD in some semi official way, they have to have control over it. If they didn't, they'd be asking for legal trouble. If 1DnD had a new feature that looked anything like someone's homebrew, and they didn't own the rights to it, they'd be in court over and over. But no one forces anyone to sell on DMsGuild.
The one thing this letter and video definitely did was create some mild hysteria. So if that was the intent, it succeeded. Half the people posting in these threads have fewer than 10 posts ever on these forums. So it's definitely stirred up something. People came out of the woodwork because they had such a strong reaction to what was essentially a statement of 'but what if they did something bad I just made up.'
I have no illusions over how the corporate world operates. I know its gross. I work in it. That also means I understand some of it enough not to panic over nothing. But I'm never going to give WotC a free pass.
What I will do is expect at least something resembling evidence before panicking people. If anyone has that, I'd love to hear it. Until then I'm going to keep reminding people of the facts that we do have.
I think it's important to reiterate that no one at WotC has said they are getting rid of the OGL. They have made a statement that they will keep it. They can't provide details yet since 1DnD isn't even finished.
Exactly. I don't see why people have decided that the Open Gaming License is going to be axed when Wizards of the Coast literally said they will keep supporting it. All we have at this point is a bunch of wild speculation.
And, to reiterate, it's legally impossible to get rid of the Open Game License.
It seems kind of like adding a poll for "Would you adopt OneD&D if they endorsed stealing candy from babies?" when they haven't done anything to make us think they endorse that. Sure, we all have opinions on the hypothetical, but it seems a bit sensational to discuss it like it's a thing we are actively defending against.
The poll's question is even dumber than that. It doesn't understand the difference between an SRD or OGL or the fact that neither of them can be revoked. It's more like asking "would you support OneD&D if it made all of your friends spontaneously combust?" The answer is obviously "no", and asking the question seriously shows a misunderstanding of what those things actually are.
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I am Remaining on my 5e Hill. I will not be buying any 1 D&D. I've been here for five and 2 halves editions. Scrap 1 D&D, it's not needed, you could produce content for 5e forever. I figure there's still 10 years of official content and 20 more with third party and homebrew and that's just what's available right now.
Well I have seen this company make bad decisions that was a slap to the face of much of its customer base. GenCon '07 they announced 4th ed and told a convention hall full of fans that they were unable to run good games and no DM was making fun games for their players.
As someone who was there, that was an insult and then telling us that the only way to fix it was to buy the new rule set, which was not compatible with the last.
While they are trying to improve and get feedback this time, there are other ways they can garner more money and not close out the OGL for 3rd parties. The way of social media and the immediate blowup of any small thing is not helping, but I don't think this was a good idea from the start.
They say that it will all be backwards compatible with 5e and considering the amount of OGL stuff out there why bother asking about shutting it down? No matter what better changes come out of OneD&D, people will now only be looking for the monster in the shadows. Waiting for WotC to drop the other big announcement about how they are taking stuff away.
It will now just be a wait and see what happens until 2024 when they launch the full edition. Until then it will probably feel like an election season, one big mud-slinging contest until we have final results.
The main problem I have with using DnD Beyond with homebrew is that the degree of integration is limited to the imagination of the software engineers who created the homebrew system--which is apparently less of an imagination than what I (and others) have when it comes to creating home brew.
~not a "lazy dungeon master"
TBH I buy more 3rd party content than I do official WOTC content. If you won't allow 6e to have an OGL people will stick with 5e and not bother with the new system
I retweeted the link for this poll to Ted (Nerd Immersion)
All that says is anything currently covered by OGL still will be doesn't say ANYTHING about future work also doesn't release the things that ARN'T OGL currently, like The Artificer which you can only put out things for on DMs Guild wich means any artificer things you make and want to be paid for WOTC gets half and then owns and can publish without crediting or compensating you for them
I think it's important to reiterate that no one at WotC has said they are getting rid of the OGL. They have made a statement that they will keep it. They can't provide details yet since 1DnD isn't even finished. They can't get rid of the OGL entirely. It will always work for 5e. 1DnD hasn't changed the game enough to make it stop applying to most things there either. And creators know that the OGL and SRD are enough to keep working with. Nothing WotC could change would prevent third party material from being produced.
Exactly. I don't see why people have decided that the Open Gaming License is going to be axed when Wizards of the Coast literally said they will keep supporting it. All we have at this point is a bunch of wild speculation.
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HERE.It seems kind of like adding a poll for "Would you adopt OneD&D if they endorsed stealing candy from babies?" when they haven't done anything to make us think they endorse that. Sure, we all have opinions on the hypothetical, but it seems a bit sensational to discuss it like it's a thing we are actively defending against.
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the under-monetization of dnd seems to be other things that 3rd party content. Mainly They want a branding products that don't exist. video games, movies, ect books and supplements are only a fraction of that.
My concern is (big IF) they standardize class across pen and paper and the video games. as you transfer mediums features need to be designed as such. there "could" even be standardization across movies and the game (example owlbear druid). That is my bet where corporate interference "could" cause the most damage. taking third party content that helps build their brand probably isn't even worth their time.
Agreed. All this poll shows is that false doomsday scenarios that almost certainly aren't going to happen would be disliked. No, I would not play 1DD if the designers decided to unleash a swarm of Tarrasques on the world. But also, why and how would they do that?
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HERE.My take on the OGL is basically the same as my take on One D&D: why do we need a change in the first place? Just because it's an anniversary? That's so artificial and unnecessary.
Totally agree! Hopefully they can make it More customizable without breaking it! That would be one nice way to spend all this new loot they’re earning from the “monetization”
If WOTC does this they're shooting themselves in the foot as badly as twitter just did.
I would never use a system that blockades and hurts the creators that made the game what it is today.
I'd either stick with 5e or go to Pathfinder and/or other systems.
WoTC would have to be incredibly small minded to block 3rd party content, just look at the downfall of 4e.
I trust that WoTC will make the smart decision :)
Imagine if Critical Role had stayed a Pathfinder game.
I feel like there’s some confusion about this situation for a lot of people who aren’t creating and monetizing third party content, and I’d like to add my two cents.
The issue isn’t *if* they will support 3rd part content, it’s more in the *how*. People aren’t just concerned that wiz will stop allowing 3PC because they legitimately can’t without self-immolating. Creators are concerned about how this “support” will be manipulated against the well-being and success of anyone but wiz and hasbro.
A creator should always have the rights to their own creation, unless they willfully give/sell those rights knowingly. Can we all agree on that point? No one likes their stuff being taken right?
DM’s Guild is the only “official” avenue for 3PC right now, and it takes the majority of revenue from creators AND the full rights to any content published on the site. That sucks, and creators are facing a possibility of that being the only opportunity to publish content for a game they love and may be inspired to create for.
The OGL will always exist for 5e, like it has in different iterations for other editions. However, 1DnD is not and will not be 5th Edition. The specific wording on this was “The One D&D rules will be backwards compatible”, NOT that they are a part of 5e. This is a wholly different edition, and I would bet quite a lot that the 5e OGL will not have any bearing on 1DnD whatsoever.
I feel like a lot of people dismissing these concerns are looking at them in a broad-strokes reactionary way, rather than taking the time to actually hear the specifics of the issues at hand.
Yes, people jump to conclusions often - especially on the internet - but this isn’t some trash talking conspiracy by 3rd party creators. These are reasonable concerns backed by not-insignificant evidence; concerns that artists and creators face in every iteration of media, especially when a company wants to “increase monetization” of an IP.
I will not support wizards/hasbro or 1DnD if any action is taken that directly harms the DnD homebrew/3PC community.
End statement about how lots of ideas are better than one, innovation, etc.
You say that this isn't a third-party conspiracy theory, yet you bring up potential pay disputes that could have started all of this.
You're not helping anyone change their mind.
Legitimate concerns can and are used as a smokescreen. It's a matter of who.
I don;t want to think ill of any of the players in this, but WotC have a history of Hasbro-prescribed doublespeak after the buyout, & the revenue split between DMSGuild creators and the corporate powers has been unfair in the same way as Twitch's revenue split is.
While the odds are WotC aren't saying SOMETHING due to Hasbro stock value risk to shareholders, Indestructoboy and Griffon's Saddlebag have significant financial interests as to why they would want to start crap:To begin collective re-negotiation of the DMSguild revenue split in their favor via stock manipulation.
So it remains to be seen who is the problem player here.
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What specifics should we be hearing? This thread is in response to a video, where a very unconvincing letter was read, that offered no actual evidence of anything. All the letter did was make a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, outline completely hypothetical scenarios so it could say how bad they are, and then finished by saying WotC thought creators were leeches and the greedy company wanted all their money. It also made the false assertion that WotC wanting to monetize the brand was somehow the same thing as going after the 3rd party creators. There was nothing in the letter but self agrandizement and fear mongering.
You're saying the only official way to sell 3rd party content is DMsGuild, then say how it would be bad if that was the same in the future. No one is stealing anyone's creative work. If you want to sell your stuff to a wide audience, with the prestige of being backed by DnD in some semi official way, they have to have control over it. If they didn't, they'd be asking for legal trouble. If 1DnD had a new feature that looked anything like someone's homebrew, and they didn't own the rights to it, they'd be in court over and over. But no one forces anyone to sell on DMsGuild.
The one thing this letter and video definitely did was create some mild hysteria. So if that was the intent, it succeeded. Half the people posting in these threads have fewer than 10 posts ever on these forums. So it's definitely stirred up something. People came out of the woodwork because they had such a strong reaction to what was essentially a statement of 'but what if they did something bad I just made up.'
I have no illusions over how the corporate world operates. I know its gross. I work in it. That also means I understand some of it enough not to panic over nothing. But I'm never going to give WotC a free pass.
What I will do is expect at least something resembling evidence before panicking people. If anyone has that, I'd love to hear it. Until then I'm going to keep reminding people of the facts that we do have.
And, to reiterate, it's legally impossible to get rid of the Open Game License.
The poll's question is even dumber than that. It doesn't understand the difference between an SRD or OGL or the fact that neither of them can be revoked. It's more like asking "would you support OneD&D if it made all of your friends spontaneously combust?" The answer is obviously "no", and asking the question seriously shows a misunderstanding of what those things actually are.
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